Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
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    Even as a character actor, Keoghan appears very limited to me - he basically does a mild variation of the same thing in every movie. A ‘quirky by numbers’ one trick pony, in my mind. He hasn’t a bloody hope of being cast as Bond.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 21 Posts: 16,507
    I think Keoghan is a very good actor, but it's quite funny to say that actors who do a variation of the same thing every time could never be Bond: a few of the previous 007s haven't exactly had the broadest range! :)
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    I think he’s a much better actor than some are giving him credit for here. It’s just that he’s been a bit confined to certain types of roles. I’d like to see him do something different.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I think he’s a much better actor than some are giving him credit for here. It’s just that he’s been a bit confined to certain types of roles. I’d like to see him do something different.

    Yeah, I don’t know if he’s Bond, but I do find him to be a very interesting actor. I enjoy watching him very much.

    I didn’t know he was actually a boxer??
  • AmericanBondFan1994AmericanBondFan1994 Milford, Michigan
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    In order to diversify the suggestions somewhat, has anyone already proposed the name of Fabien Frankel? Not that he would necessarily be my first choice for the role, but he is currently one of the main characters in a popular series (HBO's House of the Dragon), without being too famous yet.
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    I haven't started watching season 2 yet but I really found him flat in the series. He does have a great look though.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    In order to diversify the suggestions somewhat, has anyone already proposed the name of Fabien Frankel? Not that he would necessarily be my first choice for the role, but he is currently one of the main characters in a popular series (HBO's House of the Dragon), without being too famous yet.
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    I think he was mentioned on the last page mate. I haven't heard of him or seen him in anything but he has a strong look, although he looks a bit French, maybe that's just me

    I think he falls into the "should get a screentest" category, there's a few actors who don't have a lot of credits but they have potential.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    Benny wrote: »
    I watched Chernobyl the other day. Barry Keoghan was in it. A decent actor but I couldn't see him as Bond. He pulled off the Russian peasant well enough.

    If Barry Keoghan was cast as James Bond, I think I’d walk.
    I’m all for giving an actor a chance but I don’t like Keoghan as an actor. I think he’s very overrated.

    Is there anything in particular you don't like about him? I don't think much of him either, I'm just curious what you think.
  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
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    mtm wrote: »
    I think Keoghan is a very good actor, but it's quite funny to say that actors who do a variation of the same thing every time could never be Bond: a few of the previous 007s haven't exactly had the broadest range! :)
    The previous Bonds who were limited in range (Moore / Brosnan) had at least played very much Bond-like roles prior to their casting. I don’t think the actor who plays Bond needs to be the best actor technically but I would like to see something vaguely in the wheelhouse of Bond in an actor’s CV.
    Otherwise, we may as well bring comedy actors and pornstars in the equation - maybe they could be Bond too! Seriously though, I’ve seen everything Keoghan has done since Love/Hate and it feels to me like he’s giving the same thing each time. He’s good at what he does but what he has brought to the table is very limited thus far.
  • buddyoldchapbuddyoldchap Formerly known as JeremyBondon
    edited July 21 Posts: 190
    meshypushy wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I think Keoghan is a very good actor, but it's quite funny to say that actors who do a variation of the same thing every time could never be Bond: a few of the previous 007s haven't exactly had the broadest range! :)
    The previous Bonds who were limited in range (Moore / Brosnan) had at least played very much Bond-like roles prior to their casting. I don’t think the actor who plays Bond needs to be the best actor technically but I would like to see something vaguely in the wheelhouse of Bond in an actor’s CV.
    Otherwise, we may as well bring comedy actors and pornstars in the equation - maybe they could be Bond too! Seriously though, I’ve seen everything Keoghan has done since Love/Hate and it feels to me like he’s giving the same thing each time. He’s good at what he does but what he has brought to the table is very limited thus far.

    Agree and with your previous post as well. Keoghan is a one trick pony, again, I will never get the buzz. Let alone him looking like a total cuck in between Turner and Butler. Meet Karen Keoghan.

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  • Informe_James_BondInforme_James_Bond Dominican Republic
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    In order to diversify the suggestions somewhat, has anyone already proposed the name of Fabien Frankel? Not that he would necessarily be my first choice for the role, but he is currently one of the main characters in a popular series (HBO's House of the Dragon), without being too famous yet.
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    I have it on my list. I think I mentioned it in this thread.

    ;)
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    In order to diversify the suggestions somewhat, has anyone already proposed the name of Fabien Frankel? Not that he would necessarily be my first choice for the role, but he is currently one of the main characters in a popular series (HBO's House of the Dragon), without being too famous yet.
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    Back in 2022 I said:
    Fabian Frankel (son of the late Mark Frankel) is playing Ser Criston Cole in House of the Dragon, and will almost certainly be picked up by the press as a potential Bond candidate, imo.

    https://www.imdb.com/name/nm8844328/?ref_=nm_mv_close

    Not done a great deal yet, though.
    He is very likeable in interviews but is overshadowed by others onscreen. He seems very well liked by the cast of HOTD and easy to work with, that might make up for his lack of experience.

    I’m a little surprised he’s not had a lot of speculation by the tabloids about becoming Bond, but I guess there are a lot of candidates.
  • edited July 21 Posts: 4,236
    Never heard of this guy. Not sure I've even heard people who've watched HOTD mention him.

    I can very much see why there's been no Bond rumour about him. He seems to have little name recognition (HOTD is essentially his first major thing from what I can tell). Can't speak to his acting ability/potential (although if he's being overshadowed by others onscreen in HOTD I don't think this is an actor at his peak, to put it nicely) so it's tricky to tell, but I can't see anything immediately Bondian about him.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Benny wrote: »
    I watched Chernobyl the other day. Barry Keoghan was in it. A decent actor but I couldn't see him as Bond. He pulled off the Russian peasant well enough.

    If Barry Keoghan was cast as James Bond, I think I’d walk.
    I’m all for giving an actor a chance but I don’t like Keoghan as an actor. I think he’s very overrated.

    Is there anything in particular you don't like about him? I don't think much of him either, I'm just curious what you think.

    He's too self assured and comes across as cocky. Whilst there's nothing wrong in being confident, Keoghan is overly confident.
    In interviews I've seen, he goes into his acting methods and how he finds the character. He comes across as if he'd taught Brando and Olivier how to act.
    He's just not my cup of tea.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Never heard of this guy. Not sure I've even heard people who've watched HOTD mention him.

    I can very much see why there's been no Bond rumour about him. He seems to have little name recognition (HOTD is essentially his first major thing from what I can tell). Can't speak to his acting ability/potential (although if he's being overshadowed by others onscreen in HOTD I don't think this is an actor at his peak, to put it nicely) so it's tricky to tell, but I can't see anything immediately Bondian about him.

    His character in the show is as a very handsome knight's guard of the crown, and he's supposed to be so hot that
    the Queen basically can't resist him at one point.
    But he plays it as sort of like, melancholy and depressed, not Bondian, but it could just be a directing choice.
  • I'm not exactly a top scout of talent but no names really inspire me to much. I think the trio of Turner, James and Suter are probably who I'd favour, and I'm interested to see how Nicholas Hoult does as Lex Luthor in Superman (although that film may disqualify him). He's about the right age and has flirted with big blockblusters without being recognisable, and I do like the look of him


    mtm wrote: »
    But you say it’s ‘unacceptable’ as if you have a choice to do anything else but accept it. When you can’t do anything about a situation, and it’s something pretty trivial anyway, I find it’s best not to worry about it. It’ll come when it comes.

    I say unacceptable as in invalid. It's like saying "because I can" when someone asks "why?" I mean sure yeah that's a reason but nobody would accept it as legitimate. As you say, though I'm in no position to challenge it.

    Anyway, on that whole "owe" debate, I think "owe" was language a bit too strong for what I was trying to convey. I meant to say that there's no reason for EON to deny updates (with the "because they can"/"don't owe us" logic) because it would be mutually beneficial (for their publicity and for the public). I suppose that's a far cry from what had been seeming to represent so apologies for that.
  • edited July 29 Posts: 350
    meshypushy wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I think Keoghan is a very good actor, but it's quite funny to say that actors who do a variation of the same thing every time could never be Bond: a few of the previous 007s haven't exactly had the broadest range! :)
    The previous Bonds who were limited in range (Moore / Brosnan) had at least played very much Bond-like roles prior to their casting. I don’t think the actor who plays Bond needs to be the best actor technically but I would like to see something vaguely in the wheelhouse of Bond in an actor’s CV.
    Otherwise, we may as well bring comedy actors and pornstars in the equation - maybe they could be Bond too! Seriously though, I’ve seen everything Keoghan has done since Love/Hate and it feels to me like he’s giving the same thing each time. He’s good at what he does but what he has brought to the table is very limited thus far.

    Agree and with your previous post as well. Keoghan is a one trick pony, again, I will never get the buzz. Let alone him looking like a total cuck in between Turner and Butler. Meet Karen Keoghan.

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    Unfortunately due to the harsh nature of social media (and in particular casual misandry (hatred of men)... Keoghan has been labelled rat boy.


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    If you type in Google or Bing:

    Barry Keoghan rat boy

    ... you get the misandry. Imagine if the term 'pig women' were used by men. The press and social media would be outraged - "how dare men refer to women actresses as looking like pigs!" - but sadly women can call men rat boys and it's deemed acceptable and not offensive. It's also worth mentioning the Jews were referred to as rats/rodents prior to the second world war so there is a history of negative connotation with the words rat/rodents.

    I personally don't see any Bond potential in Barry Keoghan - accepting Daniel Craig didn't look like the established Bond image but even so Keoghan looks even more removed from the image - and I think Eon would have a huge challenge to convince people he's Bond material.



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    See, I think Keoghan in theory isn’t that out of the box a choice. He’s effectively a character actor, he’s the right age, and he’s got the physicality (again, it’s not something that comes through very much when he’s playing certain characters, but you can see it in things like the end of Saltburn, and of course he’s an amateur boxer). While not exactly the image most people would have when they think of James Bond, I don’t think he’s a million miles away from such an image either, and not beyond moulding into the character (ie. Different haircut etc). Even when playing a psychotic weirdo in Saltburn I thought there were moments in that film where he portrayed much more charisma and magnetism than Jacob Elordi (whose performance is much more one note - effective, but he’s essentially playing a nice but dim posh boy, while Keoghan’s character has to convey often conflicting traits. Heck, he even has to seduce women in that film, be cold and calculating etc). Only major downside is he’s quite short, but even that’s not a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

    Not saying Keoghan ever will get the part or that he’s necessarily the actor I’d think best (I don’t think he’d even want to do it anyway). It’s more about what qualities we think showcase Bondian potential. As it is, I think Keoghan has much more Bond potential than people realise.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Yes. Bond is a white character. Elba = Good actor. Elba as Bond = Never.

    This.
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Yes. Bond is a white character. Elba = Good actor. Elba as Bond = Never.

    This.

    Does Bond have to be a straight, white, male? That's not the question to ask. The question to ask is, why wouldn't he be?
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited July 30 Posts: 1,658
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Yes. Bond is a white character. Elba = Good actor. Elba as Bond = Never.

    This.

    You people need to grow up and live in the real world. Why does Bond want to be white so bad? Why do you personally need him to be a certain race? I don't. Let's ask that question and see how some of you answer it.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited July 30 Posts: 3,154
    Thing is, even with a bit of 'reinventing' for Bond 26, EON aren't creating a character from scratch. Bond is white. That's the position we start from. Maybe the actual question should be why would anyone want to change that? Why would anyone want him to not be white? What's the impetus behind that?
    Having said that, I think that Sope Dirisu would make a great Bond. But that's not because I think that Bond should be 'raceswapped' or 'blackwashed', it's because Sope seems to have far more of the traits needed to play Bond than any of the other suggested candidates. IMO. Best man for the job - that's what should count, right?
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    The tricky thing about the “race card” is that it’s a two sided argument with points that aren’t necessarily wrong. On one hand, it should always come down to the best possible actor they could find, and if they just happen to be of another race that’s so be it; as long as they prove to be the right choice in the end. But at the same time, people always bang on about a lack of creativity in Hollywood so why not create OTHER heroes for people of other races to play and let the market decide if they’ll be successful? It’s not a racist argument to say that you don’t want something to stray too far from its original concept to the point where it becomes unrecognizable (although that’s already happened several times with Bond.) I think it all boils down to this superficial obsession that modern culture has with the concept of race.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    The tricky thing about the “race card” is that it’s a two sided argument with points that aren’t necessarily wrong. On one hand, it should always come down to the best possible actor they could find, and if they just happen to be of another race that’s so be it; as long as they prove to be the right choice in the end. But at the same time, people always bang on about a lack of creativity in Hollywood so why not create OTHER heroes for people of other races to play and let the market decide if they’ll be successful? It’s not a racist argument to say that you don’t want something to stray too far from its original concept to the point where it becomes unrecognizable (although that’s already happened several times with Bond.) I think it all boils down to this superficial obsession that modern culture has with the concept of race.

    It's Hollywood hypocrisy at its best. They can't create new icons. It's too risky.

    We have reboots, remakes, adaptations of 80-year-old characters...pop culture is almost dead.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Thing is, even with a bit of 'reinventing' for Bond 26, EON aren't creating a character from scratch. Bond is white. That's the position we start from. Maybe the actual question should be why would anyone want to change that? Why would anyone want him to not be white? What's the impetus behind that?
    Having said that, I think that Sope Dirisu would make a great Bond. But that's not because I think that Bond should be 'raceswapped' or 'blackwashed', it's because Sope seems to have far more of the traits needed to play Bond than any of the other suggested candidates. IMO. Best man for the job - that's what should count, right?

    As you say, the impetus to change it is that they meet an actor who's great, that's it.
    I can see Dirisu too.

    Can't really believe the conversation has swung this way again!
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    The tricky thing about the “race card” is that it’s a two sided argument with points that aren’t necessarily wrong. On one hand, it should always come down to the best possible actor they could find, and if they just happen to be of another race that’s so be it; as long as they prove to be the right choice in the end. But at the same time, people always bang on about a lack of creativity in Hollywood so why not create OTHER heroes for people of other races to play and let the market decide if they’ll be successful? It’s not a racist argument to say that you don’t want something to stray too far from its original concept to the point where it becomes unrecognizable (although that’s already happened several times with Bond.) I think it all boils down to this superficial obsession that modern culture has with the concept of race.

    It's Hollywood hypocrisy at its best. They can't create new icons. It's too risky.

    We have reboots, remakes, adaptations of 80-year-old characters...pop culture is almost dead.

    I think it’s less that Hollywood “can’t” create new icons and more that audiences have become so attached to the things they’ve grown to love that it became easier to continue funding the sequels, reboots and etc because there was at least some tiny guarantee of profit to be made.

    But we’re on the other side of that now. Things are much more unpredictable these days with regards to box office.
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    A preference for Bond being cast traditionally is not about not growing up and not living in the real world. If my preference for Bond is a white Brit that's a preference, not racism. Likewise, I prefer iconic Black characters remain black. Not interested in Easy Rawlins being played by a white actor, or Jim in Huckleberry Finn played by a white actor or a woman. I am a big fan of the Creed series with Michael B. Jordan, but I wouldn't want the character to be white in a reboot of the series.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    The tricky thing about the “race card” is that it’s a two sided argument with points that aren’t necessarily wrong. On one hand, it should always come down to the best possible actor they could find, and if they just happen to be of another race that’s so be it; as long as they prove to be the right choice in the end. But at the same time, people always bang on about a lack of creativity in Hollywood so why not create OTHER heroes for people of other races to play and let the market decide if they’ll be successful? It’s not a racist argument to say that you don’t want something to stray too far from its original concept to the point where it becomes unrecognizable (although that’s already happened several times with Bond.) I think it all boils down to this superficial obsession that modern culture has with the concept of race.

    It's Hollywood hypocrisy at its best. They can't create new icons. It's too risky.

    We have reboots, remakes, adaptations of 80-year-old characters...pop culture is almost dead.

    I think it’s less that Hollywood “can’t” create new icons and more that audiences have become so attached to the things they’ve grown to love that it became easier to continue funding the sequels, reboots and etc because there was at least some tiny guarantee of profit to be made.

    Yes, it's about branding ultimately. There's a bit less risk in investing megabucks in something where there's a bit of brand recognition which will help draw punters to the cinema. Ultimately it's not that different in concept to the idea of having film stars: people will go to the cinema if they recognise an actor's name above the film, because there's a suggestion that that name will mean quality.
    And we can hardly complain about it too much because we're in the glass house, wanting to see another film starring that famous character we all like!
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  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I don't mind Callum Turner, but I do think he'd need to leave his hair longer. The photo of him with short hair alongside, Keoghan and Butler isn't the most flattering in my opinion.
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