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  • edited November 2015 Posts: 5,745
    I'll have to reconsider the list of 24, but thereabouts.

    (this was a double post on accident, edited for substance)
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    Even Martin Campbell said 'QOS' was a 'lousy' film. Mind you its his fault as well, for not taking on 'QOS' and finishing off what he had started off with in 'CR'.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    mepal1 wrote: »
    Even Martin Campbell said 'QOS' was a 'lousy' film. Mind you its his fault as well, for not taking on 'QOS' and finishing off what he had started off with in 'CR'.
    That would have had the directorial continuity needed IMHO.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    mepal1 wrote: »
    Even Martin Campbell said 'QOS' was a 'lousy' film. Mind you its his fault as well, for not taking on 'QOS' and finishing off what he had started off with in 'CR'.
    That would have had the directorial continuity needed IMHO.

    The thought alone is giving me a boner :D
    QOS by Martin Campbell would have made it a Top 5 movie at least!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    mepal1 wrote: »
    Even Martin Campbell said 'QOS' was a 'lousy' film. Mind you its his fault as well, for not taking on 'QOS' and finishing off what he had started off with in 'CR'.

    While I admire and love the man's work in the series, I couldn't care less what Campbell's opinion is on QoS. I love it and that's all I need.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    The thought alone is giving me a boner :D
    I'll file that under "too much information."
    ;)
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    mepal1 wrote: »
    Even Martin Campbell said 'QOS' was a 'lousy' film. Mind you its his fault as well, for not taking on 'QOS' and finishing off what he had started off with in 'CR'.
    That would have had the directorial continuity needed IMHO.

    The thought alone is giving me a boner :D
    QOS by Martin Campbell would have made it a Top 5 movie at least!

    .......well at least the action scenes would of been more coherent, and the rest of the film would of been played out at a slightly slower pace, so the audience could absorb the story, and get more into the film!

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2015 Posts: 23,883
    I think I'm going to watch QoS tomorrow on blu. Then I'll catch SP later this week one last time in the theatre. They sort of go together imho, with the White reference and all.

    I wonder if I'll look at him and the film differently now, given I know the associations with SPECTRE.

    PS: QoS is a phenomenally beautiful film on blu ray. All the colours just pop...
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 161
    So I watched FRWL tonight, and I'm now even more frustrated with the way they have portrayed Blofeld in SP. He was this mysterious figure, pulling the strings on all of these schemes, playing different countries off of each other, and you don't see his face! He's credited with a "?" for goodness sake! When he's revealed later on, it's such a huge moment!

    All of a sudden "Oh, Blofeld has been behind everything the whole time" in SP doesn't work for me. I know why there's no evidence otherwise, but why aren't they taking the time to build suspense now? It's such a waste...
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I wonder if I'll look at him and the film differently now, given I know the associations with SPECTRE.
    It makes it all better for ME, I'll tell ya!
    bondjames wrote: »
    PS: QoS is a phenomenally beautiful film on blu ray. All the colours just pop...
    Oh my, yes!
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    CR is the only Craig Bond directed by a director with extensive experience in the action/thriller genre.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    CR is the only Craig Bond directed by a director with extensive experience in the action/thriller genre.
    And it shows.......boy does it show.

  • bondjames wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    CR is the only Craig Bond directed by a director with extensive experience in the action/thriller genre.
    And it shows.......boy does it show.

    I'm sorry? I think "The Mask Of Zorro" and "The Green Lantern" were pretty mediocre family action movies. Yes, Campbell did wonderful stuff to the Bond franchise, but outside of that he disappointed me.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    bondjames wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    CR is the only Craig Bond directed by a director with extensive experience in the action/thriller genre.
    And it shows.......boy does it show.

    I'm sorry? I think "The Mask Of Zorro" and "The Green Lantern" were pretty mediocre family action movies. Yes, Campbell did wonderful stuff to the Bond franchise, but outside of that he disappointed me.

    Legend Of Zorro was magnificent, Mr. Graves. Don't make me come over there... :))
  • chrisisall wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    CR is the only Craig Bond directed by a director with extensive experience in the action/thriller genre.
    And it shows.......boy does it show.

    I'm sorry? I think "The Mask Of Zorro" and "The Green Lantern" were pretty mediocre family action movies. Yes, Campbell did wonderful stuff to the Bond franchise, but outside of that he disappointed me.

    Legend Of Zorro was magnificent, Mr. Graves. Don't make me come over there... :))

    "Legend Of Zorro" yes. Well, I found it cheesy kids fun. Nothing else.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    "Legend Of Zorro" yes. Well, I found it cheesy kids fun. Nothing else.
    *virtual smackdown sent*
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    I didn't realise until just now that Martin Campbell, was the oldest director of a Bond film when he made CR...........he was 62 years old then.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    mepal1 wrote: »
    I didn't realise until just now that Martin Campbell, was the oldest director of a Bond film when he made CR...........he was 62 years old then.
    He was a young 62...

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    chrisisall wrote: »
    mepal1 wrote: »
    I didn't realise until just now that Martin Campbell, was the oldest director of a Bond film when he made CR...........he was 62 years old then.
    He was a young 62...

    Holy cow thinking back I thought maybe 50.
  • Been busy though watched it shortly after release, prefered it to SF though I am like a few others disappointed as a whole, ill add it did have its moments. It's not a bad film, probably floats between 10 and 20 placing for me at this point. I think much of the disappointment is with the reintroduction of Spectre, I expected more. Craig's performance is erratic, bounces from some of his poorest Bond moments to some top moments.
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    QOS was doomed from the start, it followed CR.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    CR is the only Craig Bond directed by a director with extensive experience in the action/thriller genre.
    And it shows.......boy does it show.
    Yes it sure does. CR is the only one of the 4 reboot films that moves along like a Bond film if that makes any sense. Campbell of course also directed the reasonably excellent GE.
    Forster and Mendes are different kinds of storytellers.
    CR I think is the best made film of the bunch, however my favourite of the 4 is SP, mainly because Craig finally gets to play Bond sans issues, and he does deliver, which is such a relief.
    SP is the only reboot film where I can enjoy Craig's performance all the way through.
    And of course bringing back Blofeld, Spectre and cat, plus Nehru jacket and scar is manna from heaven.
    So I can forgive Mendes for the Ernst bg story, as he came through big time in these other two areas.
    But I do think it be time that Sam moved on.
    There are no more Bond childhood stories to tell, at least there better not be. grrrr.

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    timmer wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    CR is the only Craig Bond directed by a director with extensive experience in the action/thriller genre.
    And it shows.......boy does it show.
    Yes it sure does. CR is the only one of the 4 reboot films that moves along like a Bond film if that makes any sense. Campbell of course also directed the reasonably excellent GE.
    Forster and Mendes are different kinds of storytellers.
    CR I think is the best made film of the bunch, however my favourite of the 4 is SP, mainly because Craig finally gets to play Bond sans issues, and he does deliver, which is such a relief.
    SP is the only reboot film where I can enjoy Craig's performance all the way through.
    And of course bringing back Blofeld, Spectre and cat, plus Nehru jacket and scar is manna from heaven.
    So I can forgive Mendes for the Ernst bg story, as he came through big time in these other two areas.
    But I do think it be time that Sam moved on.
    There are no more Bond childhood stories to tell, at least there better not be. grrrr.

    But now Bond and Blofeld have a future together, so to speak. The beginning of a beautiful enmity.
  • For all the bad reviews spectre's getting, I really do think people are forgetting that is a bond film. Yes Sam Mendes is an actors director and he adds a lot of back story to the films, but both of his films both do feel like bond films in my opinion. Most people where wanting the bond of old to return and that's the very thing they are using to slate Spectre. I thought the story was excellent, yes it has holes but the overall experience was enjoyable. I especially enjoyed the finale in London when it all came together, it felt like closure. I also enjoyed the soundtrack, yes their where elements of skyfalls soundtrack in it but i also think their's enough originality for it to stand on its own. Each to their own I guess :) It's not as good as goldfinger or OHMSS or even Casino Royale imo but i would still place it well within my top 10!
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    timmyv123 wrote: »
    For all the bad reviews spectre's getting, I really do think people are forgetting that is a bond film. Yes Sam Mendes is an actors director and he adds a lot of back story to the films, but both of his films both do feel like bond films in my opinion. Most people where wanting the bond of old to return and that's the very thing they are using to slate Spectre. I thought the story was excellent, yes it has holes but the overall experience was enjoyable. I especially enjoyed the finale in London when it all came together, it felt like closure. I also enjoyed the soundtrack, yes their where elements of skyfalls soundtrack in it but i also think their's enough originality for it to stand on its own. Each to their own I guess :) It's not as good as goldfinger or OHMSS or even Casino Royale imo but i would still place it well within my top 10!

    I loved SP until the final 30 minutes or so. It wasn't a lack of closure, it was a lack of building tension between Bond and Blofeld.

    I can't think of any Bond film in which the climactic scenes were so lacking in urgency and excitement. His back wasn't against a wall. There was no final battle or fight. Bond didn't need cunning to "escape" or win. He simply shot his gun (TWICE) and in both cases, he wasn't even under any kind of duress.

    At the lair, there is no major gun battle. He shoots a gas line (so poorly placed) and blows the whole place up. One thing for sure: Blofeld and Spectre don't exactly know how to build lairs.

    In London, Bond merely fires at a helicopter and brings it down. Whoopee. (And I won't go into the lunacy of letting Madeleine walk off, into the night, knowing she is still at risk. Those calling Bond an idiot for taking M to Skyfall need to explain this one.)

    I mentioned this earlier: I find it ironic (and effective) that Blofeld is in a helicopter when captured...pairs nicely with his demise in FYEO. But that terrific helicopter fight in the PTS would have been better served in London, with Bond having yet ANOTHER encounter with Hinx. The whirling and the barrel roll would have worked great against a lit London skyline. *Sigh*

    Don't get me wrong: SP is a beautiful film, up to that point. I can tell that whatever script changes that were made to the last act were done quickly and without much thought. The film falls apart. It's a shame.




  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    TripAces wrote: »
    I loved SP until the final 30 minutes or so. It wasn't a lack of closure, it was a lack of building tension between Bond and Blofeld.
    Agreed.
    TripAces wrote: »
    I can't think of any Bond film in which the climactic scenes were so lacking in urgency and excitement.
    I think TWINE gives it a run for its money in many cases, but yes, this was a problem here imho
    TripAces wrote: »
    There was no final battle or fight. Bond didn't need cunning to "escape" or win. He simply shot his gun (TWICE) and in both cases, he wasn't even under any kind of duress.

    At the lair, there is no major gun battle. He shoots a gas line (so poorly placed) and blows the whole place up. One thing for sure: Blofeld and Spectre don't exactly know how to build lairs.

    In London, Bond merely fires at a helicopter and brings it down. Whoopee. (And I won't go into the lunacy of letting Madeleine walk off, into the night, knowing she is still at risk. Those calling Bond an idiot for taking M to Skyfall need to explain this one
    Agreed again
    TripAces wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong: SP is a beautiful film, up to that point. I can tell that whatever script changes that were made to the last act were done quickly and without much thought. The film falls apart. It's a shame.
    Very true. Number one thing they must get right next time. Don't start production until the script is right.

    I have a feeling Mendes and Logan may have gone off on a tangent at the end trying to make an SF 2 with deep connective tissue (apparently they were supposed to actually be brothers or something like that) and that just got too much......so it all had to be reined in.

    Unfortunately what they were left with just ended up being disjointed.....with no emotional resonance where there should be and flat tacked on last minute action scenes at the end just to wrap it up.
  • So i have just returned from my 3rd viewing of SP and I now feel ready to write a review. I am also new to the community.

    I was dissapointed on 1st view, much more appreciative of its look and feel on the 2nd view and now on 3rd view I think this will be a Bond I will comfortably watch over and over again. But it took me 3 sittings to get to that opinion.

    Why? Well, I think i was nervous for it on first view and was sort of wanting another CR /SF gritty kind of Bourne meets DC Bond experience. But with more class, not just a modern spy / double cross chase caper a la QOS. In short a kind of CR v2. And SP isnt that. It so isnt that. Which is why I think US critics tended to dismiss it. (Plus it feels very UK/ european, nothing much in this as reference points for the US viewer, bar Mexico). On second view the scale and sheer beauty of the spectacle becomes apparent. It is wonderfully photographed on film - softer sepias for Rome and Tangier, bleachier for ghostly effect with ESB torture and richer, deeper for darker tones in thr boardoom meeting. Kubrick would be proud. Eyes wide Shut/ 2001 space odyssey. The costuming and design are impeccable - the guest rooms in ESB base are like Monocle adverts bouncing off the screen for fresh mid century modern design. The stunts are delicious and Mendes lights and photographs the leading ladies to perfection. So whats not to like? The clunky plot, the off beat final third i hear you say. Well, find me a tight realistic plot even in our favourite Bond films from any era. TSWLM? Goldfinger? OHMSS? CR? Really? Go with the fantasy and enjoy the escapism, that was Flemings spirit in writing out these novellas. What spy actually drives an Aston Martin. Harry Palmer, 007 is not. To this end, on 3rd viewing SP really took off for me. It flew past and felt sassy, sexy, too cool for school and ridiculous all at the same time. Made me want to be in a white tuxedo having a vodka martini dirty in some wonderful 1940s train dining car going thru the desert opposite the best red lips this side of my wifes...that is so Bond. And that is worth the cinema ticket alone. To escape like that. I could go on but to cap it I would say that Sam Smiths WOTW really works for me in this context. The avoidance of a big finale which hints at but steers clear of too many orchestrals - modern and timeless at the same time, versus - dare I say it - Adeles more predictable, heartily deliverd Bond theme power ballad. How you feel about WOTW is perhaps a good metaphor for how you feel about SP. When you really think about them they both artfully deliver you Bond, they both give you just enough homage, but avoid the pastiche.
    So yes SP does have a different gearing in its 3rd act, which is perhaps its main weakness. My guess is because this is a tee up for B25. Our OHMSS variation where somehing tragic happens at the wedding after ESB escapes. Cleverly I think our Producers have left it open. If the BO likes the lighter escapist tone that could continue; if its clear thst the audience prefers grittie, we can go back to that. Eiither which way, I think we would do well to look at SP post B25 in 5 years time and I suspect - like its stickiness at the BO as word of mouth goes round - it will emerge as a strong contribution to the canon. I would conclude that the ensemble cast for SP is probably the highest calibre for any 007 and DC absolutely nails it IMHO. SP up there in the top 3 with CR being one of the others. A $900m/ $1bn series for the last 2 entries, with no sense of duplication.. That all sounds marvelous..
  • Tuck91 wrote: »
    QOS was doomed from the start, it followed CR.

    Not if Campbell stayed for QOS. I really think if he looks back on it now, he must think.....'I should have done QOS'. I'm pretty certain QOS would have been more coherent then, not falling into Forster's trap of making the film more arty, more 'arthouse'-y.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    QOS was doomed from the start, it followed CR.

    Not if Campbell stayed for QOS. I really think if he looks back on it now, he must think.....'I should have done QOS'. I'm pretty certain QOS would have been more coherent then, not falling into Forster's trap of making the film more arty, more 'arthouse'-y.
    Actually, that was a reason that Mendes gave for coming back for SP. To finish off his story with his characters that he created (MP.Q. M). He may have also been trying to avoid the QoS effect. Having said that, I enjoy QoS a lot. Pacing is absolutely superb......there is nothing wasted in that film.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Carlysimon wrote: »
    So yes SP does have a different gearing in its 3rd act, which is perhaps its main weakness.
    I loved it. I LIKE the difference in gear shift. But then, I never HAD to have a film perform to my expectations as long as it made me want it watch it over & over again... :))
    And WELCOME, btw! :)>-
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