Superman: The Man of Tomorrow

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited July 2023 Posts: 8,026
    chrisisall wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    The Mankiewicz Bonds are definitely more closer to Donner’s Superman when it comes to that verbal wit. Charles Gray’s Blofeld even feels like a precursor to Hackman’s Lex Luthor. Menace but also flamboyant. “If we destroyed Kansas the world may not hear about it for years.” But that’s directed by Guy Hamilton, who didn’t really care about giving Bond the kind of scope that Donner did for Supes.

    That's a great observation. Also, I'm more increasingly of the mind that Goldfinger was a bit of a fluke for Hamilton, as I'm not sure any of his other films are terribly great and may have been better with other directors. Well, I like Funeral in Berlin, I'll give him that.
    Yes, when Hamilton did Goldfinger, he had a limited pattern to follow, much like Lester with Superman II. Hamilton unleashed got a bit silly, and Lester unleashed went daft.

    Hamilton is only as good as the material he’s given. If he directed as originally planned for SUPERMAN and worked with the Mankiewicz re-writes, it probably would have been about as good as LIVE AND LET DIE.

    Now if Hamilton ultimately directed with the Newman & Benton draft*… it probably would have been as big of a mess as TMWTGG That draft is the infamous one that included the Telly Savalas cameo telling Superman “who loves ya baby!” Here it is:

    https://www.bigapricot.net/scripts/superman_original.txt
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    This thread got me in the mood to put on the ‘78 movie soundtrack while doing some writing. I forgot just how wonderful it was.

    That soundtrack is amazing. What Williams does with The Fortress Of Solitude scene is just incredible. Moves me to tears. I know that not everyone loves John Williams the way I do, but I doubt that many will disagree with the pivotal role he played in adding magic to this movie.

    I definitely love John Williams the way you do! ;) but seriously, his scores have been emotionally stirring since my earliest years, and I've often found myself tearing up at several tracks of several scores. His action themes are fantastic, of course, but I'm always most into his songs when they reflect a sad mood, like the track for Jonathan Kent's death. You really feel it all through the music.

    Very true. And much of that magic is lost in later scores that recycled Williams' themes but didn't manage to use them as effectively. I tear up all the time, listening to Williams. E.T., STM, and the SW scores have some of the most emotional musical cues I've ever heard.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    This thread got me in the mood to put on the ‘78 movie soundtrack while doing some writing. I forgot just how wonderful it was.

    That soundtrack is amazing. What Williams does with The Fortress Of Solitude scene is just incredible. Moves me to tears. I know that not everyone loves John Williams the way I do, but I doubt that many will disagree with the pivotal role he played in adding magic to this movie.

    Absolutely.
    Many, many composers with us and not have contributed to the magic of films, really too many to list here quickly, but John Williams and the late Jerry Goldsmith were like the two titans of musical scores. We are blessed that John is still with us!!!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I had actually just went to a John Williams concert in LA.

    I think his Superman score may be my favorite of his. Which sucks that he never returned to do a full score. But oh well.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    The 4K Reeve collection is definitely something I want to grab someday.

    I bought that set it is fantastic, worth every penny to me in any case. Superman 3 and 4 remasters are excellent and elevate the films.

    HaM6KIW.jpg

    HZGo27B.jpg

    I bought the Steelbook version of the set.
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    That looks beautiful. You know, the older I’ve gotten, the more and more I’ve grown a soft spot for III. I still don’t consider it near I or II, but it’s got a lot of cool stuff about it, even if it doesn’t come together as a whole. Much, much better than IV and all the Cavill-era stuff I think!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    III is entertaining as a lark, but it’s such a bizarre direction to go given how successful the first two films were. You think the producers would want to keep going that more epic adventurous feel, but instead go for Richard Pryor because he had a string of box office hits, and to producers that MUST mean he’s box office gold for Superman!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    III is entertaining as a lark, but it’s such a bizarre direction to go given how successful the first two films were. You think the producers would want to keep going that more epic adventurous feel, but instead go for Richard Pryor because he had a string of box office hits, and to producers that MUST mean he’s box office gold for Superman!

    III is another very uneven film, IMO. I'll start with the good stuff: the opening titles. Whatever film we're in, the comedic timing of every gag is spot-on! Seriously, it's like Buster Keaton oversaw the whole thing. Brilliant.

    And then things go wrong. On the one hand, we are given a somewhat serious, somewhat romantic film that takes place in Smallville and eventually shows Superman fighting his dark side. On the other hand, we are given Richard Pryor, a ditsy blonde, and an evil supercomputer. That's not about balance, that's about lumping two different films together. I don't really have a particularly high opinion of The Salkinds, but when Warner Bros people creatively interfere with a DC property, you just know it's going to be bad.

    Overdosing on Pryor and his particular brand of comedy was the wrong move IMO. A good comedian though he was, I doubt this was the type of film to include so much of him. Imagine if Jim Carry had taken over half of GE, or if James Corden had taken over half of SF.

    I used to equate this film to Batman Forever (and IV to Batman And Robin), but I have since re-evaluated those Batman films while my issues with Superman III and Quest For Peace have only grown larger.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I don't really have a particularly high opinion of The Salkinds, but when Warner Bros people creatively interfere with a DC property, you just know it's going to be bad.

    We should probably be thankful that WB rejected Salkind's original pitch that involved introducing Supergirl to be a new love interest for Superman.

    This blog entry gets into great detail about that version of SUPERMAN III.

    https://superheroeseveryday.com/2022/10/13/superman-iii-4-2/

    But yeah, the III that we got is basically what we could have gotten with the first film if Donner and Mankiewicz hadn't come in and straightened things out. I do like the Smallville stuff with Clark reconnecting with Lana, but it has no bearing with the rest of the film.

    There's one bit of humor at the end where Perry congratulates Lois for exposing corruption in the Caribbean, and Lois says "You know, I knew I was onto something when that taxi driver kidnapped me." That actually sounds more like a fun movie than SUPERMAN III.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    There's one bit of humor at the end where Perry congratulates Lois for exposing corruption in the Caribbean, and Lois says "You know, I knew I was onto something when that taxi driver kidnapped me." That actually sounds more like a fun movie than SUPERMAN III.

    It does, doesn't it? :-D
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    That looks beautiful. You know, the older I’ve gotten, the more and more I’ve grown a soft spot for III. I still don’t consider it near I or II, but it’s got a lot of cool stuff about it, even if it doesn’t come together as a whole. Much, much better than IV and all the Cavill-era stuff I think!

    I like elements of 3 despite its issues, I blame WB for the way the film turned out, WB thinking it was a bad idea for DC villains to feature in 3 as they thought main stream audiences would not care for foolish.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    That looks beautiful. You know, the older I’ve gotten, the more and more I’ve grown a soft spot for III. I still don’t consider it near I or II, but it’s got a lot of cool stuff about it, even if it doesn’t come together as a whole. Much, much better than IV and all the Cavill-era stuff I think!

    I like elements of 3 despite its issues, I blame WB for the way the film turned out, WB thinking it was a bad idea for DC villains to feature in 3 as they thought main stream audiences would not care for foolish.

    Despite what Salkind claims, I highly doubt that’s why WB rejected his pitch.
  • edited August 2023 Posts: 1,394
    FoxRox wrote: »
    The 4K Reeve collection is definitely something I want to grab someday.

    I bought that set it is fantastic, worth every penny to me in any case. Superman 3 and 4 remasters are excellent and elevate the films.

    HaM6KIW.jpg

    HZGo27B.jpg

    I bought the Steelbook version of the set.

    I have seen some reviews of the 4K set that mention some picture and audio defects is that true? Apparently the final shot of Superman 2 is misframed and the audio track for Superman 4 has the wrong score?

    Also,odd they didn’t include Superman Returns this time like they did for the Blu ray set ( possibly of all the crazy stuff that’s come out because of Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey maybe? ).

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited August 2023 Posts: 8,026
    RETURNS was natively shot on 1080p videotape, so it probably needs a serious remaster in order to make it a worthwhile 4K release.
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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Thank you. These fan films always seem to be about superheroes giving a really serious and overwritten speech instead of doing anything fun.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    The 4K Reeve collection is definitely something I want to grab someday.

    I bought that set it is fantastic, worth every penny to me in any case. Superman 3 and 4 remasters are excellent and elevate the films.

    HaM6KIW.jpg

    HZGo27B.jpg

    I bought the Steelbook version of the set.

    I have seen some reviews of the 4K set that mention some picture and audio defects is that true? Apparently the final shot of Superman 2 is misframed and the audio track for Superman 4 has the wrong score?

    Also,odd they didn’t include Superman Returns this time like they did for the Blu ray set ( possibly of all the crazy stuff that’s come out because of Bryan Singer and Kevin Spacey maybe? ).

    They messed up the ATMOS audio mix for Superman IV, Superman The Movie is the same as the previously released 4K version which I also own. some have complained abut a couple of things with the set, overall I am happy.

    I have that many versions of the films I am not too fussed, if they improve the first movie further I will buy it.
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    Impressive! Was that created using A.I?
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
    edited August 2023 Posts: 992
    AstonLotus wrote: »

    Impressive! Was that created using A.I?

    No, CGI.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Superman Awakens short was pretty awesome.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Too self serious.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    MaxCasino wrote: »

    Cool, one of the items that was included in the 4K Christopher Reeve Superman steelbook Fortress boxset I purchased was a mini version of Superman 78 comic.

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    Shouldn’t this thread be called “ Superman:Legacy “ now?
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Shouldn’t this thread be called “ Superman:Legacy “ now?

    It's pretty much a universal thread for all things Superman. At this point, by the end of the year, the Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny thread should go back to being just Indiana Jones for the time being. Maybe when Superman Legacy gets closer, they will change the thread title.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    From the illustrator Kerry Callen.
  • edited August 2023 Posts: 1,394
    Posted in the Indiana Jones thread but it belongs here..

    There’s a guy on YouTube called APRICEPRODUCTIONS who has taken it upon himself to remaster and redo the bad fx shots from Superman IV.It’s such good work that a lot of fans have called upon WB to let him remaster and re-edit the whole film.

    Some examples..










  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Posted in the Indiana Jones thread but it belongs here..

    There’s a guy on YouTube called APRICEPRODUCTIONS who has taken it upon himself to remaster and redo the bad fx shots from Superman IV.It’s such good work that a lot of fans have called upon WB to let him remaster and re-edit the whole film.

    Some examples..










    They have done a great job there.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Too many logistics to prevent that from ever happening. A better bet would be to get Furie on board to do some kind of restoration, but I don’t think even he would be interested in looking back at SUPERMAN IV. And even if he was, you’d have to convince WB of putting money onto a new version of a film, which is even less likely than Paramount redoing STAR TREK V.

    But you never know.
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Posted in the Indiana Jones thread but it belongs here..

    There’s a guy on YouTube called APRICEPRODUCTIONS who has taken it upon himself to remaster and redo the bad fx shots from Superman IV.It’s such good work that a lot of fans have called upon WB to let him remaster and re-edit the whole film.

    Some examples..










    They have done a great job there.

    Yeah, so much better than the final film's muddled ending.
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