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I wasn’t talking about James Bond.
When it comes to Bond, I hate the idea of making him permanently a one-woman man, or nothing at all. Personally it’s a change that goes too far for me in his characterization. And I strongly believe his ability to have multiple partners can be conveyed without misogyny. But all trends point to one or no women for Bond moving forward.
Yes it doesn't sound like a serious study and won't have any bearing on new films.
That said, it's not like the bits where James gets off with a lady are ever the most interesting bits to me. They're not exactly titillating, and I tend to think the old films where it's all mostly treated as a bit tongue-in-cheek were the best way of handling it. It's fun that he gets his way with ladies, but it's not exactly what I watch the films for.
Not every woman needs to desire him, like in the 60's, but having nobody want him isn't very fun
I thought the side mission with Paloma was really great. But it made sense for that film that Bond would only sleep with Madeline.
On a side note, I think it’s funny that DAF ended up being Connery’s last, as it was the only Bond movie he did where the character only slept with one woman.
Well said @Jordo007 … i agree with you.
"old man's fantasy"........................I'm confused.
Any proof how the writers were feeling, or of an old man's fantasies, or whether or not directors in the 60s were having some sort of middle aged crises?
I didn’t mention Fleming, because his Bond was practically a prude compared to the man whore that is Cinematic Bond.
What old man are you speaking of? Whose fantasies?
Bond’s womanising in the 60s films is its own thing and arguably a bit different to both the novels and what comes after that period in terms of the films. As you said it’s not meant to be erotic but it usually involves stuff like beautiful hotel receptionists fawning over Bond, or Bond seducing random women and sleeping with them. It’s all very carefree and impersonal, but fun.
There’s definitely an element of male fantasy in the books, but Bond’s womanising isn’t always depicted in that ‘wish fulfilment’ way. Sometimes it’s even a bit sad. He often falls in love with flawed women, he messes up relationships, and sleeps around with married women out of boredom. Apart from the occasional internal comment about spanking Fleming’s Bond does indeed come off as a much more conservative figure than the more ‘liberal’ cinematic Bond of the swinging 60s about these things.
I get it though. Times were different. Porno access wasn’t what it is today. Men got it where they could. Gene Roddenberry was the most notorious, hiring two of his mistresses on Star Trek.
Now I'm really confused..................what has porno got to do with wanting and having sex with a variety women. Growing up in the 60's, and watching Bond films perhaps my point of view is off kilter.
An interesting point. I suppose they were trying to navigate/incorporate/innovate on the cusp of the sexual revolution...almost certainly a reaction to the ultraconservative fifties, giving the films sex and violence.
Then we wouldn't have had Bond killing Professor Dent.
Yes, that must be it. Horny old men. Should we expect the next Bond film will be written by prudish young men who are uncomfortable with sex, especially by consenting adults over a certain age?
As good as the scene is in isolation, I could do without that as well. That whole stretch of the film with Taro and Dent didn’t really enhance what was already on the page. Same with shoehorning in Leiter.
I take it that’s a rhetorical question.
If it was a teen fantasy it would be a lot more ribald like AMERICAN PIE.