Superman: The Man of Tomorrow

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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    talos7 wrote: »

    I just hope it’s not J.J. Abrams’ Flyby script, and the villains aren’t Lex Luthor, General Zod, Doomsday or made up villains! Brainiac, Metallo or someone else please!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython The Black Lodge
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    Oh man, a black Superman is gonna make the internet explode!!! I’m all for it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes, JJ has been circling Superman for years. Feels like we've had quite a few Supermen recently, but sure, why not.
    Oh man, a black Superman is gonna make the internet explode!!! I’m all for it.

    Yeah I'd be all up for that. At least it's something a bit different.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Costa Mucho
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    Depends who it is, doesn t it?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It does, but that's much the same for picking white guys too.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I'll pass for the same reasons that I don't care to see a black Bond. Superman is an iconic character and I would prefer to see a traditional presentation in a film with a creative script and direction.

    As I've said when the false, tabloid driven rumor of Idris Elba being considered for Bond was circulating, I am a huge fan of his ; he is a very talented actor, has loads of charisma and given the right material could absolutely carry a spy franchise, but, for me not as Bond. I would love to see him as a suave super spy in an original production.
    The same holds true for the super hero genre; come up with a fantastic Idea featuring a black superhero. I would plop down my money to see both.

    Some see changing an established character's gender or race as being "Brave", "Daring" or "Bold"; I see it as lazy and pandering to trendy social issues.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited February 26 Posts: 8,833
    Is it lazy though? Lazy is surely just doing exactly the same thing as before which someone else has written, I'd say.
    If it captures the imagination and feels fresh and takes it somewhere it hasn't been before: that's not really lazy. He's not supposed to be of the same race as the other people in Kansas, why not.

    In terms of 'traditional', Superman always wore his knickers over his trousers until he didn't.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I think with what DC have planned with the Flash film, there's plenty of room for an Elseworld's style take on Superman. However, I would like to see Cavill continue also.

    I don't know if they'll do both.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    mtm wrote: »
    Is it lazy though? Lazy is surely just doing exactly the same thing as before which someone else has written, I'd say.
    If it captures the imagination and feels fresh and takes it somewhere it hasn't been before: that's not really lazy. He's not supposed to be of the same race as the other people in Kansas, why not.

    In terms of 'traditional', Superman always wore his knickers over his trousers until he didn't.

    Just personal preference. It's like when someone records a new song and they add a sample from a previous hit, much of the good reaction is often based on the popularity of the older song. Often the tune could not stand up on it's own. Occasionally it's done with an artistic authenticity, but it seems more often than not it's manipulative and , yes, lazy.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited February 26 Posts: 8,833
    That doesn’t really apply here though, Superman is a property strong enough to stand up on its own.
    I totally get how it’s a personal preference to see it like all of the previous versions, but I think it is strong enough to take some fresh approaches. This new TV show has him as a father to teenage sons living in Smallville rather than Metropolis for example: I haven’t seen a negative reaction to that not being a traditional approach for some reason. I don’t get why how he looks is somehow more terrible a change than where he lives and having a whole different family dynamic.
    Lots of people have kids so that must be a manipulative and lazy capitulation to them.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    mtm wrote: »
    That doesn’t really apply here though, Superman is a property strong enough to stand up on its own.
    I totally get how it’s a personal preference to see it like all of the previous versions, but I think it is strong enough to take some fresh approaches. This new TV show has him as a father to teenage sons living in Smallville rather than Metropolis for example: I haven’t seen a negative reaction to that not being a traditional approach for some reason. I don’t get why how he looks is somehow more terrible a change than where he lives and having a whole different family dynamic.
    Lots of people have kids so that must be a manipulative and lazy capitulation to them.

    Fair enough, I can respect that.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython The Black Lodge
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    There’s been so many different versions and interpretations of Superman in the comics over the years, I don’t see why it should be a problem when a movie actually takes that step.
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    If its done well with a good actor in the role that's really all that matters to me. The first actor that has come to mind and many maybe familiar with him is Mike Colter who played Luke Cage.
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    Mike Colter is 6'3 and was excellent in Luke Cage often understated and sublte in his performance and projects integrity, he would be perfect as Superman IMO. He is 44 though I suspect they will look for a younger actor.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited February 27 Posts: 3,820
    Kingsley Ben-Adir
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    Or is he more Bond. He is Britisch!, but atleast i think he intresting for another option for Felix or Licence to Kill type of villian. He is from 1986, wil be first who younger then me, but looks older.

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    If not him, Eli Goree should play Superman.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I'd like a Superman a bit more like Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman: an honest, straightforward good soul- no inner demons or bittnerness.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    mtm wrote: »
    I'd like a Superman a bit more like Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman: an honest, straightforward good soul- no inner demons or bittnerness.
    Yes! We’ve had more than enough angst ridden superheroes.
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    A black Superman is a marvellous idea. Having the Kents find and raise a black child in Kansas adds a whole new level of emotional weight to the story.
    It’s an idea that rich with opportunity. I don’t know why they didn’t think of it before.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I feel like it must've happened in the comics at some point? They've done every other variant. He even had a Lovejoy mullet for a while.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Costa Mucho
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    mtm wrote: »
    I feel like it must've happened in the comics at some point? e.

    It did.
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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited March 1 Posts: 2,139
    Rewatched Superman 2, the theatrical cut from 1981. It was better than I remembered, but I still like the Donner Cut better (even with the poor editing at times). It was hard to watch for years, because of the great stronger acting in the Donner Cut. At times, the humor in the Lester Cut, falls into Marvel Cinematic Universe cringeworthy (not as bad as Superman 3 though). The Donner Cut has the right amount of humor. Also, the love story is stronger in the Lester Cut. It feels like they made Lois Lane truly crazy too prove herself, in anyway!

    Overall, I prefer The Donner Cut, because of well balancing of everything (as well as it can with its footage). It was a injustice to fire Donner and Superman's film career still hasn't recovered. But we got two great films out of it.

    (Also, the way they used Clifton James as the Sheriff is the way Bond should have used him as Sheriff Pepper in about that much screentime)! Looks like Tom Mankiewicz learned his lesson, and that was with Richard Lester!
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    Amazing scene that is mirroring what I am currently feeling.
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    One of the greatest Superman scenes of all times...
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Like I said above, there's more feeling and emotion with Donner than with Lester, he was just there to get his money back.
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    Donner's work on Superman had heart, Lester was just looking for his next joke.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython The Black Lodge
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    I don't think either version is perfect. A hybrid cut between the two would result in something better. I've actually attempted one myself.

    The real shame is that Donner never finished shooting the remaining scenes. Because of that, his cut of the film will always feel incomplete in a sense. It feels even more so when reading the original shooting script for Superman II where you get a lot more of how the criminals were originally written, compared to what Lester did. What makes it even odder is that the Donner Cut is actually a sequel to a version of the first film that doesn't even exist. In order for the Donner Cut to actually work as a companion piece to the first film, they would have had to change the climax of the first film to end on a cliffhanger that leads to the second film. No going back in time and saving Lois from dying, and all of that.

    When it comes to how Superman II would have ended up if Donner finished it in 1980, I would have been more interested in what exactly he and Mankiewicz would have done with the ending. By all accounts, their plan was to write an entirely new ending, but I don't think they ever got far into discussing it would be because Donner was too busy trying to finish the first film.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I guess that’s why they are calling the Superman ‘78 a sequel to just the 1978 film only. Speaking of the new comic book, more drawings from Wilfredo Torres, the comic’s artist. Lex Luthor and Bizarro confirmed?

    https://www.supermanhomepage.com/wilfredo-torres-shares-superman-78-sketches/
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython The Black Lodge
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I guess that’s why they are calling the Superman ‘78 a sequel to just the 1978 film only.

    Where was that stated?
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    Donner being ousted is one of the biggest travesties in cinema, he would have likely gone on to make four or five Superman films. We the audience were robbed of greatness.
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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 1 Posts: 8,833
    I just watched the Donner cut because I hadn't seen it in years. To be honest... I think it might still be the original one for me. Stuff like Lois' revealing of Clark's identity; just storytelling-wise it works better in the order in the original film- Lois' thought process actually builds and then there's a payoff. Of course it doesn't work hugely well in the Donner one because he had to use a screentest rather than proper scenes, but it's all a bit flat and disjointed for me.
    The scene where Lois and Superman are standing in the ice at the end is a good one though.

    I think apparently the idea wasn't actually to use the spinning-the-world-back finale; they were thinking that they'd just come up with a new ending once they'd used that in the first movie, but they didn't get the chance.
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