Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
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    Maybe Mr Cummerbund might be an option...

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    Dear God no.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I came across this fantastic recent article on FRWL, which pretty much sums up in a nutshell why it's my favourite film in the franchise by some distance, and why I'd like the film after Craig departs to follow this template (as per my earlier comments a few posts up).

    http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/james-bond/243786/from-russia-with-love-the-high-point-of-the-james-bond-franchise
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Where do I hope they take the series? I hope we get back to less personal missions and just have a straight forward mission. As FRWL shows you can still have lots of drama without the personal ties. I hope we get a little lighter in tone, not to the extent of the some of the groaners of the Brosnan era. But the wry and dry humour of the Connery Bond movies. (I think he got the point.)

    Where do I think the Bond producers will take things? I think we will see more personal missions (they seem to think this type of thing plays well with the audience how else to explain no straight forward mission since TLD?) I think we will see a return to some bigger stunts.

    It shall be interesting to see.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I came across this fantastic recent article on FRWL, which pretty much sums up in a nutshell why it's my favourite film in the franchise by some distance, and why I'd like the film after Craig departs to follow this template (as per my earlier comments a few posts up).

    http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/james-bond/243786/from-russia-with-love-the-high-point-of-the-james-bond-franchise
    Agree with this. I, too, have been championing the FRWL template - it was my number one Bond film since 1995, and probably still is (it's becoming more difficult to rate the films these days).

    I'm not sure I'd call it the one single high point of the franchise - there have been many peaks - but a suspenseful espionage thriller on a tighter budget is definitely what we need.

    I'd love to see more of Spectre Island in a future film. It could be a natural progression following on from the last film, and dare I say, make a great title.

    P.S. Somehow, there are 4 year old comments to this 'new' article...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    QBranch wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I came across this fantastic recent article on FRWL, which pretty much sums up in a nutshell why it's my favourite film in the franchise by some distance, and why I'd like the film after Craig departs to follow this template (as per my earlier comments a few posts up).

    http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/james-bond/243786/from-russia-with-love-the-high-point-of-the-james-bond-franchise
    Agree with this. I, too, have been championing the FRWL template - it was my number one Bond film since 1995, and probably still is (it's becoming more difficult to rate the films these days).

    I'm not sure I'd call it the one single high point of the franchise - there have been many peaks - but a suspenseful espionage thriller on a tighter budget is definitely what we need.
    I agree. The key elements for me are suspense, sophistication and atmosphere. FRWL has bucketloads of this.
    QBranch wrote: »
    I'd love to see more of Spectre Island in a future film. It could be a natural progression following on from the last film, and dare I say, make a great title.
    I'd be open to it, if it's done well.
    QBranch wrote: »
    P.S. Somehow, there are 4 year old comments to this 'new' article...
    You're correct. Strange. Maybe they bumped the article because there is a recent comment post as well.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    They need a lighter touch. Not a full blown romp, but something more playful.

    I think Goldeneye is a good guideline.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    They need a lighter touch. Not a full blown romp, but something more playful.

    I think Goldeneye is a good guideline.
    I'd be quite open to that also. GE was an excellent film to come back with after six long years. One of the best.
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    If we get another incredibly long gap after B25, especially with a new actor taking over, I'd be thrilled if the series went back for a GoldenEye style.
  • edited October 2018 Posts: 17,241
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    If we get another incredibly long gap after B25, especially with a new actor taking over, I'd be thrilled if the series went back for a GoldenEye style.

    Totally agree. The difference in tone between LTK and GE is quite interesting come to think of it. Might do a double feature with those two films at some point.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    If we get another incredibly long gap after B25, especially with a new actor taking over, I'd be thrilled if the series went back for a GoldenEye style.

    Totally agree. The difference in tone between LTK and GE is quite interesting come to think of it. Might do a double feature with those two films at some point.

    One of the elements I love about GE is that after LTK it completely embraces classic Bond formula, updated a bit of course. I really think that's what we need now.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    If we get another incredibly long gap after B25, especially with a new actor taking over, I'd be thrilled if the series went back for a GoldenEye style.

    Totally agree. The difference in tone between LTK and GE is quite interesting come to think of it. Might do a double feature with those two films at some point.

    One of the elements I love about GE is that after LTK it completely embraces classic Bond formula, updated a bit of course. I really think that's what we need now.

    It's the element I enjoy most about GE, actually. That, and the throwback to the Cold War. I think a lot of audiences would want a direction like that too, as the "popcorn" element of the Bond films went out the window in the Craig era.
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    I've said this so many times they've needed a goldeneye type film for a while now, after this 5 year gap audiences might expect or want that and be disappointed
  • edited October 2018 Posts: 15,785
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I've said this so many times they've needed a goldeneye type film for a while now, after this 5 year gap audiences might expect or want that and be disappointed

    One of the things that bothers me the most with B25 and this particular gap, is that it's not the beginning of a new era, but the end of one that's seemingly becoming tired.

    After a gap of 3-4 years movie-goers tend to move on. Cubby knew this and Eon pulled out all the stops getting current and new audiences interested in Bond for GE. Barbara and Michael did the same thing with CR by tweaking the formula and giving us a reasonably faithful adaptation/updating of the novel.
    Here we have a gap worthy of the start of a new era, yet it's probably Craig's last. This leads me to feel we probably won't get another Bond film after B25 for a long time.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Coincidentally, it will be the 25th anniversary of GE in 2020. Keep the faith. I think we will all be pleasantly surprised by what we get.
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    B26 probably won't come until 2023 at the earliest. Let that sink in.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Coincidentally, it will be the 25th anniversary of GE in 2020. Keep the faith. I think we will all be pleasantly surprised by what we get.

    Good memories of GE in any way. We will have to wait what Bond 25 will deliver, as long as it is better than SP we are being treated with respect.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    B26 probably won't come until 2023 at the earliest. Let that sink in.

    60th anniversary of FRWL, 50th anniversary of LALD and 40th Anniversary of Octopussy.

    The excitement will be palpable finally for a new take on the worlds most icon secret agent!

    I'm already looking forward to it. ;)
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    B26 probably won't come until 2023 at the earliest. Let that sink in.

    60th anniversary of FRWL, 50th anniversary of LALD and 40th Anniversary of Octopussy.

    The excitement will be palpable finally for a new take on the worlds most icon secret agent!

    I'm already looking forward to it. ;)

    Me too. The Craig 'arc' feels incredibly stale and tired to me now. Remarkable, really. I was so enthused for what he could/would bring after CR.

    The sheer sourness and pretention of what followed a wonderful debut for him has truly soured my enjoyment of his portrayal.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Roadphill wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    B26 probably won't come until 2023 at the earliest. Let that sink in.

    60th anniversary of FRWL, 50th anniversary of LALD and 40th Anniversary of Octopussy.

    The excitement will be palpable finally for a new take on the worlds most icon secret agent!

    I'm already looking forward to it. ;)

    Me too. The Craig 'arc' feels incredibly stale and tired to me now. Remarkable, really. I was so enthused for what he could/would bring after CR.

    The sheer sourness and pretention of what followed a wonderful debut for him has truly soured my enjoyment of his portrayal.

    If they wanted to celebrate the landmark anniversary of those films and Dr No at 60, they could film two movies back to back, with a new actor in the role. That would be a perfect time.
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    bondjames wrote: »

    Key to making this successful will be the right man in the tux. I think after what we've had recently, we must go back to tall, dark and handsome...and essentially suave. Someone who is instantly credible physically and personality wise with the opposite sex. We have to believe (without a shadow of a doubt) that he can turn on any woman by his presence. As Fukunaga appropriately said, he must be plausible as a 'quintessential panty dropper'. Why? Well because some of what they used to show us in the past likely can't be shown anymore due to the sensitive times. Therefore the actor himself must embody these characteristics credibly. I'd personally prefer someone who also conveys intelligence and a sense of mystery.

    The film which most characterizes and encapsulates the atmosphere and style that I want to see post-Craig is FRWL. Think the PTS, the Hagia Sophia, The Orient Express or the Bond/Tania intro scenes in particular. Incomparable confidence, sophistication, class and mystery without breaking the bank.

    I disagree. The key will be getting good writers that understand the character. And the right director to bring a more authentic vision of Fleming's creation to the screen.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The_Reaper wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »

    Key to making this successful will be the right man in the tux. I think after what we've had recently, we must go back to tall, dark and handsome...and essentially suave. Someone who is instantly credible physically and personality wise with the opposite sex. We have to believe (without a shadow of a doubt) that he can turn on any woman by his presence. As Fukunaga appropriately said, he must be plausible as a 'quintessential panty dropper'. Why? Well because some of what they used to show us in the past likely can't be shown anymore due to the sensitive times. Therefore the actor himself must embody these characteristics credibly. I'd personally prefer someone who also conveys intelligence and a sense of mystery.

    The film which most characterizes and encapsulates the atmosphere and style that I want to see post-Craig is FRWL. Think the PTS, the Hagia Sophia, The Orient Express or the Bond/Tania intro scenes in particular. Incomparable confidence, sophistication, class and mystery without breaking the bank.

    I disagree. The key will be getting good writers that understand the character. And the right director to bring a more authentic vision of Fleming's creation to the screen.
    I agree that good writers will be key but disagree on an authentic vision of Fleming's creation. Most of the audience who see these films globally don't even know who Fleming is, let alone having read his books. The cinematic creation is its own beast, with its own expectations. That's not to say that a more Fleming specific Bond film cannot be made from time to time. In my view, its' best left for the first two of the new actor's tenure because they normally start small prior to going more fantastical as the tenure proceeds.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited December 2018 Posts: 5,921
    thedove wrote: »
    Where do I hope they take the series? I hope we get back to less personal missions and just have a straight forward mission. As FRWL shows you can still have lots of drama without the personal ties. I hope we get a little lighter in tone, not to the extent of the some of the groaners of the Brosnan era. But the wry and dry humour of the Connery Bond movies. (I think he got the point.)

    Where do I think the Bond producers will take things? I think we will see more personal missions (they seem to think this type of thing plays well with the audience how else to explain no straight forward mission since TLD?) I think we will see a return to some bigger stunts.

    It shall be interesting to see.

    Yes but FRWL was 1963...

    Die Hard changed the game in 1985 and Lethal Weapon upped it. Every mission is personal now. No reason to believe that will change.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Die Hard came out in 1988.
  • AlexAlex United Kingdom
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    I think Jason Connery stepped into his father's
    Shoes in"SPYMAKER"the secret life of ian fleming"THAT WAS! a good style bond movie!
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Die Hard came out in 1988.

    Oops. And the last non-personal Bond mission was TLD. 1987.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited December 2018 Posts: 4,053
    Get rid of Purvis and Wade and get Anthony Horowitz to adapt Forever and a Day! It's arguably the best thing to do after Craig leaves for good. Reboot the reboot! Keep Ralph Fiennes as M (as Miles Get rid of Purvis and Wade and get Anthony Horowitz to adapt Forever and a Day! It's arguably the best thing to do after Craig leaves for good. Reboot the reboot! Keep Ralph Fiennes as M (this time as Miles), please. Also, start bringing in characters from the novels that haven't appeared on screen yet. Namely, Loelia Ponsonby and May Maxwell.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    That's not to say that a more Fleming specific Bond film cannot be made from time to time. In my view, its' best left for the first two of the new actor's tenure because they normally start small prior to going more fantastical as the tenure proceeds.

    Very true, this. Although it got me thinking. How would we react to a faithful adaptation of a Fleming's novel? I mean faithful to the bone, even regarding the character of Bond, looks wise and all. Down to the very structure and organic of the book. I, for one, know I would love it, even over the cinematic Bond. But to each their own, I know many would prefer the cinematic Bond and the formula. I'm not saying I would want just one or the other. But I would love to have both. With this TV craze that's going on, maybe a big British tv production? Set in the 50's? You'l say they made Fleming, the Man who would be Bond. But that's not the same, is it? No, I say a truly faithful adaptation. 10 episodes of the finest quality. I mean Granada quality (thinking of Holmes and Poirot here). A Downton Abbey production value series. With brilliant character actors portraying all the book character we hardcore fans love. I would be all for it.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited December 2018 Posts: 23,883
    Univex wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    That's not to say that a more Fleming specific Bond film cannot be made from time to time. In my view, its' best left for the first two of the new actor's tenure because they normally start small prior to going more fantastical as the tenure proceeds.

    Very true, this. Although it got me thinking. How would we react to a faithful adaptation of a Fleming's novel? I mean faithful to the bone, even regarding the character of Bond, looks wise and all. Down to the very structure and organic of the book. I, for one, know I would love it, even over the cinematic Bond. But to each their own, I know many would prefer the cinematic Bond and the formula. I'm not saying I would want just one or the other. But I would love to have both. With this TV craze that's going on, maybe a big British tv production? Set in the 50's? You'l say they made Fleming, the Man who would be Bond. But that's not the same, is it? No, I say a truly faithful adaptation. 10 episodes of the finest quality. I mean Granada quality (thinking of Holmes and Poirot here). A Downton Abbey production value series. With brilliant character actors portraying all the book character we hardcore fans love. I would be all for it.
    I think that would be a great idea to satiate fans of the original novels in principle, but I think the issue they may have is control of the brand. Such an exercise would have to be contained and distinct from the cinematic equivalent. There is a risk that it either wouldn't be all that successful (although I admit that is unlikely) or conversely that it may in fact create a lot of buzz, and change expectations of what to expect from the main films. To a degree, I think Marvel may have experienced this with some of their Netflix releases, which is perhaps why they are slowly pulling them out.

    So despite the allure and possible commercial benefits, they may still choose to keep everything within the cinematic framework in order to protect branding.

    I have significant issues with having Craig back for one more as a 'continuation story' as opposed to an 'ageless' standalone however. I can't tell you how wrong I feel that is, in the context of the future of this franchise.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited December 2018 Posts: 5,921
    Univex wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    That's not to say that a more Fleming specific Bond film cannot be made from time to time. In my view, its' best left for the first two of the new actor's tenure because they normally start small prior to going more fantastical as the tenure proceeds.

    Very true, this. Although it got me thinking. How would we react to a faithful adaptation of a Fleming's novel? I mean faithful to the bone, even regarding the character of Bond, looks wise and all. Down to the very structure and organic of the book. I, for one, know I would love it, even over the cinematic Bond. But to each their own, I know many would prefer the cinematic Bond and the formula. I'm not saying I would want just one or the other. But I would love to have both. With this TV craze that's going on, maybe a big British tv production? Set in the 50's? You'l say they made Fleming, the Man who would be Bond. But that's not the same, is it? No, I say a truly faithful adaptation. 10 episodes of the finest quality. I mean Granada quality (thinking of Holmes and Poirot here). A Downton Abbey production value series. With brilliant character actors portraying all the book character we hardcore fans love. I would be all for it.

    It would likely tank. Today's audience expects a modern Bond. The brilliance of Cubby was that he did just that.
  • edited December 2018 Posts: 6,665
    bondjames wrote: »
    I have significant issues with having Craig back for one more as a 'continuation story' as opposed to an 'ageless' standalone however. I can't tell you how wrong I feel that is, in the context of the future of this franchise.

    Yes, I must say, I do too. I was hoping for an ageless standalone film with Craig and by Fukunaga's lenses. This continuation angle is a sharp one, dangerous at that. Not smart sharp, but dangerously sharp.
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