James Bond on Blu-ray/4K

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  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited January 24 Posts: 1,097
    SF and SP were mastered at 4K, whereas CR and QOS were done at 2K which meant they had to be uprezzed.

    With the software they have nowadays there should be no excuse for all 4k copies not to look fantastic ?
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    Most digital effects are hard encoded and finished at certain resolutions so they're stuck that way unless completely redone from scratch.
    Unless a brand new 4K film out was done for a new master most titles after the digital changeover are going to be 2K upscales which means the vast majority of films since only a small fraction are ever completed let alone finished at 4K resolution.
  • Most digital effects are hard encoded and finished at certain resolutions so they're stuck that way unless completely redone from scratch.
    Unless a brand new 4K film out was done for a new master most titles after the digital changeover are going to be 2K upscales which means the vast majority of films since only a small fraction are ever completed let alone finished at 4K resolution.

    Precisely.

    Most recent example is that new 4K remaster of LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy. Though the first was mastered on film, the next two were done on DI at 2K, and Peter Jackson went back to the original film elements in order create a new 4K master for the 4K release. But as said, this is kind of a rarity.
  • Posts: 109
    Exactly. All the early digital stuff is going to be problematic. The Star Wars prequels have it pretty bad. TPM was film but finished as an early digital film out and they continue to use that as their source before ruining it with manipulation. The other two are stuck at lower res digital because that was their native resolution being shot on digital tape as very early pure digital shoots.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 1,097
    There are programs available that convert 1080 files to 4k.

    I don't know how good they are though.
  • Given the nature of the inherent formats, converting sounds like a waste of time.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited January 24 Posts: 4,010
    While I'll agree SF & SP looked the best in comparison to the Blu-ray.

    I liked the look of both CR & QOS, it isn't night and day but still looked pretty vibrant on my 55" OLED.

    I've heard a lot of people are not impressed what Jackson has done with LOTR, he apparently has tried to make them all (including the pointless Hobbit trilogy) look the same.

    I'll stick with the Blu-ray's, I think it is unlikely they'll be worked on again to return their original theatrical look and these 4K's will be like the very controversial Terminator 2 4K, which I believe caused much gnashing of teeth as Cameron has pretty much scrubbed all the grain off it and it has a waxy look.

    Doesn't bode well for the Abyss finally turning up on a physical format in HD or 4K at some point.

    I never saw it but Friedkin's original Blu-ray of The French Connection was another example where people were exasperated at his choices, thankfully DP Owen Roitzman who was horrified collaborated on another restoration which is the one I own in The Film Maker's Signature series.

    HD & 4K versions don't always mean you are getting the best possible versions unfortunately.

    It seems some intentions are to return them to look as much like they did on original release with obviously some of the anomalies removed from the period, hence some directors claiming they look better than they did on original release.

    Or some directors choose it as an opportunity to revise the original product, possibly in most cases it is better than someone else not associated with the film isn't making the decisions on how it should look.

    All the best ones seem to have some contribution from someone be it the director or the DP but the decisions are taken based on researching knowledge and material of the time to make sure the colours etc are as close to the original intention as possible.


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    Shardlake wrote: »
    I never saw it but Friedkin's original Blu-ray of The French Connection was another example where people were exasperated at his choices, thankfully DP Owen Roitzman who was horrified collaborated on another restoration which is the one I own in The Film Maker's Signature series.

    Don't own a Blu-ray version of The French Connection yet, but thanks for pointing this out! On the subject of 4K, TFC is probably one of those films that might tempt me to make the jump to 4K, should it get a 4K release. As of now, I'm happy enough with Blu-rays and DVDs.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,010
    I'm pretty happy with TFC on Blu-ray myself, I'm certainly not replacing everything in the format, I have 300+ Blu-ray's and currently over 50 4K UHD's.

    It will take some proper favourites for me to upgrade in most cases, new titles I will get on UHD but I still continue to get Blu-ray's of some titles as in some cases like T2 the 4K's aren't an improvement at all in fact they are worse than the previous versions.

    My version of TFC is from the U.S although it is region free so no issues if like me your player is locked to your region, the advantage of UHD is currently they haven't chose to lock the regions and all as far as I know worldwide releases will play on any UHD player.

    I have a few U.S versions, the only downside is the Blu-ray's included are locked you can't play them but as I will be playing the UHD it doesn't pose a problem for me, my DC UHD set has the Blu-ray's but they are region free if I need the use of them.

    Whereas as I have the U.S version of The Fifth Element and that comes with locked Blu-ray it depends on requirement I guess.

    Obtaining a region free bumps the price up usually £100 + I find, I got LG UHD player for £100 and have been happy to live with the locked situation, I did have a region free Blu-ray player but wanted to make the jump to UHD, it required sellng of some Region A titles but the gain was worth it in my case.

    I've been more than happy with Player that I bought in September 2019 and a pretty much all the upgrades I've done have been worth it, I'm currently watching a Christmas present, The Bridge On The River Kwai and this without doubt one of the best I own, the restoration is astounding.
  • edited January 24 Posts: 15,199
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I'm pretty happy with TFC on Blu-ray myself, I'm certainly not replacing everything in the format, I have 300+ Blu-ray's and currently over 50 4K UHD's.

    It will take some proper favourites for me to upgrade in most cases, new titles I will get on UHD but I still continue to get Blu-ray's of some titles as in some cases like T2 the 4K's aren't an improvement at all in fact they are worse than the previous versions.

    My version of TFC is from the U.S although it is region free so no issues if like me your player is locked to your region, the advantage of UHD is currently they haven't chose to lock the regions and all as far as I know worldwide releases will play on any UHD player.

    I have a few U.S versions, the only downside is the Blu-ray's included are locked you can't play them but as I will be playing the UHD it doesn't pose a problem for me, my DC UHD set has the Blu-ray's but they are region free if I need the use of them.

    Whereas as I have the U.S version of The Fifth Element and that comes with locked Blu-ray it depends on requirement I guess.

    Obtaining a region free bumps the price up usually £100 + I find, I got LG UHD player for £100 and have been happy to live with the locked situation, I did have a region free Blu-ray player but wanted to make the jump to UHD, it required sellng of some Region A titles but the gain was worth it in my case.

    I've been more than happy with Player that I bought in September 2019 and a pretty much all the upgrades I've done have been worth it, I'm currently watching a Christmas present, The Bridge On The River Kwai and this without doubt one of the best I own, the restoration is astounding.

    Agree, it would take some proper favourites to become available for me to even consider a new format and upgrading the DVD/Blu-ray I do own, and going back and upgrading the entire or even just parts of my existing collection would be too expensive in itself.

    It's interesting that the UHD players are region free (that was news to me!). A lot of times I've had to skip getting at Blu-ray title just because of the region locking, and getting another player just for those specific titles have been out of the question. Backward compatibility I guess is a given with any UHD player?
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,010
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I'm pretty happy with TFC on Blu-ray myself, I'm certainly not replacing everything in the format, I have 300+ Blu-ray's and currently over 50 4K UHD's.

    It will take some proper favourites for me to upgrade in most cases, new titles I will get on UHD but I still continue to get Blu-ray's of some titles as in some cases like T2 the 4K's aren't an improvement at all in fact they are worse than the previous versions.

    My version of TFC is from the U.S although it is region free so no issues if like me your player is locked to your region, the advantage of UHD is currently they haven't chose to lock the regions and all as far as I know worldwide releases will play on any UHD player.

    I have a few U.S versions, the only downside is the Blu-ray's included are locked you can't play them but as I will be playing the UHD it doesn't pose a problem for me, my DC UHD set has the Blu-ray's but they are region free if I need the use of them.

    Whereas as I have the U.S version of The Fifth Element and that comes with locked Blu-ray it depends on requirement I guess.

    Obtaining a region free bumps the price up usually £100 + I find, I got LG UHD player for £100 and have been happy to live with the locked situation, I did have a region free Blu-ray player but wanted to make the jump to UHD, it required sellng of some Region A titles but the gain was worth it in my case.

    I've been more than happy with Player that I bought in September 2019 and a pretty much all the upgrades I've done have been worth it, I'm currently watching a Christmas present, The Bridge On The River Kwai and this without doubt one of the best I own, the restoration is astounding.

    Agree, it would take some proper favourites to become available for me to even consider a new format and upgrading the DVD/Blu-ray I do own, and going back and upgrading the entire or even just parts of my existing collection would be too expensive in itself.

    It's interesting that the UHD players are region free (that was news to me!). A lot of times I've had to skip getting at Blu-ray title just because of the region locking, and getting another player just for those specific titles have been out of the question. Backward compatibility I guess is a given with any UHD player?

    It is a surprising stance they went for with UHD considering the region locking of Blu-ray's, possibly s @MakeshiftPython might have some thoughts on that being regular expert in this area.

    It might have something to do with UHD being a very niche format, the fact that it isn't going to supersede Blu-ray, as that format hasn't even ruled out DVD, possibly the fact it won't ever be wide selling format like those others this stance has been taken, I don't actually know.
  • edited January 24 Posts: 15,199
    Shardlake wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I'm pretty happy with TFC on Blu-ray myself, I'm certainly not replacing everything in the format, I have 300+ Blu-ray's and currently over 50 4K UHD's.

    It will take some proper favourites for me to upgrade in most cases, new titles I will get on UHD but I still continue to get Blu-ray's of some titles as in some cases like T2 the 4K's aren't an improvement at all in fact they are worse than the previous versions.

    My version of TFC is from the U.S although it is region free so no issues if like me your player is locked to your region, the advantage of UHD is currently they haven't chose to lock the regions and all as far as I know worldwide releases will play on any UHD player.

    I have a few U.S versions, the only downside is the Blu-ray's included are locked you can't play them but as I will be playing the UHD it doesn't pose a problem for me, my DC UHD set has the Blu-ray's but they are region free if I need the use of them.

    Whereas as I have the U.S version of The Fifth Element and that comes with locked Blu-ray it depends on requirement I guess.

    Obtaining a region free bumps the price up usually £100 + I find, I got LG UHD player for £100 and have been happy to live with the locked situation, I did have a region free Blu-ray player but wanted to make the jump to UHD, it required sellng of some Region A titles but the gain was worth it in my case.

    I've been more than happy with Player that I bought in September 2019 and a pretty much all the upgrades I've done have been worth it, I'm currently watching a Christmas present, The Bridge On The River Kwai and this without doubt one of the best I own, the restoration is astounding.

    Agree, it would take some proper favourites to become available for me to even consider a new format and upgrading the DVD/Blu-ray I do own, and going back and upgrading the entire or even just parts of my existing collection would be too expensive in itself.

    It's interesting that the UHD players are region free (that was news to me!). A lot of times I've had to skip getting at Blu-ray title just because of the region locking, and getting another player just for those specific titles have been out of the question. Backward compatibility I guess is a given with any UHD player?

    It is a surprising stance they went for with UHD considering the region locking of Blu-ray's, possibly s @MakeshiftPython might have some thoughts on that being regular expert in this area.

    It might have something to do with UHD being a very niche format, the fact that it isn't going to supersede Blu-ray, as that format hasn't even ruled out DVD, possibly the fact it won't ever be wide selling format like those others this stance has been taken, I don't actually know.

    No region locking could be the difference between getting a player or not for some, myself included. As you write, it's a niche format (or likely to be), and people are maybe likely to buy more films when there's no region locking. Still though, it's an interesting stance.
  • Posts: 1,497
    Shardlake wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I'm pretty happy with TFC on Blu-ray myself, I'm certainly not replacing everything in the format, I have 300+ Blu-ray's and currently over 50 4K UHD's.

    It will take some proper favourites for me to upgrade in most cases, new titles I will get on UHD but I still continue to get Blu-ray's of some titles as in some cases like T2 the 4K's aren't an improvement at all in fact they are worse than the previous versions.

    My version of TFC is from the U.S although it is region free so no issues if like me your player is locked to your region, the advantage of UHD is currently they haven't chose to lock the regions and all as far as I know worldwide releases will play on any UHD player.

    I have a few U.S versions, the only downside is the Blu-ray's included are locked you can't play them but as I will be playing the UHD it doesn't pose a problem for me, my DC UHD set has the Blu-ray's but they are region free if I need the use of them.

    Whereas as I have the U.S version of The Fifth Element and that comes with locked Blu-ray it depends on requirement I guess.

    Obtaining a region free bumps the price up usually £100 + I find, I got LG UHD player for £100 and have been happy to live with the locked situation, I did have a region free Blu-ray player but wanted to make the jump to UHD, it required sellng of some Region A titles but the gain was worth it in my case.

    I've been more than happy with Player that I bought in September 2019 and a pretty much all the upgrades I've done have been worth it, I'm currently watching a Christmas present, The Bridge On The River Kwai and this without doubt one of the best I own, the restoration is astounding.

    Agree, it would take some proper favourites to become available for me to even consider a new format and upgrading the DVD/Blu-ray I do own, and going back and upgrading the entire or even just parts of my existing collection would be too expensive in itself.

    It's interesting that the UHD players are region free (that was news to me!). A lot of times I've had to skip getting at Blu-ray title just because of the region locking, and getting another player just for those specific titles have been out of the question. Backward compatibility I guess is a given with any UHD player?

    It is a surprising stance they went for with UHD considering the region locking of Blu-ray's, possibly s @MakeshiftPython might have some thoughts on that being regular expert in this area.

    It might have something to do with UHD being a very niche format, the fact that it isn't going to supersede Blu-ray, as that format hasn't even ruled out DVD, possibly the fact it won't ever be wide selling format like those others this stance has been taken, I don't actually know.

    No region locking could be the difference between getting a player or not for some, myself included. As you write, it's a niche format (or likely to be), and people are maybe likely to buy more films when there's no region locking. Still though, it's an interesting stance.

    Wow, me too. I have a box set of Region 2 Avengers (TV) DVDs that I can't watch now that I've had to replace my previous laptop. Knowing this could lead me to getting a 4K player if the price is right, although I'm still hesitant to totally convert to the format. It would just be great to have something all-inclusive.
  • Posts: 2,218
    I recommend getting an all-region Blu-Ray player. You can find them on reliable sites like 220-electronics.com for $130 and up. I find them incredibly useful and have many British-made Region B discs in my collection from the BFI, Arrow Academy, Second Run Films, Artificial Eye, Eureka, etc., as well as several French releases. The world is my oyster!
  • Posts: 214
    Unfortunately here in the UK 4K players that can play multi region blu- ray as well as DVDS are considerably more expensive than their standard counterparts. Usually at least £100 pounds more.
  • Posts: 15,199
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I'm pretty happy with TFC on Blu-ray myself, I'm certainly not replacing everything in the format, I have 300+ Blu-ray's and currently over 50 4K UHD's.

    It will take some proper favourites for me to upgrade in most cases, new titles I will get on UHD but I still continue to get Blu-ray's of some titles as in some cases like T2 the 4K's aren't an improvement at all in fact they are worse than the previous versions.

    My version of TFC is from the U.S although it is region free so no issues if like me your player is locked to your region, the advantage of UHD is currently they haven't chose to lock the regions and all as far as I know worldwide releases will play on any UHD player.

    I have a few U.S versions, the only downside is the Blu-ray's included are locked you can't play them but as I will be playing the UHD it doesn't pose a problem for me, my DC UHD set has the Blu-ray's but they are region free if I need the use of them.

    Whereas as I have the U.S version of The Fifth Element and that comes with locked Blu-ray it depends on requirement I guess.

    Obtaining a region free bumps the price up usually £100 + I find, I got LG UHD player for £100 and have been happy to live with the locked situation, I did have a region free Blu-ray player but wanted to make the jump to UHD, it required sellng of some Region A titles but the gain was worth it in my case.

    I've been more than happy with Player that I bought in September 2019 and a pretty much all the upgrades I've done have been worth it, I'm currently watching a Christmas present, The Bridge On The River Kwai and this without doubt one of the best I own, the restoration is astounding.

    Agree, it would take some proper favourites to become available for me to even consider a new format and upgrading the DVD/Blu-ray I do own, and going back and upgrading the entire or even just parts of my existing collection would be too expensive in itself.

    It's interesting that the UHD players are region free (that was news to me!). A lot of times I've had to skip getting at Blu-ray title just because of the region locking, and getting another player just for those specific titles have been out of the question. Backward compatibility I guess is a given with any UHD player?

    It is a surprising stance they went for with UHD considering the region locking of Blu-ray's, possibly s @MakeshiftPython might have some thoughts on that being regular expert in this area.

    It might have something to do with UHD being a very niche format, the fact that it isn't going to supersede Blu-ray, as that format hasn't even ruled out DVD, possibly the fact it won't ever be wide selling format like those others this stance has been taken, I don't actually know.

    No region locking could be the difference between getting a player or not for some, myself included. As you write, it's a niche format (or likely to be), and people are maybe likely to buy more films when there's no region locking. Still though, it's an interesting stance.

    Wow, me too. I have a box set of Region 2 Avengers (TV) DVDs that I can't watch now that I've had to replace my previous laptop. Knowing this could lead me to getting a 4K player if the price is right, although I'm still hesitant to totally convert to the format. It would just be great to have something all-inclusive.

    Exactly! I got enough players as it is, but if I find a region free 4K player at the right price, then that might be the solution.
    Revelator wrote: »
    I recommend getting an all-region Blu-Ray player. You can find them on reliable sites like 220-electronics.com for $130 and up. I find them incredibly useful and have many British-made Region B discs in my collection from the BFI, Arrow Academy, Second Run Films, Artificial Eye, Eureka, etc., as well as several French releases. The world is my oyster!

    It's the other way around here, as I would like to have more region A releases in my collection. There are so many great releases from American equivalents to the labels you mention above @Revelator.
  • Posts: 569
    Skyfall looks amazing on an OLED. All those shadows and dark areas have the black level they deserve.
  • Skyfall looks amazing on an OLED. All those shadows and dark areas have the black level they deserve.

    Make sure you set your gamma right too.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy N.Ireland
    Posts: 12,445
    Be careful of those Gamma rays though, look what happened to Dr David Banner ;)
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 1,097
    Skyfall looks amazing on an OLED. All those shadows and dark areas have the black level they deserve.

    What brand and size tv do you have ?
  • Posts: 1,180
    @MakeshiftPython Are all of the older Bond films (outside of the Craig films), on UHD 4k through Vudu, Itunes, etc, are they all 4k masters, or are some only 2k upscales?
  • They’re all 4K masters. At least since 2015 all the original 20 films have been given the 4K remastering treatment unlike the original blu-ray released.
  • Posts: 1,180
    @MakeshiftPython Thanks, very confused about that, but thanks for clearing it up.
  • edited January 31 Posts: 3,771
    In 2005 only the first half of the films got a 4K treatment because it was a more expensive process and the relatively newer half didn’t need as much meticulous remastering so existing video masters were used instead. MGM basically cheaped out. By 2015 4K became much more affordable so they were able to scan the original negatives of the latter half films properly (albeit it seemed they used the blu-ray HD masters for color reference).
  • edited March 16 Posts: 2,218
    A friend of mine wants to rewatch Live and Let Die next week in honor of the late Yaphet Kotto. I said "sure, but I'll need to get an HD copy of the film first." (I've seen the LALD on another friend's Blu-Ray but never loved it enough to buy my own.)

    Anyway, I see there are multiple Blu-Ray editions of the film, dating from 2008, 2012, and 2015. Is the 2015 version just a repackaging of the 2008 transfer? Should I try and obtain the 4K digital file instead?
  • edited March 16 Posts: 3,771
    All blu-rays are just the same 2008 transfer.

    The only difference with the 4K online version is that it gets rid of that magenta tint that was prevalent in the blu-ray.

    https://007homemedia.blogspot.com/2020/01/live-and-let-die-1973.html
  • Posts: 2,218
    Thanks @MakeshiftPython -- I knew I could count on your expertise.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy N.Ireland
    Posts: 12,445
    I bought from Google movies ages ago the two Sherlock Holmes movies. A couple of
    days ago I was informed that they'd been upgraded to the 4k UHD versions. I'm hoping
    that as I've all the Bonds, ...... they might be generous to update those too, when available :D
    but I won't hold my breath
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