Who should/could be a Bond actor? *SPOILERS*

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    I do wonder if they go for someone closer to Moore or Brosnan since it’s been 15 years of seriousness.
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    mtm wrote: »
    I'd agree with that: Craig's been there a long time and a lot of folk have grown up with him- people in their 30s who are married and parents now were still in school when he became Bond. I think there's an expectation that the next guy will be different but needs to keep some of the things Craig brought to it. Being believably tough is one thing: I think if (young) Brosnan became Bond now he'd be a tough sell.
    If they went funnier/more charming then I think you'd want a Ryan Reynolds type: charismatic but still believably an action star. But he needs to have that X Factor where you can't take your eyes off him: that's where Connery and Craig excelled.

    I suspect the next Bond will very much be my children's Bond regardless. I don't have children yet but Craig's films are not something I think I can share with children of a reasonable age unlike, say, Moore's tenure. It's something for them in their teens if they are "into" Bond like I am.

    Do we live in different times now though? I remember being about 8 and watching TSLWM and LALD on ITV. The magic of it was how I got hooked.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Far, far, far, far, far, far, far away.
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    I think Jake Gyllenhaal could have been a good Bond.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah, if he were a Brit, or amazing at playing Brits, I'd go with that.
  • Posts: 13,418
    Zarozzor wrote: »
    I do wonder if they go for someone closer to Moore or Brosnan since it’s been 15 years of seriousness.

    I don't think Brosnan's tenure was that much lighter. Yes DAD was cartoonish (and I hated it), TND was probably more fun oriented than its direct predecessor, but all of them had at least a few dark moments and plenty of brutality. Not like LTK, but still.
  • One thing we need to remember is we all who post here are hardcore Bond fans. So we dwelve deeper into this than the average moviegoer. So when we talk about a guy like Aidan Turner as a potential Bond most see him as the guy from Poldark if that. Same with Nicolous Holt etc....they are mostly unknown to the average audience. The overwhelming majority of the people we mentioned here are not to famous to be cast as Bond.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Zarozzor wrote: »
    I do wonder if they go for someone closer to Moore or Brosnan since it’s been 15 years of seriousness.

    I don't think Brosnan's tenure was that much lighter. Yes DAD was cartoonish (and I hated it), TND was probably more fun oriented than its direct predecessor, but all of them had at least a few dark moments and plenty of brutality. Not like LTK, but still.

    That’s true. His tenure was no where near as light as Moore’s, and it had more of a mixture. GE and TWINE seemed more serious while TND and DAD seemed more fun. I can see them going for that balance again.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe JenaMaloneforBond.comModerator
    edited December 2021 Posts: 12,225
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Nobody made consensus back in 2004. Not Owen, not anyone. I'm not even sure Owen was that popular a prospect. That's what made that time so interesting: an interesting pool of potential candidates, but no heir apparent. And I will also add that Turner does not make consensus now.

    Depends on your definition of consensus within this little democracy we call mi6community. A while ago a lot of members voted and Turner won by a landslide, so in a way a consensus I'd argue.

    Jack O’Connell could batter Aidan Turner in a fight.

    Maybe that should be added as an extra way of auditioning. All the actors that want the job, have to fight for it, last man standing is hired.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Nobody made consensus back in 2004. Not Owen, not anyone. I'm not even sure Owen was that popular a prospect. That's what made that time so interesting: an interesting pool of potential candidates, but no heir apparent. And I will also add that Turner does not make consensus now.

    Depends on your definition of consensus within this little democracy we call mi6community. A while ago a lot of members voted and Turner won by a landslide, so in a way a consensus I'd argue.

    Jack O’Connell could batter Aidan Turner in a fight.

    Maybe that should be added as an extra way of auditioning. All the actors that want the job, have to fight for it, last man standing is hired.
    Set up a bracket for all of the actors who want to audition, and make them do the Bond vs Grant fight.
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    Nobody made consensus back in 2004. Not Owen, not anyone. I'm not even sure Owen was that popular a prospect. That's what made that time so interesting: an interesting pool of potential candidates, but no heir apparent. And I will also add that Turner does not make consensus now.

    Depends on your definition of consensus within this little democracy we call mi6community. A while ago a lot of members voted and Turner won by a landslide, so in a way a consensus I'd argue.

    Jack O’Connell could batter Aidan Turner in a fight.
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Babz is a hype woman. She knows how to play the game. Craig the best actor of his generation?
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    Craig is a good actor but for the most part his character pouted his way through 5 Bond films as if that's what makes Bond cool.
    When you look at how his predecessors carried themselves and walked into a room, there was a cool and natural sauntering, whereas with Craig, there's always something forced and exaggerated. I feel like Craig is overrated in the role and his performances are amplified by how largely well-made and crafted his films are.

    Again, Craig is a good actor but he's far from great imo, of course. I don't see anything in his performances that any competent actor could easily do. He didn't have to say much particularly in his first 3 Bond films but when he started talking more in the latter 2, especially in NTTD we got the cringe stuff we saw.

    It’s fine not to like his Bond, but watch him in Our Friends in the North and tell me he’s a good but not great actor. He’s not my
    favourite Bond (although he is up there now), but he’s by far the best actor to play the role imo.

    And I didn’t think his earier performances were just pouting (that steely detachment in his eyes doesn’t come naturally) or that his later performances were forced or exaggerated at all personally. If anything I thought he seemed more relaxed. He’s said that in CR, he thought Bond was a man who didn’t know very much about life, which I think says a lot about his earlier take on the character. He essentially started off emotionally stunted, and I think what Craig did well was loosen up as his Bond aged and grew with experience, while still not loosing sight of the pain behind the character in his downtime. That’s why what defined his Bond for me, and gave him his own identity. He was the dynamic Bond who actually grew and evolved.

    To be clear I never said and I'm not saying I don't like Craig. As I stated I think he's a good actor, I just don't think he's a great actor and I say this as someone who's seen OFiTN. Sure, I can appreciate Craig's Bond having an arc but frankly it was clumsily executed and tbh it's a bit beside the point. It's amazing how I can buy Lazenby as a more credible Bond than Craig and that's considering Lazenby's limitations and inexperience as an actor and yet, George was able to pull off the most emotional scene that showed Bond's vulnerability while keeping Bond's character in tact. Craig hasn't really done anything that we haven't seen before and tbh, it's been done better and far more naturalistic. It's as I said, any competent actor can do what Craig did with the role. Craig had the benefit of quality consistency which after DAD can be perceived as "genius" or highbrow which imo overstated his actual performances. I'm sure you'll disagree with everything I'm saying and that's fine.
    I'll be happy with a more classic character portrayal of the Bond character that marries the tone of Casino Royale. Craig's performances as Bond were good and were enjoyable up until SF but all this talk about the next actor having impossible shoes to fill is ridiculous and hyperbole of the highest order.



  • Posts: 13,418
    Zarozzor wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Zarozzor wrote: »
    I do wonder if they go for someone closer to Moore or Brosnan since it’s been 15 years of seriousness.

    I don't think Brosnan's tenure was that much lighter. Yes DAD was cartoonish (and I hated it), TND was probably more fun oriented than its direct predecessor, but all of them had at least a few dark moments and plenty of brutality. Not like LTK, but still.

    That’s true. His tenure was no where near as light as Moore’s, and it had more of a mixture. GE and TWINE seemed more serious while TND and DAD seemed more fun. I can see them going for that balance again.

    Somehow I think they will remain fairly dark. If only because it's what has been working for them these last few years. The series might lighten up, but not right away.
  • edited December 2021 Posts: 173
    Cavill knows Jiu-jitsu, so he beat any one. Funny how the fighting skills/physicality attributes can not be acted.
  • Posts: 13,418
    Cavill knows Jiu-jitsu, so he beat any one. Funny how the fighting skills/physicality attributes can not be acted.

    Doesn't mean anything. Another actor may know a martial art or a self defence technique. And there's a big difference between fighting in a dojo or a competition and fighting in proper combat situation.
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    Cavill knows Jiu-jitsu, so he beat any one. Funny how the fighting skills/physicality attributes can not be acted.

    Doesn't mean anything. Another actor may know a martial art or a self defence technique. And there's a big difference between fighting in a dojo or a competition and fighting in proper combat situation.

    Suppose so, i don't know if the others actors also train. It's just a hypothetical death-match between the candidates.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2021 Posts: 9,170
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Nobody made consensus back in 2004. Not Owen, not anyone. I'm not even sure Owen was that popular a prospect. That's what made that time so interesting: an interesting pool of potential candidates, but no heir apparent. And I will also add that Turner does not make consensus now.

    Depends on your definition of consensus within this little democracy we call mi6community. A while ago a lot of members voted and Turner won by a landslide, so in a way a consensus I'd argue.

    Jack O’Connell could batter Aidan Turner in a fight.

    Maybe that should be added as an extra way of auditioning. All the actors that want the job, have to fight for it, last man standing is hired.

    Ah; for a second there I thought you meant that all potential candidates should have to beat up Aidan Turner! :))
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Nobody made consensus back in 2004. Not Owen, not anyone. I'm not even sure Owen was that popular a prospect. That's what made that time so interesting: an interesting pool of potential candidates, but no heir apparent. And I will also add that Turner does not make consensus now.

    Depends on your definition of consensus within this little democracy we call mi6community. A while ago a lot of members voted and Turner won by a landslide, so in a way a consensus I'd argue.

    Jack O’Connell could batter Aidan Turner in a fight.
    Jimjambond wrote: »
    Babz is a hype woman. She knows how to play the game. Craig the best actor of his generation?
    dr-evil-how-about-no.gif

    Craig is a good actor but for the most part his character pouted his way through 5 Bond films as if that's what makes Bond cool.
    When you look at how his predecessors carried themselves and walked into a room, there was a cool and natural sauntering, whereas with Craig, there's always something forced and exaggerated. I feel like Craig is overrated in the role and his performances are amplified by how largely well-made and crafted his films are.

    Again, Craig is a good actor but he's far from great imo, of course. I don't see anything in his performances that any competent actor could easily do. He didn't have to say much particularly in his first 3 Bond films but when he started talking more in the latter 2, especially in NTTD we got the cringe stuff we saw.

    It’s fine not to like his Bond, but watch him in Our Friends in the North and tell me he’s a good but not great actor. He’s not my
    favourite Bond (although he is up there now), but he’s by far the best actor to play the role imo.

    And I didn’t think his earier performances were just pouting (that steely detachment in his eyes doesn’t come naturally) or that his later performances were forced or exaggerated at all personally. If anything I thought he seemed more relaxed. He’s said that in CR, he thought Bond was a man who didn’t know very much about life, which I think says a lot about his earlier take on the character. He essentially started off emotionally stunted, and I think what Craig did well was loosen up as his Bond aged and grew with experience, while still not loosing sight of the pain behind the character in his downtime. That’s why what defined his Bond for me, and gave him his own identity. He was the dynamic Bond who actually grew and evolved.

    To be clear I never said and I'm not saying I don't like Craig. As I stated I think he's a good actor, I just don't think he's a great actor and I say this as someone who's seen OFiTN. Sure, I can appreciate Craig's Bond having an arc but frankly it was clumsily executed and tbh it's a bit beside the point. It's amazing how I can buy Lazenby as a more credible Bond than Craig and that's considering Lazenby's limitations and inexperience as an actor and yet, George was able to pull off the most emotional scene that showed Bond's vulnerability while keeping Bond's character in tact.

    Well, we all see things differently, which is fine: but I really can't see that at all.
  • Posts: 206
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Nobody made consensus back in 2004. Not Owen, not anyone. I'm not even sure Owen was that popular a prospect. That's what made that time so interesting: an interesting pool of potential candidates, but no heir apparent. And I will also add that Turner does not make consensus now.

    Depends on your definition of consensus within this little democracy we call mi6community. A while ago a lot of members voted and Turner won by a landslide, so in a way a consensus I'd argue.

    Jack O’Connell could batter Aidan Turner in a fight.

    Maybe that should be added as an extra way of auditioning. All the actors that want the job, have to fight for it, last man standing is hired.

    Ah; for a second there I thought you meant that all potential candidates should have to beat up Aidan Turner! :))
    Turner would be the one beating up the other ones! While also completely nailing the FRWL screen test.
  • Posts: 13,418
    Zarozzor wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Nobody made consensus back in 2004. Not Owen, not anyone. I'm not even sure Owen was that popular a prospect. That's what made that time so interesting: an interesting pool of potential candidates, but no heir apparent. And I will also add that Turner does not make consensus now.

    Depends on your definition of consensus within this little democracy we call mi6community. A while ago a lot of members voted and Turner won by a landslide, so in a way a consensus I'd argue.

    Jack O’Connell could batter Aidan Turner in a fight.

    Maybe that should be added as an extra way of auditioning. All the actors that want the job, have to fight for it, last man standing is hired.

    Ah; for a second there I thought you meant that all potential candidates should have to beat up Aidan Turner! :))
    Turner would be the one beating up the other ones! While also completely nailing the FRWL screen test.

    We don't know that. Like I said, fighting in a controlled environment is nothing like fighting in real life.
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    Nobody made consensus back in 2004. Not Owen, not anyone. I'm not even sure Owen was that popular a prospect. That's what made that time so interesting: an interesting pool of potential candidates, but no heir apparent. And I will also add that Turner does not make consensus now.

    Depends on your definition of consensus within this little democracy we call mi6community. A while ago a lot of members voted and Turner won by a landslide, so in a way a consensus I'd argue.

    Jack O’Connell could batter Aidan Turner in a fight.

    Maybe that should be added as an extra way of auditioning. All the actors that want the job, have to fight for it, last man standing is hired.

    Haha that would be great. Could be an TV special. Get Graham Norton or someone to host it. Barbara and Micheal sat ringside. At the end Daniel Craig could come out to present the winner with a tuxedo. And didn’t Lazenby win the role by breaking a stuntman’s nose? So, there’s prescedent there.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Funnily enough, an old-time boxing match involving multiple combatants that went on until only one man was left standing was called a 'Battle Royale'! Seems fitting...
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2021 Posts: 9,170
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Nobody made consensus back in 2004. Not Owen, not anyone. I'm not even sure Owen was that popular a prospect. That's what made that time so interesting: an interesting pool of potential candidates, but no heir apparent. And I will also add that Turner does not make consensus now.

    Depends on your definition of consensus within this little democracy we call mi6community. A while ago a lot of members voted and Turner won by a landslide, so in a way a consensus I'd argue.

    Jack O’Connell could batter Aidan Turner in a fight.

    Maybe that should be added as an extra way of auditioning. All the actors that want the job, have to fight for it, last man standing is hired.

    Haha that would be great. Could be an TV special. Get Graham Norton or someone to host it. Barbara and Micheal sat ringside. At the end Daniel Craig could come out to present the winner with a tuxedo. And didn’t Lazenby win the role by breaking a stuntman’s nose? So, there’s prescedent there.

    Although Lewis Collins lost it by doing something similar!
    Zarozzor wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Nobody made consensus back in 2004. Not Owen, not anyone. I'm not even sure Owen was that popular a prospect. That's what made that time so interesting: an interesting pool of potential candidates, but no heir apparent. And I will also add that Turner does not make consensus now.

    Depends on your definition of consensus within this little democracy we call mi6community. A while ago a lot of members voted and Turner won by a landslide, so in a way a consensus I'd argue.

    Jack O’Connell could batter Aidan Turner in a fight.

    Maybe that should be added as an extra way of auditioning. All the actors that want the job, have to fight for it, last man standing is hired.

    Ah; for a second there I thought you meant that all potential candidates should have to beat up Aidan Turner! :))
    Turner would be the one beating up the other ones! While also completely nailing the FRWL screen test.

    I'm sure you'll be very happy together.
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    https://www.indiewire.com/2021/12/james-bond-next-007-british-male-any-race-1234684126/

    I like what I hear here. Seems like Fukunaga had a good partnership with the producers, and if he's up to it and has great original ideas to offer for a new Bond, I'd love to see him back. The biggest thing that gives me pause is that I didn't like the last victory lap attempt from the same director (Mendes SP); there has to be enough positive differences. Really hope they don't go for a super hard, origin story reset; I don't want one again after CR.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited December 2021 Posts: 982
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Nobody made consensus back in 2004. Not Owen, not anyone. I'm not even sure Owen was that popular a prospect. That's what made that time so interesting: an interesting pool of potential candidates, but no heir apparent. And I will also add that Turner does not make consensus now.

    Depends on your definition of consensus within this little democracy we call mi6community. A while ago a lot of members voted and Turner won by a landslide, so in a way a consensus I'd argue.

    Jack O’Connell could batter Aidan Turner in a fight.

    IF Jack could only hit Turner, that is. He does look like a cute miniature bouncer. Turner looks like Bond.

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    Also, please no more Fukunaga. He's a little too woke for me these days.

    Bring back the man, the myth Martin Campbell. One last time.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe JenaMaloneforBond.comModerator
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Nobody made consensus back in 2004. Not Owen, not anyone. I'm not even sure Owen was that popular a prospect. That's what made that time so interesting: an interesting pool of potential candidates, but no heir apparent. And I will also add that Turner does not make consensus now.

    Depends on your definition of consensus within this little democracy we call mi6community. A while ago a lot of members voted and Turner won by a landslide, so in a way a consensus I'd argue.

    Jack O’Connell could batter Aidan Turner in a fight.

    Maybe that should be added as an extra way of auditioning. All the actors that want the job, have to fight for it, last man standing is hired.

    Haha that would be great. Could be an TV special. Get Graham Norton or someone to host it. Barbara and Micheal sat ringside. At the end Daniel Craig could come out to present the winner with a tuxedo. And didn’t Lazenby win the role by breaking a stuntman’s nose? So, there’s prescedent there.

    He did, indeed. I think we're on to something here. But lets not have it on the PaedBC, how about ITV? Of course, it wouldn't be hosted by Graham Norton, but I could live with that.
    mtm wrote: »
    Although Lewis Collins lost it by doing something similar!

    Did he? I've heard that he made a quip about 'The Godfather', to Cubby's face. But I didn't know about anything else that happened. Collins would have made a fine Bond, Who Dares Wins showed that.
  • BennyBenny Classified Administrator, Moderator
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    In my mind Lewis Collins could've been a great Bond. Although if he did succeed Roger Moore, then we wouldn't have got Timothy Dalton.
    Collins did exude all the right Bondian requirements. It just wasn't to be. Who Dares Wins did seem like the film to showcase his talents as a potential Bond.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited December 2021 Posts: 596
    Apparently, Barbara Broccoli says the next guy to play Bond 'should be British' - but Turner's Irish, so...does that mean he's not even in the running? Surely they wouldn't be that strict if the best man for the job just happened to be born on the other side of the Irish Sea? Good job they didn't have a Brits-only rule in the past, eh?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I would think that actors from England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland would qualify.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Far, far, far, far, far, far, far away.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I would think that actors from England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland would qualify.

    And British Columbia.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I would think that actors from England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland would qualify.

    Yes, I'd hope so. And Ireland is, geographically, one of the British Isles. I wouldn't want to risk telling tell someone from the Republic of Ireland that they're 'British', though. It's caused a bit of trouble in the past...
  • Posts: 4,359
    Venutius wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I would think that actors from England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland would qualify.

    Yes, I'd hope so. And Ireland is, geographically, one of the British Isles. I wouldn't want to risk telling tell someone from the Republic of Ireland that they're 'British', though. It's caused a bit of trouble in the past...

    Dont even go there!!!!
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Barbra Broccoli:

    “In fact, she has little interest in discussing the next Bond. “I want to let this film play and really celebrate Daniel’s incredible achievement that he has done over 16 years,” she says. “People always ask, ‘Oh, who’s the next James Bond?’ It’s like asking a bride as she’s going up to the altar who’s her next husband going to be. I don’t really want to think about who is going to be the next person until I absolutely have to.”’

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/barbara-broccoli-profile-james-bond-1235058174/

    She’s been pretty clear and consistent on her stance re: films exploring the Bond universe without Bond (it’d be like making Hamlet without Hamlet); she’s also been consistent in not going the TV route.

    This article reveals a very witty, humble and savvy producer. Whether one agrees with her vision or not, she’s a trailblazer and a respected member of the film industry.
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