This thread basically does what it says on the tin. This is the thread for all "out there" strange and bizarre stuff that exists here on Planet Earth and further afield - ghosts, UFOs, elves, fairies, leprechauns, spirits, time travel, aliens, hooded men with lanterns in fields at night, the Real Men in Black, phantom death coaches, poltergeists, banshees, strange clouds, time slips, crazy or credible conspiracy theories, alternative religions, unexplained phenomena, cults and sects, Voodoo and black magic, the Occult, Seances, Ouija Boards, the Bilderberg Group, the Masonic Order, secret societies, the Skulls and Bones, the Hollow Earth Theory and just general bizarre stuff...it all belongs here in this thread! Let's get a discussion going. There are Bond links here of course - you only need to look at the Black Magic and Voodoo ceremony elements in Ian Fleming's Live and Let Die
and in the film version of the same name!
I'll start the ball rolling with what I found out only just this week about the American elites who visit the Bohemian Grove and in California in the United States where they take part in a freaky ceremony called the Cremation of Care. You can read more about it on the net, but here are some excellent YouTube videos that have recorded footage of what goes on at these ceremonies:
This thread is just like "Arthur C. Clarke's Mysterious World"...erm...only it's by me. :)
Can you tell us more about your UFO sighting, @Dalton12?
Not much to tell actually it was late at night two years ago we were watching at the sky then suddenly it appeared it was like a circle in the middle were three bright little circles there were like windows or something like that my father was really scared I wasn't for no apparent reason then suddenly it disappeared just like that it was like teleport or something really strange .
OK, thank you for elaborating. My late father saw a strange cigar-shaped cloud once that folded in on itself and then disappeared.
Correct, @Dalton12. UFO's are real, technically speaking, because every time we spot something in the sky that we can't identify, we have ourselves a UFO. Of course this very thing is not an alien ship of some sorts. It's probably just a meteor or a funny reflection or refraction of light or something military, man-made of course.
The UFO craze from the 50s still hasn't gone away and it saddens me that this is the case.
Aliens aren't spying on us, folks. In fact, they haven't even reached us. You can't just travel the vast distances of the cosmos as if it's a boat trip that just happens to take a little more time. Light is the fastest 'thing' in the universe and some stars are so far away that their light takes millions of years to reach us. Even if some alien civilisation would be sufficiently advanced to build ships that can support many generations of them while floating in space, remember that life takes aeons to evolve and the universe might simply not be old enough yet for one such technologically advanced life form to have been born, evolved, left its home planet and crossed the vast distances of space to reach us, a fairly inconspicuous little planet in a pretty average solar system some 30 000 light years from the centre of our fairly average galaxy.
Furthermore, isn't it coincidental that the first mass-hysteria concerning reports of UFO sightings and alien abductions and such came when science fiction films involving aliens blossomed in Hollywood? H.P. Lovecraft and H.G. Wells had mentioned aliens many decades before, yet somehow the lack of alien invasion films also blinded people from spotting UFO's. Another strange fact is that most of the reports come from the USA. Either the rest of us never watch the skies or aliens feel that Americans are an easier target for spying and physical examinations.
Another curious fact would be that these aliens, so incredibly advanced that they can simply fly through space and escape the attention of our satellites, must actually perform recon missions in our skies. Surely such a clever species would be able to spy on us from a safe distance. I mean, if we can build telescopes that can give us pretty detailed images of, say, the lunar surface, then by all means aliens that are many orders of magnitude cleverer than we are can at least pull a similar if not an even more spectacular trick! Same thing with abductions. Beings that can outsmart Einstein's laws of relativity and overcome ALL of the technical obstacles involved in space travel no doubt need little more than a single human cell to analyse us completely and understand us better than we understand ourselves. That they would have to make constant surveys of our planet and abduct one human after the other to then perform brutal experiments on us, as seen in the movies, is paradoxical to the level of scientific and technological brilliance that brought them here.
I'm not saying UFO sightings make no sense. Again, anything that can be observed as moving in the sky but not immediately understood, is technically a UFO. Several perfectly natural phenomena, at least initially, qualify as such. But aliens spying on us is highly unlikely and in fact as good as impossible. Aliens abducting us for the sake of probing our genitals with barbaric instruments, is total lunacy. But mass-hysteria is fun, I guess. Whatever keeps the people happy, right?
Can't argue with any of this really. But despite all this I feel some form of alien life must exist simply due to the mathematical probability.
You are not alone in believing that a person's spirit or soul lives on, @Murdock. For me, that comes from my Christian faith point of view.
I had a same thing but with my grandfather who passed not so long ago . I couldn't believe how real those dreams were.
But please keep on believing. Myths and imagination rarely does any harm. But please don't let these thoughts lead you into madness, as it has done for a few unfortunate people...
And what if? We have been making our presence in the universe known since the first radio broadcast that allowed meaningful messages to leak into space. Naturally these messages are carried on radio/microwaves, so they cannot travel faster than 300 000 km/s. Given the vast distances between us, here, and another civilisation that might in time learn about electromagnetism, these messages may take thousands of years to reach that civilisation. If they decide to reply, or more spectacular still, to pay us a visit, by the time they get here, if they ever get here, Earth might have already become a barren planet.
Some believe that any civilisation that discovers nuclear power, which is the logical next step after discovering the laws of electromagnetism, faces a true challenge: will it use that nuclear power for peaceful purposes only, or will it make the same stupid mistake our brave politicians made - twice! - in the 1940s? The more we learn about the fundamental build-up of the cosmos, the more we deal with increasingly high supplies of energy. Should we ever manage to construct matter-antimatter engines, we could venture out into space with a bigger chance of surviving for a very long time, however we'd also posses a source of power that could literally destroy our planet in no time. I fear that as long as we persist in staying chopped up as many peoples with our own cultural, religious, political, social, ... prides, we are too unstable a population to handle such powers. Switch on the television, see what's happening in Syria, and ask yourself: are we mature enough to use eccentric power sources only for the sake of our future? Better still: the US government refuses to pump money into scientific research that's only a fraction of what the maintenance for one aircraft carrier costs. In other words, we rather finance the destruction of people than its future. But I digress. What I want to point out is that according to some, it takes more than a few extra centuries of scientific progress to become smart enough for space travel. And if we still struggle with our silly little differences, could not the same issue prevent other civilisations out there too from exploring space?
@jobo, Correct, sir! :-) Well put.
I wonder if we'll ever find what's going on beneath that surface.... It's so full of wonders. It's also my favourite moon of the solar system. The rusty-reddish streaks combined with the blue-ish glows on the horizons.
Ooowh yes, and the latest discoveries (2014) prove us that Europa has got plate tectonics. It's an important discovery, because this makes the upper, stone-hard ice crust always in direct connection with the softer layers and the actual liquid ocean down below.
Moreover, the gravitational pull of Europa by its parent planet Jupiter always create internal heat sources. And this tiny moon has more water than our entire water supply (oceans, seas, lakes, rivers) on Earth.
The person/nation who discovers life on this moon, will go down in the history books as another "Man who did a tremendous giant leap for mankind".
Although I think we will first discover microbial life on Mars. And this article could be the stepping stone towards discovering Martian bacteria:
Basically it says that, even Mars has a too low pressure for water to stay liquid, it does/can stay liquid when enough sulfates (salts) are mixed with the ice. Thus creating liquid droplets during certain hours of the day.
This fact is very important, because discovering E.T., in the form of Martian bacteria, could be a groundbreaking "Giant Leap for Mankind".
Just to make you more excited, NASA has finished building the Orion rocket/spacecraft. And it's set for its first test flight upcoming December 4th:
During the 4.5-hour flight, called Exploration Flight Test-1, Orion will travel farther than any crewed spacecraft has gone in more than 40 years, before returning to Earth at speeds near 20,000 mph and generating temperatures up to 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit.
The Orion will be the template for future interstellar travels. Starting with an attempt to capture an asteroid and put it in an orbit around our Moon. Then later, it must be the prime means of a travel to Mars around 2030.
My personal agenda until I die (I hope I'll be alive until around 2076. I am 33 now ;-)) MUST feature the first landing of a human being on Mars. I really believe that'll be one of the prime events in my lifetime. And the chance is fairly big that we'll be alive to see it.
I sometimes hear my dad talking about the landing on the Moon. I've never experienced it. And I think it's about time NASA marvel's us again with something big. Current discoveries, like the ones I just mentioned, barely make the headlines of today's news.
We therefore desperately need a Mars landing withing the next 20 years. Only then further discoveries, like the ones from Jupiter's moon Europa and Saturn's moon Titan get way more screentime. Just look what the Moon landing did to both science and real-life television. It truly generated legacy and a grown interest into science and education. Kids suddenly put paper moons above their beds. Kids wanted to have a poster of Erath solely "hanging" in space.
And I kind of feel it today with movies as well again. There's this unspoken drive for exploration that NASA currently is barely channeling. For marvel's of our outer space we solely depend on directors like Alfonso Cuarón ("Gravity"), Robert Zemeckis ("Contact"), Joseph Kosinski ("Oblivion") and Christopher Nolan ("Interstellar", premieres next week).
Even next year's final arrival of the NASA's New Horizon's space probe to dwarf planet Pluto and it's moon Charon ( http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/overview/ScienceShorts.php?page=ScienceShorts_09_11_2014 ) would generate way more publicity if it was preceded by a Mars landing of human astronauts a couple years earlier.....
That's one word for it - though some folks here might enjoy it! It fits into the "strange and bizarre" category perfectly!
--> The "Dawn" space probe: Which will explore dwarf planet "Ceres", which is orbiting between the circular orbits of planet Mars and planet Jupiter, in the Asteroid Belt.
The official mission site: http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/
--> The "New Horizons" space probe: Which will explore dwarf planet "Pluto" and its moons. It has been demoted in 2006 to "dwarf planet" status.
The official mission website: http://pluto.jhuapl.edu/
This is the best known image of Ceres, made by the Hubble telescope:
As you can see, Ceres is the only real "round" object in the Asteroid Belt (between Mars and Jupiter). Ceres has a diameter of 960 km (give or take a few km's if you measure it from pole to pole or from the equator). It was considered to be the first known asteroid, but has now been fully promoted to "dwarf planet". Ceres has a similar reddish color as compared to Mars. You can find the general stats about Ceres here: http://space-facts.com/ceres/
Pluto however, as you all know by now, has been demoted from "planet" to "dwarf planet". This is the best image we have so far:
It has a diameter of 2,368 km (give or take 20 km's if you measure it from pole to pole or from the equator) and is located near the Kuiper Belt. Also Pluto appears to be a bit reddish in color. Just to be sure: "A planet is a celestial body that (a) is in orbit around the Sun, (b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and (c) has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit.". Some facts about Pluto you can find here: http://space-facts.com/pluto/
Both Pluto and Ceres are, according to the new IAU definition (2006) not a full "planet", but a "dwarf planet".
Upcoming three months we can expect the best known detailed pictures from both Ceres and Pluto. That will be very exciting no ;-)?
Alien Warning Message Live on TV in UK-"We Come to Warn you About your Race and your Planet":