Superman: The Man of Tomorrow

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  • YAY! Super-Pets! Super-serious fans will hate this, but not me -- I loves me some super-pets!
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns The Bright Side of the Road.
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    Super Pets looks fun, I was surprised by the impressive voice cast.
  • If I was a big name actor, I'd love to get big bucks for an afternoon's "work" spent voicing a super-animal.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns The Bright Side of the Road.
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    UK viewers just been informed that the show Superman and Lois Season One starts airing on BBC1 1740 Saturday 4th December.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://thegww.com/christopher-reeve-legacy-reunion-to-happen-at-motor-city-comic-con-2022/

    Some more Superman 78 comic book stories, perhaps? I actually hope so.
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    Posting a film ranking here for the fun of it:

    1. Superman (1978)
    2. Superman II - The Richard Donner Cut (2006)
    3. Superman II (1981)
    4. Superman Returns (2006)
    5. Superman III (1983)
    6. Man of Steel (2013)
    7. Superman IV: Quest for Peace (1987)

    On the whole unfortunately, I think the film saga leans a bit more on the disappointing side, particularly when up against its DC counterpart Batman. The first Superman movie starring Reeve is still the best and far and away most captures the spirit of what it should all be about. Still need to watch the extended version! I personally really enjoy both the Donner and Lester cuts of II and find they each have some pros and cons.

    After that it’s pretty inconsistent though. I thought Returns was decent and did a few things I really liked but it still lacked a real wow factor to it and could be quite average much of the time. III has too much unfunny camp but earns solid points for the evil Superman and Lana content. Man of Steel is fine as just any movie, but it’s really far too dark in tone for a Superman film. Then Quest for Peace is just one of the worst films I’ve ever seen that can be laughed at through at times at least.

    I really hope there’ll be a new director with great vision that will come along to do this series more justice than it’s seen in many a year. The series deserves it. Oh and the Animated Series starring Tim Daly is definitely best content I’ve seen on screen of the character besides the first two films.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It’s pretty unfortunate how Superman’s run on film is overall disappointing in comparison to every other superhero series. The character deserves better. Hell, his rogues gallery of villains has barely been used. Lex Luthor and General Zod have been the only villains he ever faced off on his solo films. Brainiac, Metallo, Parasite, Bizzaro, even one with Mr. Mxyzptlk would be crazy.

    That animated series by Bruce Timm does an amazing job of utilizing the Superman lore. That and John Byrne’s run on the comics.

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    Here's my ranking:

    1. SUPERMAN AND THE MOLE MEN
    2. SUPERMAN THE MOVIE
    3. SUPERMAN II (1981 release version)
    4. SUPERMAN IV THE QUEST FOR PEACE
    5. MAN OF STEEL
    6. SUPERMAN III
    7. SUPERMAN II (2006 Donner cut)
    8. SUPERMAN RETURNS
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    It’s pretty unfortunate how Superman’s run on film is overall disappointing in comparison to every other superhero series. The character deserves better. Hell, his rogues gallery of villains has barely been used. Lex Luthor and General Zod have been the only villains he ever faced off on his solo films. Brainiac, Metallo, Parasite, Bizzaro, even one with Mr. Mxyzptlk would be crazy.

    That animated series by Bruce Timm does an amazing job of utilizing the Superman lore. That and John Byrne’s run on the comics.

    Big +1. One of the biggest issues is the under-mined lore and lack of classic villains that could be adapted well. I’d love to see Darkseid and the ones you mentioned. Lex Luthor and the Joker are excellent characters and villains and deserve to hold the titles of arch nemesis for Superman and Batman, but I’m ready for them to have a rest and make way for new baddies.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    It’s pretty unfortunate how Superman’s run on film is overall disappointing in comparison to every other superhero series. The character deserves better. Hell, his rogues gallery of villains has barely been used. Lex Luthor and General Zod have been the only villains he ever faced off on his solo films. Brainiac, Metallo, Parasite, Bizzaro, even one with Mr. Mxyzptlk would be crazy.

    That animated series by Bruce Timm does an amazing job of utilizing the Superman lore. That and John Byrne’s run on the comics.

    Big +1. One of the biggest issues is the under-mined lore and lack of classic villains that could be adapted well. I’d love to see Darkseid and the ones you mentioned. Lex Luthor and the Joker are excellent characters and villains and deserve to hold the titles of arch nemesis for Superman and Batman, but I’m ready for them to have a rest and make way for new baddies.

    Big +2. In my Superman (and Supergirl) movie script ideas, (I have 3 written down for now), there is no Lex or Zod. We would also move more into space for fights. The only time that I would want Lex Luthor around is an origin story for a modern day version of the character.
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    My ranking..

    1) Superman: The Movie
    2) Man Of Steel
    3) Superman 2: Donner cut
    4) Superman 2: Lester cut
    5) Superman 4: The Quest For Peace
    6) Superman 3
    7) Superman Returns
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’m fine with Lex being a side character like in the animated show where an episode would feature him but it’s really Metallo that’s the heavy of the episode. Lex Luthor needs to always be elusive that Superman can’t bring down, which BvS really blew by making him and out and out criminal who is jailed at the end is pretty much a fugitive in JL. There’s no way Eisenberg Lex could have ever rose to power as high as being elected president of the USA.

    With DCEU being practically finished as far as Superman’s stories go, there’s a chance to undo the damage Snyder left behind.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    My ranking..

    1) Superman: The Movie
    2) Man Of Steel
    3) Superman 2: Donner cut
    4) Superman 2: Lester cut
    5) Superman 4: The Quest For Peace
    6) Superman 3
    7) Superman Returns

    Let's get more specific ....

    1) Superman: The Movie 3hr ABC cut
    2) Superman: The Movie Special Edition
    3) Superman: The Movie theatrical
    4) Superman II (Lester)/Superman II Donner Cut *each has elements the other does not. The best would be a mix of the two*
    5) Superman III
    6) Superman Returns
    7) Man Of Steel
    8) Superman 4: The Quest For Peace
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    My ranking..

    1) Superman: The Movie
    2) Man Of Steel
    3) Superman 2: Donner cut
    4) Superman 2: Lester cut
    5) Superman 4: The Quest For Peace
    6) Superman 3
    7) Superman Returns

    Let's get more specific ....

    1) Superman: The Movie 3hr ABC cut
    2) Superman: The Movie Special Edition
    3) Superman: The Movie theatrical
    4) Superman II (Lester)/Superman II Donner Cut *each has elements the other does not. The best would be a mix of the two*
    5) Superman III
    6) Superman Returns
    7) Man Of Steel
    8) Superman 4: The Quest For Peace

    More or less how I’d rank, aside from the three hour cut. I like a lot of the deleted material, but holy moly do they stretch out sequences like the plainclothes police following Otis for what felt like an eternity.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I like a lot of the deleted material, but holy moly do they stretch out sequences like the plainclothes police following Otis for what felt like an eternity.
    It's a world I absolutely do not mind living in for a three hour stretch....
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    I go back and forth over whether the 1978 Superman or Man Of Steel is my favourite Supes film.MOS is incredible and has some of the best superhero fight scenes put to screen,but STM is a nostalgic favourite
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns The Bright Side of the Road.
    edited April 2022 Posts: 19,473

    One of the greatest scenes never to appear in a movie.

    This is amazing.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    One of the greatest scenes never to appear in a movie.

    This is amazing.

    wow.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It’s a far more intriguing introduction to Routh’s Superman than in the theatrical cut where he’s just stumbling onto his mom’s arms.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns The Bright Side of the Road.
    edited April 2022 Posts: 19,473
    Pretty much opening Superman Returns with someone mascerading as Lex doing whatever they are doing is horrendous, I recall sat in the Cinema thinking 'what the hell is this garbage'.

    The above reported 10 million dollar deleted scene would have softened the blow for the crap scenes that followed early on.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Here’s one I’ve been thinking about since I saw the Jurassic World Dominion trailer. People who read my opinions on the threads, know that I think it’s one of the many Member Berries (see South Park) movies that have been popular lately. Looking back at movie history, one of the movies that kicked this trend off was Superman Returns (2006). It did everything that the average Member Berries movie does:

    rehashing previous plots (namely the villains).
    Bringing back a previous cast member (Marlon Brando as Jor-El).
    A failed relationship.
    Family problems.
    A rescuing montage.
    Over powering a hero character.

    These are just some of the reasons why SR is more of a landmark movie than people realize. I have always enjoyed it for what is, same with the Jurassic World movies. But at their cores, they are all just Member Berries movies.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I remember Tom Mankiewicz remarking that the best lines in SR were all the ones lifted out of ‘78. He’s not wrong.

    It’s crazy because during pre-release Bryan Singer seemed like he had genuine reverence for the Donner film, but SR doesn’t really feel like it belongs in the same universe. It’s also just a flat looking movie. Nothing pops like in the first two Reeve films. It’s like someone went to post production and dialed contrast way below acceptable levels.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns The Bright Side of the Road.
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    I recall seeing Singer talking about Superman as though he was a Super Fan prior to release. Usual Suspects was great and the first two Xmen films gave me hope that Superman Returns would be of a good standard. Singer and his team literally got everything wrong. They were totally clueless as to how Kryptinite works.
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    I recall seeing Singer talking about Superman as though he was a Super Fan prior to release. Usual Suspects was great and the first two Xmen films gave me hope that Superman Returns would be of a good standard. Singer and his team literally got everything wrong. They were totally clueless as to how Kryptinite works.

    I know right? Kryptonite almost kills him in one scene...then ten minutes later he lifts an entire continent of the stuff!

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    I recall seeing Singer talking about Superman as though he was a Super Fan prior to release. Usual Suspects was great and the first two Xmen films gave me hope that Superman Returns would be of a good standard. Singer and his team literally got everything wrong. They were totally clueless as to how Kryptinite works.

    I know right? Kryptonite almost kills him in one scene...then ten minutes later he lifts an entire continent of the stuff!

    First time I saw Superman Returns I hated the kryptonite continent thing.
    Then I saw Man Of Steel & Superman Returns didn't seem so bad....
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The plane rescue sequence is pretty decent.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    mtm wrote: »
    The plane rescue sequence is pretty decent.

    Yeah, pretty good in fact. The crushing nose was a good touch.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    SUPERMAN RETURNS may have been one of the most hyped films for me in my life. More than any James Bond film. Almost on the same level as the STAR WARS prequels.

    I never felt so empty at the end of a movie, but what was worse was that I couldn’t even admit that to myself. I would soon rewatch it multiple times in theater and on DVD hoping I would end up loving it. I used to go online defending it, claiming it wasn’t terrible, but that it was pretty good and that the sequel to it will make it all better! Just have to wait for Bryan Singer to make that Tom Cruise Nazi movie first and then we’ll start hearing pre-production news!

    And nothing happened.

    I had a similar with MAN OF STEEL, but more subdued. I wasn’t as hyped for that as I was for SR, but I hoped the best for Cavill and thought Snyder would make a proper post-Crisis film. Movie wasn’t great, okay, but the sequel will make everything better! And then we got this…

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    Woof! When audiences began laughing at the Martha scene I knew this DCEU was crashing and burning.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    The plane rescue sequence is pretty decent.

    Yeah, pretty good in fact. The crushing nose was a good touch.

    I liked that is showed the problem of Superman's strength that other adaptations hadn't shown- he is strong enough to pick a plane up but he's only the size of a man: if you hold a plane by one tiny man-sized pressure point on its wing then the wing will break :)
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    I think Snyders trilogy of DC films ( MOS,BVS: Ultimate edition,ZSJL ) are going to age like fine wine.All three are fantastic films and represent a great hero’s journey for Superman ( Birth,Death,Rebirth).The action sequences are amongst the very best in superhero cinema,the soundtracks are amazing,Afflecks Batman is the most comic accurate,and most importantly they take themselves SERIOUSLY and are pure cinema.

    I liked the MCU films ( Until its end with Endgame ),but everything since ( with the exception of Spider Man NWH has been just woke garbage.



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