Is Skyfall losing its gloss and appeal ?

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    Yes, this is pretty much my opinion too, Infact I love the Scotland finish, some
    great scenes, and beautifully filmed.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
    Posts: 1,812
    Honestly when Skyfall first released I wasn't that impressed by it. I enjoyed it but I think the hype for it is what brought it down for me by the time I saw it. I was expecting it to be in my top three but it wasn't. Today it has only gotten better for me and I believe I have it ranked in my top five. I have already watched it more than QoS and I'm probably getting close to as many times as CR.
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    It lost its gloss and appeal for me when I first saw it.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    For me, SF. Is a good solid Bond film. Not in my top five, but not in the
    Bottom of the list either.
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 7,500
    @Mansfield

    Another great post from you, well put!

    I am not sure waiting one year extra for Sam Mendes will shorten Craigs tenure as Bond though. That one year won't change things too much. He has at least one more film left in him, maybe two, regardless of that.
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 11,425
    Mansfield wrote: »
    That is quite the thorough detailing of the perception of Skyfall. From all my time lurking on this site, as well as my short time being a member, it's clear that everyone has polarizing views of what they expect and enjoy from a Bond film. Like your topic mentions, the general viewing audience is more accepting of the film in part because they may not measure the film up to the elements of past favorites. Out of all my friends who are casual Bond fans, Skyfall has almost universal appeal with the one complaint being that the film did not contain many action sequences. What's most fascinating about your topic to me is how you mentioned the innovation of the committee room shoot-out. That is a high point in the film for me, besides the cathartic ending.
    The Bond producers and studio are going to look at Skyfall, much like they did for Goldfinger, and extract elements for future films. As much as Casino Royale (and aspects of Quantum of Solace) eclipse Skyfall from a critical standpoint, the two films combined marginally beat out Skyfall at the worldwide box office. The series hasn't had this level of mainstream success and attention since the early films and the powers that be know it. They were deliberate in waiting another year to get Sam Mendes back, ultimately shortening Craig's tenure as Bond, just to have a worthy follow-up with the same creative vision. They caught lightning in a bottle and don't want to misuse the opportunity to bring about a renaissance in the franchise. They will always attempt to include classic elements from both Fleming's work and the original films, but they now have a new generation of movie-goers numbering in the millions that have Skyfall as the benchmark for what a Bond film should be. And that is something they have to live up to with each new release.

    There is no denying that SF has been a massive hit. I think hopefully it will have brought back some old fans and created a lot of new ones. That is all extremely positive. I have been a big supporter of Craig ever since news he was being cast first came out. I liked his first two films a lot. It's no secret what my views are on SF. I always find it interesting when I read comments like the one highlighted above, as I find the committee room sequence one of the weakest in SF and a bit of an embarassment in how it's constructed and filmed - totally unconconvincing from both a narrative and dramatic perspective. This is the culmination of Silva's dastardly plan, and he's repelled by a couple of fire extinguishers? It's laughable how little thought went into writing this scene. Like a bad BBC Sunday-afternoon police drama.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Mansfield wrote: »
    That is quite the thorough detailing of the perception of Skyfall. From all my time lurking on this site, as well as my short time being a member, it's clear that everyone has polarizing views of what they expect and enjoy from a Bond film. Like your topic mentions, the general viewing audience is more accepting of the film in part because they may not measure the film up to the elements of past favorites. Out of all my friends who are casual Bond fans, Skyfall has almost universal appeal with the one complaint being that the film did not contain many action sequences. What's most fascinating about your topic to me is how you mentioned the innovation of the committee room shoot-out. That is a high point in the film for me, besides the cathartic ending.
    The Bond producers and studio are going to look at Skyfall, much like they did for Goldfinger, and extract elements for future films. As much as Casino Royale (and aspects of Quantum of Solace) eclipse Skyfall from a critical standpoint, the two films combined marginally beat out Skyfall at the worldwide box office. The series hasn't had this level of mainstream success and attention since the early films and the powers that be know it. They were deliberate in waiting another year to get Sam Mendes back, ultimately shortening Craig's tenure as Bond, just to have a worthy follow-up with the same creative vision. They caught lightning in a bottle and don't want to misuse the opportunity to bring about a renaissance in the franchise. They will always attempt to include classic elements from both Fleming's work and the original films, but they now have a new generation of movie-goers numbering in the millions that have Skyfall as the benchmark for what a Bond film should be. And that is something they have to live up to with each new release.

    There is no denying that SF has been a massive hit. I think hopefully it will have brought back some old fans and created a lot of new ones. That is all extremely positive. I have been a big supporter of Craig ever since news he was being cast first came out. I liked his first two films a lot. It's no secret what my views are on SF. I always find it interesting when I read comments like the one highlighted above, as I find the committee room sequence one of the weakest in SF and a bit of an embarassment in how it's constructed and filmed - totally unconconvincing from both a narrative and dramatic perspective. This is the culmination of Silva's dastardly plan, and he's repelled by a couple of fire extinguishers? It's laughable how little thought went into writing this scene. Like a bad BBC Sunday-afternoon police drama.

    Hmm, I would be interested to know some of your other complaints with SF since it's one of my favorites and I wish I could understand why is receives so much criticism.
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 11,425
    Getafix wrote: »
    Mansfield wrote: »
    That is quite the thorough detailing of the perception of Skyfall. From all my time lurking on this site, as well as my short time being a member, it's clear that everyone has polarizing views of what they expect and enjoy from a Bond film. Like your topic mentions, the general viewing audience is more accepting of the film in part because they may not measure the film up to the elements of past favorites. Out of all my friends who are casual Bond fans, Skyfall has almost universal appeal with the one complaint being that the film did not contain many action sequences. What's most fascinating about your topic to me is how you mentioned the innovation of the committee room shoot-out. That is a high point in the film for me, besides the cathartic ending.
    The Bond producers and studio are going to look at Skyfall, much like they did for Goldfinger, and extract elements for future films. As much as Casino Royale (and aspects of Quantum of Solace) eclipse Skyfall from a critical standpoint, the two films combined marginally beat out Skyfall at the worldwide box office. The series hasn't had this level of mainstream success and attention since the early films and the powers that be know it. They were deliberate in waiting another year to get Sam Mendes back, ultimately shortening Craig's tenure as Bond, just to have a worthy follow-up with the same creative vision. They caught lightning in a bottle and don't want to misuse the opportunity to bring about a renaissance in the franchise. They will always attempt to include classic elements from both Fleming's work and the original films, but they now have a new generation of movie-goers numbering in the millions that have Skyfall as the benchmark for what a Bond film should be. And that is something they have to live up to with each new release.

    There is no denying that SF has been a massive hit. I think hopefully it will have brought back some old fans and created a lot of new ones. That is all extremely positive. I have been a big supporter of Craig ever since news he was being cast first came out. I liked his first two films a lot. It's no secret what my views are on SF. I always find it interesting when I read comments like the one highlighted above, as I find the committee room sequence one of the weakest in SF and a bit of an embarassment in how it's constructed and filmed - totally unconconvincing from both a narrative and dramatic perspective. This is the culmination of Silva's dastardly plan, and he's repelled by a couple of fire extinguishers? It's laughable how little thought went into writing this scene. Like a bad BBC Sunday-afternoon police drama.

    Hmm, I would be interested to know some of your other complaints with SF since it's one of my favorites and I wish I could understand why is receives so much criticism.

    I think most of the other members would say they'd rather not hear any more from me on SF. I've written probably way to much on what I think is wrong with it elsewhere. But to briefly summarise, I didn't rate it when I first saw it and it hasn't grown on me since. But I am a big DC fan and everything I hear so far makes me think SP could be the film that I've been waiting for. I think it's good news that for the first time since 1989 we're going to get a director doing two Bonds in a row. One of the biggest problems facing the series since LTK has been the lack of continuity in directors. I never liked GE, but I think when Campbell came back to do CR, he was able to massively improve on his first effort. I'm confident that Mendes will want to do something different from SF with SP, and refine the story-telling and just make SP a whole lot tighter and more entertaining - otherwise he wouldn't have agreed to take the job. If it's a success, I'll be hoping that he stays on and does another.

    I should also say that although I don't personally like SF, I think it is an interesting failure. It's not like the whole series is going down a dead-end, as it was during the Brosnan era. I just think SF didn't succeed at what it was setting out to do. But I respect it for its ambition. In many ways (including the story), I see it as quite similar to TWINE - trying to take the films in a different, more character and thematically driven direction. While I think both films are failures, I'd much rather sit through a superior quality failure like SF than the awfulness of TWINE.
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    I wish I could understand why is receives so much criticism.
    There are plenty of negative reviews and user comments out there. For me - the narrative structure is my biggest complaint. If you think that the highlight of any movie is in the first 10 minutes of the movie, then there's a problem.
  • edited March 2015 Posts: 11,119
    I think what "Skyfall" puts apart from many other Bond films, is the fact that the lack of narrative strength and lack of better explained background story, in a way, is also the strength of the film. This may sound weird, but as of today I think the absence of certain explained plot, is entirely compensated by other elements within the screenplay and because of incredible execution of that same screenplay by certain actor. The elements I am talking about:

    --> ACTING: Foremost this is IMO the biggest strength of "Skyfall". I think seeing Javier Bardem being consumed by the character Raoul Silva, makes you actually forget about plot holes. And I think this is part of the success of the film. "Skyfall" is not so much about memorable action sequences. But IT IS about memorable scenes in general. Examples: Silva's grand entrance (perhaps reminiscent of previous grand entrances of Bond villains from the 1960's), Silva's insane little William Tell game with Bond (Seeing Silva shooting down Severine is ONE of my personal highlights of the film), and Silva's conversation with "M" (until the gory moment when he puts out his prosthesis). Does it belong in a Bond film? I welcome change, and off course I think this approach can belong in a Bond-film.
    --> CHARACTERS: As I said before, screenplay writing is IMO about three things: a) Plot/Story, b) Characters and c) Dialogue. B) and C) are IMO the highlight of the "Skyfall" screenplay. Yes, some people tend to disagree with that. But movies can not be groundbreaking if one can't twist and change the technical rules of screenplay writing. I heard people saying that the "rule should be that screenplay must have a good well-explained story/plot". What counts for me is the impact of the total package; the finished film, not just one aspect like plot. Obviously "Skyfall" worked in that sense. And even set a new standard. The screenplay of "Skyfall" also hold up because of ingenious dialogue. Not so much the humor-parts, but especially the tense dramatic parts of dialogue are well-crafted. Does this approach belong in a Bond-film? Why not!
    --> DRAMA: Many "typical" Bond films found this aspect too forced, sometimes even irritating. I think this is because Bond films usually are not famed for having good drama, nor is the taste of typical Bond fans very supportive of emotional drama. And let's face it, Sam Mendes is a drama director. Still, good drama IMO is always derived from well-written characters and their backgrounds. The definition is: "It depends mostly on in-depth development of realistic characters dealing with emotional themes. It is the theme that puts the characters in conflict with themselves, others or society." Regardless of the plot, the actual motives of the characters, like those of Silva, 'M' and Bond, are entirely believable. It's not so much about "HOW" the events, leading to the motives of the characters, happened. But "Skyfall" is more about the "WHY", why the characters are acting in the film like they do. WHY is Silva so vengeful. WHY does Bond get a shut-down when his doctor refers to "Skyfall". WHY is 'M' such a mother figure to Bond.

    And I think the above approach actually could explain the insane success of "Skyfall". At least partially. Its approach --focusing on characters, acting, dialogue and memorable drama scenes, instead of such a tight, well-explained screenplay with memorable action sequences-- set a rather unique new standard that basically resulted in this insane $1.1 Billion global box office result.

    One can disagree on taste. And obviously a lot of Bond fans in here didn't like it. But I can only conclude that those people who paid some Dollars leading to that $1.1 Billion box office indirectly set a new and original standard. Apparently, they didn't miss the lack of a tight well-explained plot or memorable action sequences on first viewing. So "Skyfall" could indeed get an evergreen status in the near future. The insane amount of topics, in which "Skyfall" is discussed even more than many other Bond-films, could also be seen as another wonderful success. So please, Sam Mendes really deserves more credit for all this.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    I still think SF is among the creme de la creme of Bond, but I see it dropping in the rank the Bond films thread. I blame this thread.

    I'm afraid the guys who dislike it have brow beaten us to the point where we don't know what to think anymore, and as a result everyone is saying 'I still love it, despite plot holes..' etc just so they don't get into a fresh debate with the haters.

    Anyway, I love it as well Thunderfinger.

    And for the record I also love YOLT even though Blofeld cleared a volcano without any detection ( Q. where did the rubble go I wonder? A. I just don't care)
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    NicNac wrote: »
    I still think SF is among the creme de la creme of Bond, but I see it dropping in the rank the Bond films thread. I blame this thread.

    I'm afraid the guys who dislike it have brow beaten us to the point where we don't know what to think anymore, and as a result everyone is saying 'I still love it, despite plot holes..' etc just so they don't get into a fresh debate with the haters.

    Anyway, I love it as well Thunderfinger.

    And for the record I also love YOLT even though Blofeld cleared a volcano without any detection ( Q. where did the rubble go I wonder? A. I just don't care)

    What do you think about my above post? I hope it isn't too much text hehe.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Plot holes, bad CGI, mediocre or rehashed action sequences, and some bad dialogue are the first things that come to my mind in terms of SF.

    I do find it funny how some people will rip apart QoS for having a storyline that "doesn't make sense," then praise SF, totally overlooking all of the problems the story and details within contains. Though then again, QoS and SF are two completely different films to me.

    Call me overhyped, call me a cynic (though you all know me and I've made my points numerous times over the years - I don't hate any Bond film. There's just some that I really don't care for, but will ALWAYS enjoy watching for what they're worth), but SF just didn't do it for me like I had hoped.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Plot holes, bad CGI, mediocre or rehashed action sequences, and some bad dialogue are the first things that come to my mind in terms of SF.

    I do find it funny how some people will rip apart QoS for having a storyline that "doesn't make sense," then praise SF, totally overlooking all of the problems the story and details within contains. Though then again, QoS and SF are two completely different films to me.

    Call me overhyped, call me a cynic (though you all know me and I've made my points numerous times over the years - I don't hate any Bond film. There's just some that I really don't care for, but will ALWAYS enjoy watching for what they're worth), but SF just didn't do it for me like I had hoped.

    Okay, because you said it. I will definitely call you a cynic then ;-). I do hope you did read my above post though.
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    Deakins' cinematography alone puts it ahead of 1/3 of the Bond films. Then you have Mendes' inventive direction to boot.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I do find it funny how some people will rip apart QoS for having a storyline that "doesn't make sense," then praise SF, totally overlooking all of the problems the story and details within contains. Though then again, QoS and SF are two completely different films to me.
    /quote]

    Well said. That being said, I don't think using "plot holes" as a complaint about a Bond film is valid.

    While I find SF to be a vastly superior film it definitely has some head-scratching moments in terms of story.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Plot holes, bad CGI, mediocre or rehashed action sequences, and some bad dialogue are the first things that come to my mind in terms of SF.

    I do find it funny how some people will rip apart QoS for having a storyline that "doesn't make sense," then praise SF, totally overlooking all of the problems the story and details within contains. Though then again, QoS and SF are two completely different films to me.

    Call me overhyped, call me a cynic (though you all know me and I've made my points numerous times over the years - I don't hate any Bond film. There's just some that I really don't care for, but will ALWAYS enjoy watching for what they're worth), but SF just didn't do it for me like I had hoped.

    I agree, SF and QoS are two different films.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Gustav_Graves, I most certainly did! Very good read, I do agree on many points, and those that I may not agree on (which really falls upon personal taste/opinion), I really do see where you're coming from. And yes, perhaps I am a cynic. ;)

    @ThighsofXenia, agreed on Deakins. The man's work never ceases to amaze me. It's why I'm itching to see 'Unbroken.' While plot holes may not be a valid complaint, I still have many others that are (to me, anyway), and in the end, a film is a film. I watch Bond for the escapism, not a goof-free Oscar winner, but at the same time, when a director goes for bigger action set pieces and more drama, then I don't want to see that same director giving us a plot that is riddled with things that really don't make sense.

    Again, that's a fine line, because TONS of things in the Bond universe don't make sense. But I think there's a difference between a Lotus that swims underwater and a drama-driven film like SF that makes me scratch my head too many times to count.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    SF IMO has the most breathtaking cinematography since MR. CR is more lush but it's more to do, I think, with the beautiful design of the sets (particuliarly the casino interiors).
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @DaltonCraig007, SF's cinematography is most certainly breathtaking, and could quite possibly be my favorite in the series. However, CR did a great job at really drawing out colors. It's six years older than SF, but every time I play that on my blu-ray player, the colors pop out at me, especially the blue's and orange's.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2015 Posts: 15,690
    @Creasy47 I think the set designs in CR are miles better than SF's, those casino interiors are almost pornographic IMO. But yes I agree with you, when I see those houses with the coloured rooftops in the Bahamas, I am just amazed by them.
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    edited March 2015 Posts: 1,263
    This might entirely be a case of agreeing to disagree, especially since this thread is largely opinion based. Since I'm new here, I'll take a stab at trying to at least have our opinions reach an understanding.
    Getafix wrote: »
    There is no denying that SF has been a massive hit. I think hopefully it will have brought back some old fans and created a lot of new ones. That is all extremely positive. I have been a big supporter of Craig ever since news he was being cast first came out. I liked his first two films a lot. It's no secret what my views are on SF. I always find it interesting when I read comments like the one highlighted above, as I find the committee room sequence one of the weakest in SF and a bit of an embarassment in how it's constructed and filmed - totally unconconvincing from both a narrative and dramatic perspective. This is the culmination of Silva's dastardly plan, and he's repelled by a couple of fire extinguishers? It's laughable how little thought went into writing this scene. Like a bad BBC Sunday-afternoon police drama.
    The committee room sequence has a lot of content starting from the beginning where it shares screen time with Bond chasing Silva in the underground. The narrative is wholly contrived. That doesn't make it an embarrassment in the least. Every day government officials are forced to testify and listen to testimony from private entities that are artificial and excessive in both their inquiry and presentation. I get the impression that part of the scene doubles as a commentary on the gridlock of the political landscape, which the scripts have shown to do in recent films. This is partly confirmed in my eyes by the overt sarcasm of the committee leader in both dialogue and performance, with the quip about it being, "a job well done then," and her incessant lecture to an on screen audience that was starting to fall asleep.

    The prattling on about MI6's insignificance is a plot device to introduce the viewers to an alternative perspective of Mallory, where he interrupts her to request hearing M give a response to defend her institution. Those early scenes act as a pressure valve to the increasing urgency of the chase sequence as it is revealed that M is the target. As Silva and Bond approach the committee room and M is reading from Tennyson, which she delivers to her usual high standard, it does not merely punch the audience in the face with the already obvious sentiment of the scene. It is between the lines of dialogue and performance that M passes the torch of MI6 to Mallory. Here is a guy who is essentially a military man turned bureaucrat who has his spirit ignited enough to literally take a bullet for her. The subsequent action sequence is unique for a Bond film because it's not the standard shootout. Bond is acting primarily to protect the people of the committee room, which displays to Mallory exactly why Bond came back. Recall that their last interaction was, "why not stay dead?" The scene is vitally important to the later death of M and Mallory's assuming the position. It would be a good bet to expect this relationship to play out in SPECTRE since Mendes said himself he was responsible for putting these characters into their roles and he didn't get to finish telling their stories.

    That's the perspective I take out of the sequence, which is a whole lot more than being thematically shot in the chest.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @DaltonCraig007, I agree with that, too! I was only highlighting the cinematography. Believe me, I have plenty of things from CR that I favor over SF. ;)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I would say that skyfall is better than brosnan's last three films combined.
    3:-O
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Better made? No doubt. But TND, TWINE, and even DAD vastly entertain me each time I watch them. But they are polar opposite of the spectrum of Bond films. The last 3 Brosnan films aim purely to entertain, while the Craig films have a much wider scope and message they aim to put forward. This might be that I grew up with Brozza as Bond, but i can't criticise his outings for not being something they didn't, IMO, aim to be.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    @Mansfield well done, I think you've hit the nail on the head with that scene. Like many it's one of my favourites of the film and the Tennyson speech always gets me each time I can't help but be taken along with it. Mendes introduced an element that some fans might not think has any right in a Bond film but sue me I'm a sucker for that scene every time.

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    I liked it too. Newman's score also gives that scene a lot of punch.
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    @Creasy47 - Unbroken is surprisingly pedestrian as far as Deakins goes. It looks great, but not as great as it probably should. Regardless, pedestrian Deakins can still capture some powerful images.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2015 Posts: 23,883
    I agree with both @Mansfield & @Getafix in a way.

    I too find the scene rather contrived, but I also congratulate Mendes for using it to provide artful insight into characters (Mallory, Bond, MP & M) and forge relationships/create trust within a tense setting (Bond's cheeky wink at Mallory - 'just trust me' - says it all, and I think after that we see that Mallory does indeed trust Bond - evidenced by his going along with the 'breadcrumbs' idea).

    Mendes' experience at stage craft is clearly evident here (a loud/noisy scene is made almost intimate with a focus on characters and the action almost secondary). It's somewhat pretentious, but quite subtly effective nonetheless.
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    edited March 2015 Posts: 1,263
    bondjames wrote: »
    I agree with both @Mansfield & @Getafix in a way.

    I too find the scene rather contrived, but I also congratulate Mendes for using it to provide artful insight into characters (Mallory, Bond, MP & M) and forge relationships/create trust within a tense setting (Bond's cheeky wink at Mallory - 'just trust me' - says it all, and I think after that we see that Mallory does indeed trust Bond - evidenced by his going along with the 'breadcrumbs' idea).

    Mendes' experience at stage craft is clearly evident here. It's somewhat pretentious, but quite subtly effective nonetheless.
    That moment was my favorite part of the action sequence and it occurs immediately after Bond shoots into the gallery to afford Mallory the seconds needed to pick up a weapon and take cover. Mallory had previously insinuated to M that she only kept his 00 status because she was sentimental about him. Between the cover and the wink, Bond earns his stripes by proving that he isn't out of his league in the game of espionage. Looking ahead to SPECTRE, Mendes stated that Bond is the one with all of the experience and they each (M, MP, Q) risk their lives to help him and the ways they do so will likely pick up from the continuum built in Skyfall. The immense potential of SPECTRE to be the greatest Bond film is due in large part to the mastery of Skyfall in a way that describes exactly why I view it so fondly: As a film that sets out to redefine the franchise as much as it reflects on its history, all of which is done in a concise fashion.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Mansfield wrote: »
    This might entirely be a case of agreeing to disagree, especially since this thread is largely opinion based. Since I'm new here, I'll take a stab at trying to at least have our opinions reach an understanding.
    Getafix wrote: »
    There is no denying that SF has been a massive hit. I think hopefully it will have brought back some old fans and created a lot of new ones. That is all extremely positive. I have been a big supporter of Craig ever since news he was being cast first came out. I liked his first two films a lot. It's no secret what my views are on SF. I always find it interesting when I read comments like the one highlighted above, as I find the committee room sequence one of the weakest in SF and a bit of an embarassment in how it's constructed and filmed - totally unconconvincing from both a narrative and dramatic perspective. This is the culmination of Silva's dastardly plan, and he's repelled by a couple of fire extinguishers? It's laughable how little thought went into writing this scene. Like a bad BBC Sunday-afternoon police drama.
    The committee room sequence has a lot of content starting from the beginning where it shares screen time with Bond chasing Silva in the underground. The narrative is wholly contrived. That doesn't make it an embarrassment in the least. Every day government officials are forced to testify and listen to testimony from private entities that are artificial and excessive in both their inquiry and presentation. I get the impression that part of the scene doubles as a commentary on the gridlock of the political landscape, which the scripts have shown to do in recent films. This is partly confirmed in my eyes by the overt sarcasm of the committee leader in both dialogue and performance, with the quip about it being, "a job well done then," and her incessant lecture to an on screen audience that was starting to fall asleep.

    The prattling on about MI6's insignificance is a plot device to introduce the viewers to an alternative perspective of Mallory, where he interrupts her to request hearing M give a response to defend her institution. Those early scenes act as a pressure valve to the increasing urgency of the chase sequence as it is revealed that M is the target. As Silva and Bond approach the committee room and M is reading from Tennyson, which she delivers to her usual high standard, it does not merely punch the audience in the face with the already obvious sentiment of the scene. It is between the lines of dialogue and performance that M passes the torch of MI6 to Mallory. Here is a guy who is essentially a military man turned bureaucrat who has his spirit ignited enough to literally take a bullet for her. The subsequent action sequence is unique for a Bond film because it's not the standard shootout. Bond is acting primarily to protect the people of the committee room, which displays to Mallory exactly why Bond came back. Recall that their last interaction was, "why not stay dead?" The scene is vitally important to the later death of M and Mallory's assuming the position. It would be a good bet to expect this relationship to play out in SPECTRE since Mendes said himself he was responsible for putting these characters into their roles and he didn't get to finish telling their stories.

    That's the perspective I take out of the sequence, which is a whole lot more than being thematically shot in the chest.

    Really a brilliant post, has made me appreciate a scene that I already really liked a lot more. Hats off to @Mansfield! With only 9 months left in 2015, this'll be a hard post to top ;)
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