Who should write B25 (aka who should replace Purvis and Wade)?

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  • Posts: 11,425
    It's actually quite funny how the lot of you are complaining about something done expertly in SP that was done horribly in SF and at the same time find every lame excuse you can to defend SF. Very entertaining indeed.

    Totally agree. SF is absurdly overrated around here and SP is absurdly slammed.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Yesterday I watched the LeChiffre torturing Bond scene, and then all of QoS. The new script has to give back Craig Bond's teeth. Put huge and uncomfortable obstacles in front of the character, let the actor shine.

    Don't try and "re-make" what's come before. Craig doesn't have to be Moore-Brosnan "charming"; he has his own, dry style that is plenty evident in his first two films. True laugh out loud moments.

    He also has a child-like mischievousness about him in CR and QoS.

    And, as a side note re: post production: Bring Arnold back. Listening to his last two soundtracks, and he knocks it out of the park.

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    Totally agree. They had something great going with CR and QoS.

    I feel like we have a different, blander character in SF and SP. And yes, the distinctive uber dry wit is gone.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Craig is the only Bond actor that was forced to play four totally different James Bond characters. That alone makes his tenure the weakest of them all.
    There is no other era that has been that uneven. Not even close.

    Still CR QOS and SP are proof that even in such a troubled era there can be something good to be found in each film.

    And with Casino Royale, who actually has saved Craig's era single-handedly, he has one of the five great classics in the series (imho: GF-OHMSS-TSWLM-GE-CR).
    Arguably you could count DN and FRWL to it as they introduced Bond in the best possible way.

    The rest and that includes films that were highly successful doesn't compare at all if you just look at eternal classic standard.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Sorry guys but SF will be up there despite your view of the film.

    Whereas SPECTRE won't, QOS was troubled but then it didn't take an aspect of the series and boil it down to a childhood spat and how you excuse the lazy ret con of tying the films together is beyond me and Brosnan had a much worse era.

    Also I see the same Bond in CR, QOS and SF, it's SP where he becomes different, Craig played 4 different Bonds??? What more rubbish are you going to come with next?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Not sure yet, but I'm certain something will come to mind that will sound like rubbish to you.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    Also I see the same Bond in CR, QOS and SF, it's SP where he becomes different, Craig played 4 different Bonds???
    Agreed. Same chap in the first three (altough a bit more weathered in the third). A completely different character in the fourth, despite what I've heard from some here. Again, took me right out of it and I thought he was playing an amalgam caricature (reminded me of what I didn't like about much of Brosnan's tenure) rather than being his own man.
    peter wrote: »
    The new script has to give back Craig Bond's teeth. Put huge and uncomfortable obstacles in front of the character, let the actor shine.

    Don't try and "re-make" what's come before. Craig doesn't have to be Moore-Brosnan "charming"; he has his own, dry style that is plenty evident in his first two films. True laugh out loud moments.
    Agreed completely, but I could do without Arnold. I don't rate him as highly as some here, and truly want a new sound for Bond from a new composer. There are several gifted potentials out there.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @bondjames, listening to the soundtracks of CR and QoS today, they seem so full of life compared to Newman's (who I actually don't dislike); he seems to get the character, plus, in CR he couldn't just fall back on the Bond theme (as he did in TND), and had to create new music to fit a new Bond...

    This also continued with the much more masculine sounds in QoS...

    And, if I'm not mistaken, the man himself, Barry, pointed EoN onto Arnold... That says a lot.

  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Getafix wrote: »
    It's actually quite funny how the lot of you are complaining about something done expertly in SP that was done horribly in SF and at the same time find every lame excuse you can to defend SF. Very entertaining indeed.

    Totally agree. SF is absurdly overrated around here and SP is absurdly slammed.
    That's your opinion. SF is a better executed film with witty dialogue and impressive but grounded action. SP is weak on both fronts.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2017 Posts: 23,883
    @peter, I don't disagree re: Arnold's work on CR & QoS. They really are very good scores, and elevate the respective films. I just feel like he's had his five and it's time for someone else to take the baton and run with it.

    No matter how much better Arnold was in those last two though, I don't think he's remotely comparable to Barry (who was definitive, especially in terms of crafting memorable and beautiful melodies), and so five is more than enough for me, particularly when two of those were substandard imho (TWINE/DAD).

    Over the past 20 years we've only had Arnold and Newman. I think viewers could be surprised by what another talented composer could bring to the table. We'll never know unless we try!
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @bondjames, I have always believed that Barry knew the character of 007 better than anyone else, so you will have no disagreement from me that Arnold isn't comparable to Barry;

    I was just saying that Barry saw something in Arnold to recommend him to EoN... And I think with almost a decade off of Bond duties, Arnold could bring something very fresh to his music....
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2017 Posts: 23,883
    @peter, again I don't disagree. I'm not averse to him returning and don't think he'd mess it up if asked back, but still think Bond deserves better. Howard Shore, Ramin Djawadi & Alexandre Desplat to name a few could wipe the floor with Arnold, and that's just the famous guys. There are others who are not as well known who could also bring a very fresh and holistic sound to our favourite spy franchise.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Or there's the risk of having another Newman type fiasco which is something I dread.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited April 2017 Posts: 23,883
    There's no gain without risk. As I've said before, I've enjoyed all first time composer's efforts on Bond (including Newman on SF and Arnold on TND, albeit less so) and so for me the risk is relying on an old hand.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    As long as the score is memorable then I don't care. There's only three composers who've scored for the series that I don't like. I just want more good music and no more bland forgettable scores. I've had enough.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    peter wrote: »

    And, if I'm not mistaken, the man himself, Barry, pointed EoN onto Arnold... That says a lot.

    He did the same for Conti.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @Thunderfinger : really??? Didn't know that... maybe he was angry at the producers, lol
  • Posts: 11,425
    peter wrote: »
    @bondjames, I have always believed that Barry knew the character of 007 better than anyone else, so you will have no disagreement from me that Arnold isn't comparable to Barry;

    I was just saying that Barry saw something in Arnold to recommend him to EoN... And I think with almost a decade off of Bond duties, Arnold could bring something very fresh to his music....
    peter wrote: »
    @bondjames, I have always believed that Barry knew the character of 007 better than anyone else, so you will have no disagreement from me that Arnold isn't comparable to Barry;

    I was just saying that Barry saw something in Arnold to recommend him to EoN... And I think with almost a decade off of Bond duties, Arnold could bring something very fresh to his music....

    I have a feeling Barry liked the way Arnold remixed the Bond songs for Shaken and Stirred
  • Posts: 11,425
    Well P & W still got their dirty mits on B25 but seems like CJF, PWB and that other guy probably gave it a thorough going over so hopefully its okay.
  • Agent_47Agent_47 Canada
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    Keep Purvis and Wade, bring back Bruce Feirstein. Problem solved.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Yikes
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I'm all for a switch away from P&W...but I'll play the devil's advocate here for a moment.

    P&W know how to move the process with Eon along, as they did with B25. If they are involved, we are likely to see B26 sooner rather than later. And P&W apparently advocate for Fleming, even in bizarre ways like the DAD script. Possible spoiler:
    Bond visiting Vesper's grave in B25 is straight out of OHMSS.

    A new writer who isn't as familiar with Broccoli and Wilson's method might not, so we could have more false starts without P&W. Look at Hodge/Boyle and how that slowed the release of B25 down.

    The producers need to trust Fleming for B26, whoever the writers turn out to be.
  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
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    Armando Iannucci and Steven Knight.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Christopher Nolan. :)
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    David Koepp. Chris Terrio. Michael Arndt. Lawrence Kasdan. Brad Bird.
  • OctopussyOctopussy Piz Gloria, Schilthorn, Switzerland.
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    Christopher Nolan. :)

    +1
  • Agent_47Agent_47 Canada
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Yikes

    For you, not for me.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Armando Iannucci and Steven Knight.

    Interesting
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