"Back of the net!": The Football Thread

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    Haha bit of footie fan meself. Watched Escape to Victory on Sky the other week, bloody good movie. Micheal Caine, Sly, ***ing Pele for petes sake haha. A bit of a snoozer at the start, too old with the period piece type stuff & talk talk, talk. But theres a lot of good footie towards the end, good last scene with the pool match ( if you get my meaning haha, wont spoil it).

    Wont be shocked if you aint seen it, its an oldy. Im a Rovers supporter meself. "Go blackburn" haha

    I'm always wary of a new member but any bloke who likes Escape to Victory and has Richard O'Sullivan references as his user name cant be all bad.

    Escape to Victory has to be probably the greatest concept for a film ever conceived. Yeah it is a bit slow with all the stuff when Sly escapes with the resistance and I've always felt the climax (Sly saving a pen) is a bit stupid - we should have scored a last minute winner surely? But presumably it was contractual that Sly is the hero.

    I always get a lump in my throat in the second half when we refuse to escape and start taking the Hun apart in slow motion with overhead flicks and bicycle kicks.

    It is the best example for the term 'Guilty Pleasure'. Terrible as a film but bloody great because of the footy :-)
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    Nicolas Anelka has walked out on WBA and is retiring from football....nice of him to leave them in the shit,but he has always been selfish,hence the nickname 'Le Sulk'...
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    barryt007 wrote:
    Nicolas Anelka has walked out on WBA and is retiring from football....nice of him to leave them in the shit,but he has always been selfish,hence the nickname 'Le Sulk'...

    I tend to agree with Anelka's attitude in general but I think it's a bit harsh on this occasion. His agent died yesterday. They were good friends and it's hit him hard by all accounts.

    WBA insist that he hasn't walked out on them but he has been given compassionate leave for the foreseeable future.
  • Posts: 469
    well done Tottenham and my boys for the good wins last night.
    Be good to see wigan tottenham and the swans in the same group in the group stages of the europa league cup
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    largo2 wrote:
    well done Tottenham and my boys for the good wins last night.
    Be good to see wigan tottenham and the swans in the same group in the group stages of the europa league cup

    Can't happen. Clubs from the same country are kept apart at the Group Stage.
  • largo2 wrote:
    well done Tottenham and my boys for the good wins last night.
    Be good to see wigan tottenham and the swans in the same group in the group stages of the europa league cup

    Can't happen. Clubs from the same country are kept apart at the Group Stage.

    Like Wiilian and Spurs lol =))
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    Another transfer target for Arsenal it seems has turned them down. Benzema's agent has confirmed that he is staying at Madrid and never had any interest in going to Arsenal.

    Also, despite Cabaye refusing to turn out for Newcastle due to his head being turned, it looks like Arsenal face competition from PSG for his signature.

    Wenger fast running out of decent players to sign with only 8 days of the transfer window remaining.
  • Of all the teams, Arsenal are the ones who look like they're treading water. Though Spurs look like they will have to wait longer for their breakthrough.

    It's Jose of course who is ever adept at stirring things up, the boy can't help it.
  • The monied clubs walk away with it. What's the point of having a PL if only 4 teams have a chance and the others are just cannon fodder?

    I think the more you spend on transfers or wages the club has to put 25 percent back into a pot where the clubs who have spent the least can tap into for transfers or something like that.

    Otherwise I think we should have a EL and the top 5 from each league compete. It's getting silly when the likes of Arse can't compete purely on financial grounds. Man City the richest club in the world have bought success and not earnt it.

    Or have a transfer and wage cap.

    Anyway I hope Spurs get stuffed today can't stand their fans.
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    Cardiff 3-1 Man City. Tottenham 1-0 Swansea. Few minutes to go.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    The monied clubs walk away with it. What's the point of having a PL if only 4 teams have a chance and the others are just cannon fodder?

    I think the more you spend on transfers or wages the club has to put 25 percent back into a pot where the clubs who have spent the least can tap into for transfers or something like that.

    Otherwise I think we should have a EL and the top 5 from each league compete. It's getting silly when the likes of Arse can't compete purely on financial grounds. Man City the richest club in the world have bought success and not earnt it.

    Or have a transfer and wage cap.

    Anyway I hope Spurs get stuffed today can't stand their fans.

    And through prudent financial management Arsenal have earned success but refuse to buy it. The likes of Arse can compete on purely financial grounds. That they would rather make the shareholders happy than the fans is up to them but as they are something like the 3rd richest club in Europe dont have a go at other clubs who choose to invest to achieve success rather than think the only honourable way to win things is to get in French U21 players.
  • Slightly off topic...just saw the last few hours of the fifth test...Michael Clarke (using a football term) is an absolute disgrace....not in the spirit of the game...the paying spectators were robbed of their money. No doubt it was bad light, but full house, flood lights on, last 30 mins of the ashes series, the home team within reach of a famous victory and you ask for bad light? Keep your gob shut and take your loss. You would have been applauded but no, you've made the game of cricket a laughing stock to the casual fan...

    Idiot.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited August 2013 Posts: 17,926
    The monied clubs walk away with it. What's the point of having a PL if only 4 teams have a chance and the others are just cannon fodder?

    I think the more you spend on transfers or wages the club has to put 25 percent back into a pot where the clubs who have spent the least can tap into for transfers or something like that.

    Otherwise I think we should have a EL and the top 5 from each league compete. It's getting silly when the likes of Arse can't compete purely on financial grounds. Man City the richest club in the world have bought success and not earnt it.

    Or have a transfer and wage cap.

    Anyway I hope Spurs get stuffed today can't stand their fans.

    This is my first meaningful intervention in this thread as I'm not a sportsman, but I do have a few things to say regarding the so-called "beautiful game."

    @forgotmyusername - finally someone who is talking some sense in this thread. On the wages issue I could not agree more. Football has long ago stopped being a game. It is first and foremost a franchising business where the biggest clubs have the money to buy the best players from all over Europe and beyond. While the hard-working and diligent common man at the shop till earns say £6.19 an hour in a minimum wage scenario these oafs of the football pitch or "green stage" as I call it given all their acting ability on the pitch earn truly obscene amounts of money for kicking a pig's bladder (my late Dad used one as a child in the relative poverty of 1930s rural Northern Ireland) around a pitch. Vastly overrated and overpaid whining prima donnas prancing about on the green stage. That is what football in 2013 has become:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2242281/Liam-Ridgewell-Premier-League-footballer-pictured-wiping-20-notes.html

    You get what you pay for and you're welcome to it.

    Back of the net.

    ENDS.
  • This reminds me of something I was thinking about the other day: we're always complaining about footballers being overpaid (which they are), but what about actors?

    The cast of Friends (not even a good show) were being paid a million dollars per episode by the end of it's run. 20 odd million per season. Daniel Craig is apparently getting 31 million quid for his next two Bond films.

    These are just two of many examples.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    This reminds me of something I was thinking about the other day: we're always complaining about footballers being overpaid (which they are), but what about actors?

    The cast of Friends (not even a good show) were being paid a million dollars per episode by the end of it's run. 20 odd million per season. Daniel Craig is apparently getting 31 million quid for his next two Bond films.

    These are just two of many examples.

    Craig's not so bad, though I had no idea he was paid so much as that actually! But Friends I hate with a vengeance. The worst sort of American "comedy". They really don't have a clue about what's funny over the pond, do they?
  • I think Craig is a brilliant Bond but I don't think any actor should be making that kind of money.

    The sad thing is that his Bond deal is one of the cheaper examples. I read that Robert Downey Jr earned 50 million dollars from Avengers Assemble.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I think Craig is a brilliant Bond but I don't think any actor should be making that kind of money.

    The sad thing is that his Bond deal is one of the cheaper examples. I read that Robert Downey Jr earned 50 million dollars from Avengers Assemble.

    Yes, now you mention it it really is quite ridiculous. I think a lot of these professions really have a day of reckoning coming, you know and not a moment too soon, either.
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 12,837
    On topic, very boring game for us yesterday. We should've won. Allardyce seems to have the right idea though, he's saying that we need to get more offensive, more clinical, something I agree with.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    On topic, very boring game for us yesterday. We should've won. Allardyce seems to have the right idea though, he's saying that we need to get more offensive, more clinical, something I agree with.

    I'm afraid when it comes to the topic of football that I'm cynical rather than clinical, though I am clinical in my cynicism...
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    Well disappointed we lost to Hull yesterday. Congrats to them for holding out with 10 men though. Need to pull up our socks and get 3 points against Southampton at home next Saturday now!
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Dragonpol wrote:
    The monied clubs walk away with it. What's the point of having a PL if only 4 teams have a chance and the others are just cannon fodder?

    I think the more you spend on transfers or wages the club has to put 25 percent back into a pot where the clubs who have spent the least can tap into for transfers or something like that.

    Otherwise I think we should have a EL and the top 5 from each league compete. It's getting silly when the likes of Arse can't compete purely on financial grounds. Man City the richest club in the world have bought success and not earnt it.

    Or have a transfer and wage cap.

    Anyway I hope Spurs get stuffed today can't stand their fans.

    This is my first meaningful intervention in this thread as I'm not a sportsman, but I do have a few things to say regarding the so-called "beautiful game."

    @forgotmyusername - finally someone who is talking some sense in this thread. On the wages issue I could not agree more. Football has long ago stopped being a game. It is first and foremost a franchising business where the biggest clubs have the money to buy the best players from all over Europe and beyond. While the hard-working and diligent common man at the shop till earns say £6.19 an hour in a minimum wage scenario these oafs of the football pitch or "green stage" as I call it given all their acting ability on the pitch earn truly obscene amounts of money for kicking a pig's bladder (my late Dad used one as a child in the relative poverty of 1930s rural Northern Ireland) around a pitch. Vastly overrated and overpaid whining prima donnas prancing about on the green stage. That is what football in 2013 has become:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2242281/Liam-Ridgewell-Premier-League-footballer-pictured-wiping-20-notes.html

    You get what you pay for and you're welcome to it.

    Back of the net.

    ENDS.

    Careful Draggers - all this bemoaning footballer's and actor's wages sounds suspiciously like good old fashioned socialism to me.

    If people are prepared to keep digging in their pockets to pay these guys what they want then you can't blame them can you? It's called market forces - if enough people are disgusted at how much these people get paid then their wages will go down. It's pretty basic economics but whining about the poor old man in the street and his minimum wage just sounds like classic lefty whingeing to me, which is more often than not based on pure envy.

    Anyway back on topic - Bendtner to form a dream forward line alongside Chamakh at Palace!

    Holloway has gone from merely eccentric to dangerously insane. See you in the championship Ian old son.
  • 001001
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    Great to see Liverpool start the season well.
    Great goals from sturridge,and great goalkeeping from the Mig.
    Manu next should be a ripper.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited August 2013 Posts: 17,926
    Dragonpol wrote:
    The monied clubs walk away with it. What's the point of having a PL if only 4 teams have a chance and the others are just cannon fodder?

    I think the more you spend on transfers or wages the club has to put 25 percent back into a pot where the clubs who have spent the least can tap into for transfers or something like that.

    Otherwise I think we should have a EL and the top 5 from each league compete. It's getting silly when the likes of Arse can't compete purely on financial grounds. Man City the richest club in the world have bought success and not earnt it.

    Or have a transfer and wage cap.

    Anyway I hope Spurs get stuffed today can't stand their fans.

    This is my first meaningful intervention in this thread as I'm not a sportsman, but I do have a few things to say regarding the so-called "beautiful game."

    @forgotmyusername - finally someone who is talking some sense in this thread. On the wages issue I could not agree more. Football has long ago stopped being a game. It is first and foremost a franchising business where the biggest clubs have the money to buy the best players from all over Europe and beyond. While the hard-working and diligent common man at the shop till earns say £6.19 an hour in a minimum wage scenario these oafs of the football pitch or "green stage" as I call it given all their acting ability on the pitch earn truly obscene amounts of money for kicking a pig's bladder (my late Dad used one as a child in the relative poverty of 1930s rural Northern Ireland) around a pitch. Vastly overrated and overpaid whining prima donnas prancing about on the green stage. That is what football in 2013 has become:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2242281/Liam-Ridgewell-Premier-League-footballer-pictured-wiping-20-notes.html

    You get what you pay for and you're welcome to it.

    Back of the net.

    ENDS.

    Careful Draggers - all this bemoaning footballer's and actor's wages sounds suspiciously like good old fashioned socialism to me.

    If people are prepared to keep digging in their pockets to pay these guys what they want then you can't blame them can you? It's called market forces - if enough people are disgusted at how much these people get paid then their wages will go down. It's pretty basic economics but whining about the poor old man in the street and his minimum wage just sounds like classic lefty whingeing to me, which is more often than not based on pure envy.

    Anyway back on topic - Bendtner to form a dream forward line alongside Chamakh at Palace!

    Holloway has gone from merely eccentric to dangerously insane. See you in the championship Ian old son.

    Socialism, you say? Down with that sort of thing. Well forgive me, Ice, but I'm very far from being a socialist as I'm sure you know by now. I was just disgusted to see that defender wiping his backside with £20 notes - it rather rubs our noses in the fact that he earns more in one week than most folks earn in a year, wouldn't you agree? I'm sure that you see my point now that I have elaborated on it? I know how capitalism works as well as market forces. Thatcherism created the loads-a-money culture we now see in the City and in footballer's and council chiefs salaries as well as the expansion of supermarkets into selling books, CDs and even selling legal services. This is all at the expense of our dwindling high street shops. Capitalism very clearly has its faults, but I suspect that not unlike democracy it is better than all of the other forms of economy. Greed is the legacy of Thatcher as much as I greatly admire her as a reformer who saved Britain from being the sick man of Europe in the 1980s. This of course was not something the puritanical Thatcher intended, but it was a resultant factor of her monetarism policies. It lead to a renewed "F*** you, I'm alright, Jack" type of culture that sadly still persists to this very day and we saw its ugly head reared most recently in the 2008 bank crisis and resultant very destructive recession. This was the ultimate result of the financial policy of tying the fortunes of the UK up with that of the City of London and its casino banking. Surely that can't be right, socialism or no socialism? I for one miss the more gentlemanly days of the City of London where men carried The Times under their arm and had a bowler hat on while waiting for the train. But then my political hero is Sir Alec Douglas-Home/Lord Home.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited August 2013 Posts: 9,117
    I find that defender wiping his arse with £20's disgusting as well. But that is just the behaviour of a crass individual and there are plenty of those in all walks of life.

    There are people I work with who I find crass and uncouth but if someone used their antics as an excuse to cut my wages because we must all be the same then I would tell them where to go. For every guy like that there is a guy like Paul Scholes who just goes home to his family in the evening.

    Football clubs are massive global entities raking in hundreds of millions a year. Seeing as there are only 20 or so employees in their organisation who are directly responsible for generating that wealth shouldnt they be handsomely rewarded?

    Yes its depressing that chavs like Rooney earn more in a couple of months than I will in my lifetime but thats society's fault for keeping coughing up their Sky money. If you were lucky enough to be born with the talent to kick a ball would you be campaigning for a decent wage for footballers comparable with the man in the street or would you be banking the cheque and driving away in your Bentley? So lets ease off with the faux outrage old man.

    Footballers are the same as bankers - they are hated based on envy but the people who pay them are running a business and if they could get results by paying someone else less they would so as far as they are concerned these people are worth it.

    My advice if you dont like it is to try and find a job that society deems should be paid an outrageous amount of money or instigate a Bolshevik revolution so everyone can be brought down to the lowest common denominator.

    More on topic - wasnt that a turgid load of dross last night?
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,572
    Dragonpol wrote:
    I think Craig is a brilliant Bond but I don't think any actor should be making that kind of money.

    The sad thing is that his Bond deal is one of the cheaper examples. I read that Robert Downey Jr earned 50 million dollars from Avengers Assemble.

    Yes, now you mention it it really is quite ridiculous. I think a lot of these professions really have a day of reckoning coming, you know and not a moment too soon, either.

    If someone is willing to pay an individual $50million, then sad to say he must be worth it. Just as top footballers are worth every penny they earn, simply because someone is able and willing to pay them that amount.
    Supply and demand
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited August 2013 Posts: 17,926
    NicNac wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    I think Craig is a brilliant Bond but I don't think any actor should be making that kind of money.

    The sad thing is that his Bond deal is one of the cheaper examples. I read that Robert Downey Jr earned 50 million dollars from Avengers Assemble.

    Yes, now you mention it it really is quite ridiculous. I think a lot of these professions really have a day of reckoning coming, you know and not a moment too soon, either.

    If someone is willing to pay an individual $50million, then sad to say he must be worth it. Just as top footballers are worth every penny they earn, simply because someone is able and willing to pay them that amount.
    Supply and demand

    Yes, capitalism in order words and it seems to work out in the end, too. They've tried out communism (Soviet Russia) and corporatism (Fascist Italy) and they were abject failures, so capitalism is the only credible alternative. Market forces, again. Yet, I still have a minor anti-capitalist bias and streak that worryingly rears its head every now and then. Put it down to neo-Butskellism, I suppose!
  • Anyway, back to the football, what do those players at Petersborough have for their breakfast? 5-0 so far against Reading and free scoring in the league. There's always goals when they play. Same in previous seasons when they were scoring and leaking goals in equal measure. Great to watch.
  • Liverpool 2-2 Notts County. Come on Notts County!!!
  • Posts: 6,396
    Liverpool throw away a 2 goal lead at home to Notts County. Embarrassment?
  • Extra time now at Anfield. If they lose this then their hope for Silverware this season will be effectively over.
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