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Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    bondjames wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I'm 100% with you @AceHole.

    Re: my comments re: short, blond, thuggish Craig, I am referring to criticisms that were noted about him (including his somewhat blue collar, construction worker appearance it was said, relative to suave, debonair Brosnan) among his detractors.

    I don't want to have to go down that path x 10 if a black actor is cast. I want my franchise to survive. The time is not right to cast a black actor as Bond and there is no necessity for it at present, with many suitable conventional candidates available. The time may never be right, as there will always be a big pool of suitable white candidates, given British tv drama's history of producing gems. However, a black actor should never be excluded from contention purely on the basis of his race (that would not be right), but when it comes down to the final decision, I am ok if the studio/EON decide behind the scenes not to cast him because of commercial viability. That is just business.

    Why shouldn't an actor be excluded from contension based on race? If a new Blade film was to be made they would only consider black actors and rightly so (not racist, just how the character is and should always remain). The same goes for Bond, just visa versa.

    To answer your question about why an actor should not be excluded from contention based purely on race - because I think that would be crossing the line in terms of discriminatory behaviour. Everyone should have a shot at the role, because the best actor could be black (unlikely purely based on numbers of candidates in contention though....).

    I respect your view point. However, I believe an actor can/ should be excluded from contention based purely on race if the character he is playing doesn't fit his physical/ or racial appearance. Just my opinion.

    In terms of an actor who would have made a good 007....Gerard Butler would have been great. But timing and age mean it won't happen.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    In terms of an actor who would have made a good 007....Gerard Butler would have been great. But timing and age mean it won't happen.

    Butler was probably discounted on the basis that he cannot talk properly (and I don't mean because he's Scottish...). Seriously, the man needs a speech-therapist.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    AceHole wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    In terms of an actor who would have made a good 007....Gerard Butler would have been great. But timing and age mean it won't happen.

    Butler was probably discounted on the basis that he cannot talk properly (and I don't mean because he's Scottish...). Seriously, the man needs a speech-therapist.

    I think Butler was screen tested prior to Craig being chosen. I don't think he did well on the test. I really wanted him after Brosnan (or Bale) because I thought he had the right look. Seeing him in action since then has convinced me that EON made the right choice going with Craig.
  • RC7RC7
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    bondjames wrote: »
    AceHole wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    In terms of an actor who would have made a good 007....Gerard Butler would have been great. But timing and age mean it won't happen.

    Butler was probably discounted on the basis that he cannot talk properly (and I don't mean because he's Scottish...). Seriously, the man needs a speech-therapist.

    I think Butler was screen tested prior to Craig being chosen. I don't think he did well on the test. I really wanted him after Brosnan (or Bale) because I thought he had the right look. Seeing him in action since then has convinced me that EON made the right choice going with Craig.

    Butler being cast after Brosnan would have made TND a very strange watch.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    bondjames wrote: »
    AceHole wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    In terms of an actor who would have made a good 007....Gerard Butler would have been great. But timing and age mean it won't happen.

    Butler was probably discounted on the basis that he cannot talk properly (and I don't mean because he's Scottish...). Seriously, the man needs a speech-therapist.

    I think Butler was screen tested prior to Craig being chosen. I don't think he did well on the test. I really wanted him after Brosnan (or Bale) because I thought he had the right look. Seeing him in action since then has convinced me that EON made the right choice going with Craig.

    After the 300 we all thought this, but his movie choices in particular the stupid romcom's really ruined stopped him as a serious contender. I though he was decent in Law Abiding Citizen but everything after then has been awful Olympus has fallen was painful watching.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    DC is the better actor, hand down. Butler would have been fine for the vacuous part time Bond fans & mainstream moviegoers, but he offered no real upgrade over Brosnan.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I prefer the title Licence to Kill as well. Since that term has been associated with the character.

    Yes, but he loses his licence to kill in the film, so the title is a little meaningless or misleading. Licence Revoked was so much better…would have made for a harder title song though!
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    AceHole wrote: »
    DC is the better actor, hand down. Butler would have been fine for the vacuous part time Bond fans & mainstream moviegoers, but he offered no real upgrade over Brosnan.

    Agreed. In fact he never struck me as Bond material.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    AceHole wrote: »
    DC is the better actor, hand down. Butler would have been fine for the vacuous part time Bond fans & mainstream moviegoers, but he offered no real upgrade over Brosnan.

    Naturally DC is far superior to Butler. But he would have been a more rugged and Flemingesque upgrade to Brozzer (the diet, mainstream, not as hard as Connery, not as smooth as Moore) 007.
  • RC7RC7
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    AceHole wrote: »
    DC is the better actor, hand down. Butler would have been fine for the vacuous part time Bond fans & mainstream moviegoers, but he offered no real upgrade over Brosnan.

    Naturally DC is far superior to Butler. But he would have been a more rugged and Flemingesque upgrade to Brozzer (the diet, mainstream, not as hard as Connery, not as smooth as Moore) 007.

    Butler or Brosnan? Absolutely no competition. Brosnan destroys him in every department.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Butler as Bond is a horrible thought.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Butler is more rugged than Brosnan, but he doesn't have the 'Bondian class' that both Craig and Brosnan have. IMO I rather have a less rugged actor (but who can still handle himself) but that has the Bond class than an actor who doesn't have an ounce of British class in him. I'd even take Clive Owen instead of Butler.
  • RC7RC7
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Butler as Bond is a horrible thought.

    Absolutely.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited June 2015 Posts: 5,131
    I can't really comment on this (Butler) as I've never actually seen Butler as Bond. All I do know is that Brozzer is the worst 007 of the series thus far. I still like him, but based on his performance and films combined (compared with the likes of Sir Sean Connery) he was poor.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2015 Posts: 23,883
    I personally think both Brosnan and Butler are ill suited for Bond. One proved it for the most part in my eyes, and the other thankfully did not get the chance
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited June 2015 Posts: 4,554
    I have been watching the first season of The Fall on Netflix. I never thought much of Jamie Dornan...until now. Too bad he did Fifty Shades, because he'd be a really good choice. Might still be, but I think playing Christian Grey takes him out of the 007 running.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    Oh come on, he isnt even attractive enough really for Grey. Bland, boring face, no particular body neither. I always thought, every underwear model would have neen better.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited June 2015 Posts: 2,138
    I went down the bookie stuck £50 on Aiden Turner at 50/1 I dont think Dan is going anywhere until at after at least Bond 25 but the price was too good to not to take a punt. Turner has the looks the acting ability and is from the right performance background to be a Bond actor. EON are clearly fans of BBC drama with the way they pursued Andrew Scott for Spectre. If Turner picks his next project after Poldark wisely I think he is a very strong contender.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Never seen him on screen. However, 'physically' you could have made a wise bet.
  • SJK91SJK91
    edited June 2015 Posts: 1,310
    TripAces wrote: »
    I have been watching the first season of The Fall on Netflix. I never thought much of Jamie Dornan...until now. Too bad he did Fifty Shades, because he'd be a really good choice. Might still be, but I think playing Christian Grey takes him out of the 007 running.
    Dornan was so awful in 50 Shades, I would think it disqualified him from any large franchise.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited June 2015 Posts: 23,883
    SJK91 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    I have been watching the first season of The Fall on Netflix. I never thought much of Jamie Dornan...until now. Too bad he did Fifty Shades, because he'd be a really good choice. Might still be, but I think playing Christian Grey takes him out of the 007 running.
    Dornan was so awful in 50 Shades, I would think it disqualified him from any large franchise.
    He should sack his agent. Anyone could have told him that this franchise was not the one to get involved with at this stage of his career, which was definitely on the up and up after the Fall
  • JohnHammond73JohnHammond73 Lancashire, UK
    edited July 2015 Posts: 4,151
    Dornan would be a very poor choice, especially after his turn in 50 shades. Bland and boring and surely stopped him getting a major role for a while. In a movie like 50 Shades, I'm sure he didn't expect the laughs he got either; there was plenty in the viewing the wife took me too. Awful movie.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
    edited July 2015 Posts: 1,727
    I too was a promotor of Dornan for 007, but doing soft-porn takes him out of the running, unfortunately.
  • TuuliaTuulia
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    I'm surprised anyone wanted to see 50 Shades in the first place. I had to sit through the trailer a couple of times when I went to see something else, and... well, geez... I would have needed to be paid to sit through the whole movie. And paid even more if I had been expected to actually watch it, too. :)) Oh and the guy seemed totally bland.
  • GermanladyGermanlady
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    What I said. Irritating there are people, who consider him, but a matter of taste, as usual
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    What I said. Irritating there are people, who consider him, but a matter of taste, as usual
    I've just looked him up on-line. And I don't get it, why would anyone think he'd make a good Bond? Oh well…
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    bondjames wrote: »
    SJK91 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    I have been watching the first season of The Fall on Netflix. I never thought much of Jamie Dornan...until now. Too bad he did Fifty Shades, because he'd be a really good choice. Might still be, but I think playing Christian Grey takes him out of the 007 running.
    Dornan was so awful in 50 Shades, I would think it disqualified him from any large franchise.
    He should sack his agent. Anyone could have told him that this franchise was not the one to get involved with at this stage of his career, which was definitely on the up and up after the Fall

    What, sack his agent for making him rich and gaining international fame?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2015 Posts: 23,883
    suavejmf wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    SJK91 wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    I have been watching the first season of The Fall on Netflix. I never thought much of Jamie Dornan...until now. Too bad he did Fifty Shades, because he'd be a really good choice. Might still be, but I think playing Christian Grey takes him out of the 007 running.
    Dornan was so awful in 50 Shades, I would think it disqualified him from any large franchise.
    He should sack his agent. Anyone could have told him that this franchise was not the one to get involved with at this stage of his career, which was definitely on the up and up after the Fall

    What, sack his agent for making him rich and gaining international fame?

    On this site he is almost unanimously ridiculed and derided since he appeared in that film (which I haven't seen by the way). Seems like a case of short term gain for potential long term pain. He's out for Bond, that's for sure. Even Cavill probably has a better chance now.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited July 2015 Posts: 15,691
    the '50 Shades' movie seems to be forgotten already by the general audience, as if it was only that 'soft core porn film' from a few months ago, and whenever it is mentioned, it is to ridicule it. Dare I say in a few years, the 50 shades books will be more remembered than the film adaptation, which will fall into oblivion. The 'chance of international fame' for Dorman was a very short one, but the mocking and laughter will last a lot longer.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited July 2015 Posts: 23,883
    I think there are sequels planned (since it made almost as much globally as QoS and CR), so sadly he will be associated with this for some time.
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