Is Pierce Brosnan really all that bad ??

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  • I don't think he was that bad at all,but i'm in the minority.
    I think he was alright too. He was just given two very bad scripts. And his love for all things Bond, stopped him from saying anything in a way SC would have.

    Look how upset he is in this interview:



    Luds loves him as well, so we're not all alone.

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Before GE, he had done nothing remarkable or memorable on the big screen!!

    ungrateful, treacherous bastard!!
    My logic may not be as deep as yours but explain to me, for I'm dying to know, how Brosnan is to be considered ungrateful and treacherous simply because of his career prior to Bond, being apparently not up to your supreme standards?

    Maybe you should consider the fact that Brosnan had lost his wife in the early 80s and was all alone taking care of his children. Maybe you should learn to appreciate that Brosnan has a well developed paternal instinct: family comes first. He'll drop any acting job in a heartbeat if issues concerning his family arise. Furthermore, it's not like he could just walk over to a producer and say: "you gotta give me this gig that makes me a superstar because otherwise my future Bond fans will think of me as treacherous and ungrateful man!"

    Pretty indecent to call him a bastard based on all that, j7.



  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @DoubleOhhSeven, yeah, that's why. I'm in my early 20's and I grew up with him. But, I'm still young, and I've equally loved all the other Bond's, so time may change my views on who is the best.

    @j7wild, I don't know if you capitalized 'Google' to make it stand out, or you were making me out to be lazy, but it was about 2 AM where I'm at when I typed that. I was doing no research, just getting on here for updates and heading to bed.
  • BennyBenny spammer bannerModerator
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    Pierce was a great Bond for the generation of Bond fans he created. There are those who tolerated his films, those who enjoyed, and those who loathed.
    I confess to enjoying the Brosnan era, and apart from DAD (which I don't blame on Pierce) find his films entertaining. If I put all the actors who have played Bond together I'd rank him joint last as far as my prefered actor in the role. But then I still think Sir Rog was a great Bond, and there are those who don't agree with me on that one.
    To answer the question, no Pierce Brosnan wasn't that bad as James Bond.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited August 2011 Posts: 13,251
    Yes, Brosnan was bad. Just one mark of this is the fact that everyother character in the films seem more interesting to follow than Bond. Brosnan just can't "carry" a film and then there's the Irish-American he's got. That really doesn't help. Everyone including the cat's mother may have wanted him as Bond in the 80's but that should have been the sure sign to stay away.
  • j7wildj7wild Suspended
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    Before GE, he had done nothing remarkable or memorable on the big screen!!

    ungrateful, treacherous bastard!!
    My logic may not be as deep as yours but explain to me, for I'm dying to know, how Brosnan is to be considered ungrateful and treacherous simply because of his career prior to Bond, being apparently not up to your supreme standards?

    Maybe you should consider the fact that Brosnan had lost his wife in the early 80s and was all alone taking care of his children. Maybe you should learn to appreciate that Brosnan has a well developed paternal instinct: family comes first. He'll drop any acting job in a heartbeat if issues concerning his family arise. Furthermore, it's not like he could just walk over to a producer and say: "you gotta give me this gig that makes me a superstar because otherwise my future Bond fans will think of me as treacherous and ungrateful man!"

    Pretty indecent to call him a bastard based on all that, j7.




    did you look at his resume before Bond: nothing but Crappy movies and his resume after DAD is not any better

    if he didn't make the Bond film, he would still be pretty much unknown and getting even less high profile roles than he is now

    ever heard the saying: "don't bite the hand that feeds you?"

    that's what Brosnan did when he dissed EON about losing the role which he caused himself to lose it
  • Yes, Brosnan was bad. Just one mark of this is the fact that everyother character in the films seem more interesting to follow than Bond. Brosnan just can't "carry" a film and then there's the Irish-American he's got. That really doesn't help. Everyone including the cat's mother may have wanted him as Bond in the 80's but that should have been the sure sign to stay away.
    Of course he did, he made a whole generation love Bond again. Give him is due. TWINE was a good, GE was good, the first half of DAD was cracking.

    Accents - really? SC, didn't fleming write a back history to cover off his accent. GL didn't use his voice in half the movie. TD - northern 'Shut that bloody thing off'.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited August 2011 Posts: 13,251
    Yes, Brosnan was bad. Just one mark of this is the fact that everyother character in the films seem more interesting to follow than Bond. Brosnan just can't "carry" a film and then there's the Irish-American he's got. That really doesn't help. Everyone including the cat's mother may have wanted him as Bond in the 80's but that should have been the sure sign to stay away.
    Of course he did, he made a whole generation love Bond again. Give him is due. TWINE was a good, GE was good, the first half of DAD was cracking.

    Accents - really? SC, didn't fleming write a back history to cover off his accent. GL didn't use his voice in half the movie. TD - northern 'Shut that bloody thing off'.
    I think it was to more to do with Bond being back after 6 years than anything else. Brosnan was in the right place at the right time.

    Brosnan's accent is by far the worst as it's so often changing from one thing to another and is therefore the most noticeable in my opinion.
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    Brozza certainly does have an occasional American twang to his voice. That comes from moving between Ireland, London and America. I never thought it was that bad - at least in Bond. Lazenby's complete voice change for 30 minutes of Majesty's was more noticible to me.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    did you look at his resume before Bond: nothing but Crappy movies and his resume after DAD is not any better

    if he didn't make the Bond film, he would still be pretty much unknown and getting even less high profile roles than he is now

    ever heard the saying: "don't bite the hand that feeds you?"

    that's what Brosnan did when he dissed EON about losing the role which he caused himself to lose it
    Actually, Brosnan's doing rather well these days. The Ghost Writer, for example, showed us a good Pierce Brosnan.

    Still, you think Brosnan is treacherous and ungrateful because he left the role? I take it Timothy Dalton is treacherous and ungrateful too then because he left the part in the early 90s? And how about Lazenby? Or better still, how about Connery, who left after YOLT and then again after DAF, even with a huge paycheck in his pocket? Or how about Moore, who spent the last three films negotiating vigorously about money before signing on. I suppose they're all ungrateful, treacherous dudes in the end then.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited August 2011 Posts: 33,411
    Brosnan has done and still continues to do excellent films, during his years of Bond and after: The Thomas Crown Affair, The Tailor of Panama, Dante's Peak, Evelyn, After The Sunset, Seraphim Falls, Married Life, The Ghost Writer, Remember Me, and his upcoming films like Salvation Boulevard look great and others like St. Vincent and The House Gun sound great.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2011 Posts: 15,534
    'Remember Me' is the most amazing performance of Brosnan's career. He has about 5 minutes of screentime in a 2 hour film, yet he totally outshined the 2 main characters. For a romantic film, it is not good when a secondary character totally outshined the main 2 characters... When Pattinson goes to throw a tantrum in Brosnan's office, it really looked like Brosnan was going to destroy him... And in the restaurant - Pattison looked out-of-place in the fancy place, where Brosnan just looked magistral.
  • j7wildj7wild Suspended
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    Still, you think Brosnan is treacherous and ungrateful because he left the role? I take it Timothy Dalton is treacherous and ungrateful too then because he left the part in the early 90s? And how about Lazenby? Or better still, how about Connery, who left after YOLT and then again after DAF, even with a huge paycheck in his pocket? Or how about Moore, who spent the last three films negotiating vigorously about money before signing on. I suppose they're all ungrateful, treacherous dudes in the end then.

    the difference between Brosnan and Moore and Connery and Dalton is Moore and Connery and Dalton didn't bad mouth EON and the Bond Films producers and the Bond films;

    that's what makes Brosnan ungrateful!!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I think we'd be surprised at the level of contempt that boils inside Connery. ;;)
  • edited August 2011 Posts: 11,169
    I have a feeling that, out of all the actors, Connery is the biggest b*****d of the lot. Probably worse than Pierce in some respects.

    He freely admits that a large part of why he did DAF was the money. He didn't show up at Cubby's memorial in 1996 - Pierce, Rog and Tim all did. I don't think he went to Desmond's memorial service either and I'm not holding up much hope of him doing a 50th anniversary appearance (even a brief one in the form of a recorded message). He probably only agrees to talk about Bond when someone dangles a big fat cheque infront of him.

    I remember reading a quote on here that he described CR as "good but the music was s**t". Classy!
  • LudsLuds Moderator, Director
    edited August 2011 Posts: 1,973
    I think we'd be surprised at the level of contempt that boils inside Connery. ;;)
    Connery has an epic grudge with Cubby that was sadly never resolved.

    The difference here is that we don't really know and understand the issues that caused Connery and Cubby's initial argument.

    Whereas Brosnan rode this F--- Bond and EON wave after being fired for months before stopping, a clear publicity ploy to make him the victim

    http://www.culture.com/news/item/7652/brosnan-tells-bond-producers-f-you.phtml
  • edited August 2011 Posts: 11,169
    IF Brosnan said those exact words then yeah, thats bad. I'm not entirely certain whether I'm going to take everything that comes out of The Mirror (it's a bit of a hack red top paper here) or Playboy as gospol though.
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    Bad scripts that tended to make him play closer to Moore than Connery.
  • edited August 2011 Posts: 1,778
    I think we'd be surprised at the level of contempt that boils inside Connery. ;;)
    Connery has an epic grudge with Cubby that was sadly never resolved.

    The difference here is that we don't really know and understand the issues that caused Connery and Cubby's initial argument.

    Whereas Brosnan rode this F--- Bond and EON wave after being fired for months before stopping, a clear publicity ploy to make him the victim

    http://www.culture.com/news/item/7652/brosnan-tells-bond-producers-f-you.phtml
    Connery claims that Cubby didn't pay him the full amount promised for DAF. That might be it.

    And yeah Brosnan doesn't have half the class of Moore, Dalton, or even Craig. He was bitter because he didn't get what he wanted but in fact he did get what he wanted. He got to play James Bond not once but four times. And the results were nothing to write home about. I guess that his massive ego simply couldn't handle the fact that after being hyped for the role for 10 years, when he actually got the part his performances and his films were mediocre at the very best. He didn't live up to all the hype and expectations. And believe me a fifth film wasn't going to change that. Brosnan's Bond 21 would have been tired and uninspired just like the rest of his films.
  • I don't think that Brosnan was bad. The problem was that he wasn't *great*.

    As we are huge Bond fans we expect a lot from the films, the series, and especially the actors. While I don't rate Roger Moore's portrayal of Bond at all I certainly accept that he's very good at playing the character that he does. Others may feel the same way about Craig. Hell, even Lazenby has some *really* good acting moments inbetween all the mayhem and fisticuffs. But then there's Brosnan.

    I should start by saying that I do like Brosnan and I'm tremendously grateful for the impact he had on the Bond franchise and how he helped to make the Bond series so hugely popular again. He's good-looking and charismatic and he certainly has screen presence. But his performances weren't great. Oh, they were certainly adequate but don't Bond fans deserve better?

    Maybe it's his thin, reedy voice that takes away from appearing commanding or imposing. Maybe it's the way that he seems to be trying too hard during the "acting" scenes. Maybe it's the way he would always say a line in the most obvious way possible. Maybe it's the way that he seems smug, but not in an I've-earned-that-attitude kind of way. As charming as he is he just isn't the strongest actor. But I do like watching him as Bond.

    I don't agree that he could have been as good as any of the other Bond actors if he had only been given the chance. He had plenty of chances, and other Bond actors have made incredible impacts with some fairly standard scenes. But he's part of the canon and I for one celebrate him.
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    I really liked Brosnan. He was great in GE, and had his moments from TND-DAD, I liked his portrayal, but his scripts and casts simply weren't up to par. His era could've been far better than it turned out. GE was the perfect OTT Bond movie, but they kept trying to make it more OTT with more cheesy one-liners, gadgets, etc.
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    I think we'd be surprised at the level of contempt that boils inside Connery. ;;)
    Connery has an epic grudge with Cubby that was sadly never resolved.

    The difference here is that we don't really know and understand the issues that caused Connery and Cubby's initial argument.

    Whereas Brosnan rode this F--- Bond and EON wave after being fired for months before stopping, a clear publicity ploy to make him the victim

    http://www.culture.com/news/item/7652/brosnan-tells-bond-producers-f-



    you.phtml

    Ahhh yes, Playboy Magazine, that highly regarded tomb of literate fantasy.
    Please....
    You`re disslike of Brosnan is pathalogical, and unbalanced. You should take it easy.

    As for Brosnan being a "Bastard" due to not doing roles someone here doesn`t respect?
    Wow, think my time here is limeted.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    Props to Peter Travers. He is a man unafraid to ask ANY questions. He just pushed it at Brosnan, edging his way slowly. But damn, Brosnan got burned. I am sure he spent the entire night before the interview muttering in his sleep: "No James Bond questions...No James Bond questions... It was inevitable though. The character is an icon, and only a select alma mater of men have had the opportunity to play Bond. I do feel for Brosnan though. But he must have seen it was going down the can after TWINE. Or was he so blinded with joy at getting the chance to play Bond that he never thought it would end and he just wanted to enjoy every moment of the experience? I don't know. Travers went hard for it and Brosnan had to submit. He did look quite saddened. I wonder if he breaks down everytime he hears people's positive feedback about Craig. Oh no! Creative juices are flowing! Here's how things could have happened in 2006 for Brosnan:


    Brosnan is roaming around and happens to pass by an unknowing couple. From a few feet away he takes in the conversation: "Hey, did you see the new Bond film this weekend?"
    "What? Casino Royale?"
    "Yeah."
    "No I haven't. Is it any good?"
    "Any good! Why it's one of the best of the series! Craig is amazing, much better than that guy from the show Rermington Stehle, or something like that. It doesn't matter."

    Brosnan looks to the man at afar and coughs *It was Remington Steele you ass*

    Instead of eating out Brosnan goes on a mission to get drunk at a nearby pub. To his dismay Taffin is playing on the small TV near the bar. Brosnan reluctantly takes a seat on a bar stool just feet from the TV. He is inflamed at the comment he heard outside moments before and starts to order the bartender around with a lack of respect.
    "Get off your ass and get me another scotch!" Brosnan yells.
    The bartender gets the scotch and without a thought pours the contents onto Brosnan. Brosnan erupts. "What kind of service is this you imbecile!" Brosnan continues on.
    The bartender puts down the empty scotch flask and stares him straight in the eye:"What goes on in this bar is none of your business!"
    Brosnan retorts:"As long as I'm drinking here it is!"
    The bartender finishes him off:"THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE DRINKING HERE!!!!"

    Brosnan storms out into the street amid laughs and chatter at the ironicy of the moment, and walks away awkwardly fighting the tears back to his home. Before long he ends up with a cold beer on the sofa, and thinks it is safe to flick through the channels. He gets news on the new Bond film's earnings, and flicks away angrily. Craig is voted sexiest man alive on another channel, he flicks away. He sees a sweepstakes for BE LIKE BOND, and clicks away further. They show a double feature of TWINE and DAD on yet another channel, and Brosnan smashes the TV with a fling of the remote and curls into the fetal position. He is thumb sucking awkwardly until his wife enters, turns on the house lights and startles him. He rises off the floor and tries to downplay his emotions.
    "How are you darling?" he asks. "I was hoping you'd like to go out and eat. I made reservations earlier. I can call and reschedule."
    "Actually", she starts, looking coy, "We haven't been to the cinema lately and there's this critically acclaimed film showing. You may know it. Casino Royale?"
    Without a word Brosnan storms out the door and goes to the restaurant himself, cursing his wife and wiping away oncoming tears. He enters the restaurant he made previous reservations at but takes a new table far in the back. He has managed to get by the entire meal without mishap, until the third course ends and he recieves an offer for one last drink from his hospitable waiter. He gazes at the menu only to find cheap wine, and one last drink. With hesitation he says it. "I'll just have a very dry vodka martini and then I want my check please."
    "That'll be fine sir, but what'll it be? Shaken or stirred?"
    Brosnan's head implodes and he flips the table on its side. He shouts across the eatery: "HOW DID I KNOW THAT WAS COMING DAMNITT!" He grabs a chair and hurls it at the waiter, who backs away. "I CAN'T STAND THIS PLACE!" he continues to yell.
    The waiter mocks him like the bartender before him:"THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE EATING HERE!"
    He precedes to storm out again and stumbles into the parking lot. As he is about to enter his car he sees a beautiful Aston pull up beside him. Out steps Daniel Craig himself. Out of the passenger's side Sean Connery. Dan turns to Brosnan
    "Is the food here any good?"
    "YEAH YEAH. Just don't get a vodka martini."
    "Why is that?"
    "You know damn well why Craig."
    "Do they bruise it too badly or something?"
    "The drink was bad the service was bad and I waited awhile for the order alright! Just leave me alone!"
    "Listen, If you don't like it then-"
    "What Craig? Huh? What?! THEN MAYBE I SHOULDN'T BE EATING HERE? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO SAY? THAT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME SOMEONE'S INSULTED ME TODAY!"
    "Pierce, I just made the biggest grossing Bond film ever, and made millions of Bond fans forget your already tarnished legacy. I think I've insulted you enough."
    Brosnan gets in his car, wiping away tears and grunting like a crazed man. He reverses and smashes into a streetlight directly behind him before turning out the back entrance into the dark alley, smashing dumpsters as he goes.
    Connery turns to Craig, patting him on the shoulder. "What a pansy, heh? It's a shame too. I was quite enjoying having sex with his mother. It's back to Trebek for know I guess."

    After that night Pierce Brosnan was never seen again. There were menial sightings, but no leads for investigators to go on. Some say Craig and Connery were the last to see him alive. Some say he lives in The Bahamas spending his days getting fish and snorkeling. No one knows the true story of the disappearance of Pierce Brosnan which occured oh so strangely after Casino Royale opened in theaters. In other news both Neil Purvis and Robert Wade were found dead in their homes just this last hour. The time of death was at least two days past, and there is a 56 minute break in their deaths. There is no further leads connecting Brosnan to the murders......

    I'm sorry for writing a novel there MI6 members, but I enjoyed it and couldn't stop. Hopefully I make some of you laugh in payment. And If you don't like it i'll tell you something. What goes on in my head is none of your business, and if you don't like the post, THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULDN'T BE COMMENTING HERE!!!!!!!!" :-))
  • LudsLuds Moderator, Director
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    IF Brosnan said those exact words then yeah, thats bad. I'm not entirely certain whether I'm going to take everything that comes out of The Mirror (it's a bit of a hack red top paper here) or Playboy as gospol though.
    Certainly not, anyone knows sources like this aren't 100% valid, but when repeated over and over in different articles, interviews, magazines, including TV interviews, it becomes something else. I can't recall where I heard him say it, it was censured, possibly as a bit in ET or something like that, I found it shocking.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It was this or the priesthood.
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    To answer the original question.....Brosnan wasn`t bad in the slightest. Infact, I`ve recently had a moment of carity, and would say he was a freakin` awesome Bond!
    It`s a good idea to evaluate previous Bonds in context of the era they were around in.
    During Brosnans era, he could do little wrong in the publics eye, and was a true ammbassidor for the series. Moores star was fading towards the end, and Dalton didn`t quite have it at all. I`m talking about publis perception here folks.....
    Cubby always said, "give the people what they want" and that`s why Brosnan was so succesfull. He delivered the goods the public wanted at that time.
    There is no argument. Some may not like his Bond, but he delivered. And to say he was only a success because of a long gap between LTK and GE is entirely laughable!
    So, heres to ol Brozza, thanks for the memories chap, it was a real blast! Look forward to seeing you on the dvd reruns. :(|)
  • edited August 2011 Posts: 11,169
    "Cubby always said, "give the people what they want""

    And so did Brosnan - right before he fed Carver to the drill ;)

    Seriously, think what you like of Brosnan but his popularity at the time showed he could carry the series. I don't really buy either that he was only succesful because of the long gap. I'm sure fans here know that during Dalton's era some people even said Brosnan would have made a better 007. Fact is, at the time, more people liked Brosnan more than they did Dalton. I've spoken to people who are old enough to remember queueing up outside cinemas during the Connery era that have described Dalton as "dull" and Brosnan as "very good".

    Before I'm shot down or criticised I'm not trying to say Dalton's rubbish, I'm just saying that he didn't connect to the general audience in the way Brosnan did. Bond has always been made for general audiences - not critics, not intellectuals, not hardcore fans like us but for the general audience.

    I'm not going to say anything else on the matter.
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    "Cubby always said, "give the people what they want""

    And so did Brosnan - right before he fed Carver to the drill ;)

    Seriously, think what you like of Brosnan but his popularity at the time showed he could carry the series. I don't really buy either that he was only succesful because of the long gap. I'm sure fans here know that during Dalton's era some people even said Brosnan would have made a better 007. Fact is, at the time, more people liked Brosnan more than they did Dalton.

    Before I'm shot down or criticised I'm not trying to say Dalton's rubbish, I'm just saying that he didn't connect to the general audience in the way Brosnan did. Bond has always been made for general audiences - not critics, not intellectuals, not hardcore fans like us but for the general audience.

    I'm not going to say anything else on the matter.
    Well put. Don`t know why, but there seems to be something about Brosnan that invokes spite amongst some people here. I have favourites, but I don`t hate any of `em!

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    "Cubby always said, "give the people what they want""

    And so did Brosnan - right before he fed Carver to the drill ;)

    Seriously, think what you like of Brosnan but his popularity at the time showed he could carry the series. I don't really buy either that he was only succesful because of the long gap. I'm sure fans here know that during Dalton's era some people even said Brosnan would have made a better 007. Fact is, at the time, more people liked Brosnan more than they did Dalton. I've spoken to people who are old enough to remember queueing up outside cinemas during the Connery era that have described Dalton as "dull" and Brosnan as "very good".

    Before I'm shot down or criticised I'm not trying to say Dalton's rubbish, I'm just saying that he didn't connect to the general audience in the way Brosnan did. Bond has always been made for general audiences - not critics, not intellectuals, not hardcore fans like us but for the general audience.

    I'm not going to say anything else on the matter.
    Very true Bain. I am not a big Brosnan fan and I am a big Dalton fan, but I will agree with you, the public did warm to Brosnan in a way they never did to Dalton. The public did want Brosnan in 86 ( I was actually one of them) and I don't think GE would have been as popular had Dalton starred in it. Its too bad, because I still think GE would had been better if it was Dalton.
  • edited August 2011 Posts: 5,767
    Maybe it's his thin, reedy voice that takes away from appearing commanding or imposing. Maybe it's the way that he seems to be trying too hard during the "acting" scenes.
    For me, those are two main points. He over-acted in order to get an impact on first sight, remind people of someone from the past. But on second sight, there´s nothing beneath it. Lazenby was less of an actor probably, but he had very few moments where he overdid it.
    I don't agree that he could have been as good as any of the other Bond actors if he had only been given the chance. He had plenty of chances, and other Bond actors have made incredible impacts with some fairly standard scenes. But he's part of the canon and I for one celebrate him.
    While I would leave it open to everyone´s personal flavor to celebrate him, I think you´re dead right about the many chances he had to make something out of the material.

    I don´t think he was bad, but he he is not in line with the rest of them, even though they are a diverse bunch. If that makes any sense :-| .

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