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Is the world is not enough Brosnan's best performance ???

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  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Touche :p The thing is for an era that was meant to be a deeper study into Bond he didn't seem to have a particularly strong back catalogue.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited November 2014 Posts: 11,425
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Touche :p The thing is for an era that was meant to be a deeper study into Bond he didn't seem to have a particularly strong back catalogue.

    What was Cambell's strong back catalogue?

    May be this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sex_Thief
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited November 2014 Posts: 11,189
    He'd at least done The Edge of Darkness TV drama series in the 80s. I've not seen it but it was popular enough and well regarded back in the day apparently. It also featured Joe Don Baker.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    He'd at least done The Edge of Darkness TV drama series in the 80s. I've not seen it but it was popular enough and well regarded back in the day apparently. It also featured Joe Don Baker.

    Ah, good ol' Joe Don. The hallmark of quality in any production he appears in.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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  • GetafixGetafix
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    I never heard of it before. Looks quite high budget for 80s BBC.

    I see Cambell remade it as a movie with Mel Gibson as well.

    Any way, isn't fair to say that Spottiswoode's CV was at least as impressive, and without the soft porn movies either.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    I didn't know Spottiswode worked as an editor on Straw Dogs. Under Fire looks like a decent enough film too.

    He obviously sold out in the late 80s/early 90s.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I didn't know Spottiswode worked as an editor on Straw Dogs. Under Fire looks like a decent enough film too.

    He obviously sold out in the late 80s/early 90s.

    And then redeemed himself with arthouse masterpiece TND? ;)
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    Getafix wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Directed by who?
    Martin Campbell, of course.

    Ah, the great Dalton-Cambell collaboration we never got to see. One of the great historical missed opportunities.

    Campbell is simply of of the better Bond directors. It actually does not matter who plays Bond if he's directing.
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Spottiswode was a lightweight director who'd done Turner and Hooch and Stop or My Mom will Shoot.

    ENough said. What a lousy director, and what a mostly lousy Bond movie he made. All the stuff on the boat at the end was just horrible.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    doubleohdad wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Spottiswode was a lightweight director who'd done Turner and Hooch and Stop or My Mom will Shoot.

    ENough said. What a lousy director, and what a mostly lousy Bond movie he made. All the stuff on the boat at the end was just horrible.

    The bit on the boat was indeed cringeworthy.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    doubleohdad wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Spottiswode was a lightweight director who'd done Turner and Hooch and Stop or My Mom will Shoot.

    ENough said. What a lousy director, and what a mostly lousy Bond movie he made. All the stuff on the boat at the end was just horrible.

    The first time I've ever agreed with you.
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    Yeah, all that stuff went on FOREVER

    And that Stamper guy, set up well enough, but all that stuff was just a huge bore.

    Okay first act, especially the intro to carver, and the death of his wife, but after all that, yyyyaaaawwwwwnnnnnnnn
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I don't think TND was that bad. But I don't think it was that good. Maybe one of the most disappointing Bond movies.
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    I don't think TND was that bad. But I don't think it was that good. Maybe one of the most disappointing Bond movies.

    I agree, especially after goldeneye was so successful

    the audience I saw it with laughed at the movie sometimes, and not in a good way
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    That said, Jonathan Pryce, what a great casting. And he did wonders with a rather poorly written role.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited November 2014 Posts: 11,189
    I thought Pryce was fun.

    Mr Wallace...call the president

  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    That's true, but when he did that kung fu imitation, the audience I saw it with just laughed at him and the movie

    his scenes with bond early on were great though
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I loved TND, my friends loved it, the audiences I saw it with seemed to love it...
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited November 2014 Posts: 11,189
    Robert Shaw would have been envious ;)

  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    ...and the doctor guy who showed up to kill bond, I'd seen him in like a million american TV shows. He was just awful. Must have been a friend of the director.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I didn't think TND was that bad at all. I quite enjoyed it.

    I found it to be weaker than GE though, but GE is one of the Bond greats to me, so not living up to it is not so bad.

    Dr. Kaufman was incredible (one of the most wasted villains in Bond history - he had maybe 2 minutes of screen time). I liked Carver too (in a comic book, megalomanical but deeply insecure kind of way......like a weak man hiding behind his power and money).
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    Tough to tame Dr Kaufman silly after you grew up seeing him on Return to Gilligan's Island.
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    Take….seriously….
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited November 2014 Posts: 5,080
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Robert Shaw would have been envious ;)


    What have I just watch?!

    No, but seriously, I love that scene! Hilarious!
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    Thanks for exhibit A

    Good grief.

    It's a long way from some of the great Bond villains.
    He's fine in the early scenes, but man that scene helped sink the movie.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    doubleohdad wrote: »
    That's true, but when he did that kung fu imitation, the audience I saw it with just laughed at him and the movie

    his scenes with bond early on were great though

    Maybe I should not, but I actually LOVE the kung fu imitation. He is humiliating a superchick and basically showing her that her martial art is pretty pointless.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Putting the Chinese secret service to shame. There was a bit of a racist element to it I thought, but I still loved it. It might have been better if Wai Lin broke free and kicked him in the nuts, but regardless, priceless scene.
  • doubleohdaddoubleohdad
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    I think everyone understood it was being done to be funny, but came off as unintentionally un-funny
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Putting the Chinese secret service to shame. There was a bit of a racist element to it I thought, but I still loved it. It might have been better if Wai Lin broke free and kicked him in the nuts, but regardless, priceless scene.

    Yes, but it was Elliot Carver being demeaning, the villain. And I kind of like that one of those Bond's equal Bond girls was in a helpless position, the villain taunting her about the very skills she had. (And yes, Wai Lin was utterly inconsistent at this point, but still Pryce was great).
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