Spectre Gunbarrel ***Spoilers***

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  • Posts: 246
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    ... but you have to keep in mind there are people on these forums that don't want to know a single thing about Skyfall before they go in.

    It's a fait point. But personally, just on this specific topic (and only in retrospect) I'd rather have known beforehand.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 12,590
    I know some people wouldn't want it spoiled (I've been avoiding most spoilers), but I'm glad I found out now. If I was in the cinema and it wasn't there, I would've been angry and it might have distracted me from the film.

    At least now I know what to expect.
  • Posts: 5,745
    I know some people wouldn't want it spoiled (I've been avoiding most spoilers), but I'm glad I found out now. If I was in the cinema and it wasn't there, I would've been angry and it might have distracted me from the film.

    At least now I know what to expect.

    But it should be left to you to make the decision to click on the spoiler.. not have someone else randomly blurt it out in an off topic thread. Which is a fair point.
  • JWESTBROOK wrote:
    I know some people wouldn't want it spoiled (I've been avoiding most spoilers), but I'm glad I found out now. If I was in the cinema and it wasn't there, I would've been angry and it might have distracted me from the film.

    At least now I know what to expect.

    But it should be left to you to make the decision to click on the spoiler.. not have someone else randomly blurt it out in an off topic thread. Which is a fair point.

    I know, and I agree, like I said, I've been avoiding most spoilers. But I was just saying this one didn't bother me personally.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 10
    First post, but been lurking for a while. The location of the gunbarrel is far from a dealbreaker for me. However, I think positioning the gunbarrel sequence at the end of the filmis open to reasoned criticism. There are good film making reasons why it is relatively ineffective.

    The sequence is designed as an opener, not a closer. The dots and music establish an atmosphere of suspense and mystery, which in its climax shows the dangerous efficiency of Bond's character as he gets the assassin before the assassin can get him. All of this is designed to prepare the audience for a riveting tale of spy against spy - where danger lurks around every corner. All of the sequence's effectiveness is lost by putting it at the end of the film. Morever, the minor variation on the James Bond theme during the sequence helps establish each film's individual tone. All of this value is lost by putting it at the end of the film. It just becomes a relic, a tradition without a narrative or storytelling purpose.

    Having the gunbarrel end the pre-title sequence in Casino Royale still serves these purposes. In fact, I would argue that the PTS is just an extended gunbarrel. It establishes the danger and brutality of Bond's profession and culminates in the suspenseful moment of him getting the other guy before he gets Bond.

    To me, that is a more powerful argument for having the gunbarrel at the opening. Screw tradition for the sake of tradition - that is how we get movies like Die Another Day. Tradition is only so good as the purpose it serves remains. The gunbarrel became tradition because using it as the opening for Bond films was a very effective piece of film making - it was a way of setting a tone and mood for the rest of the film.
  • DiscoVolanteDiscoVolante Stockholm, SwedenModerator
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    Welcome to the forums @TheManwiththeWalther. Great first post of yours! =D>
  • First post, but been lurking for a while. The location of the gunbarrel is far from a dealbreaker for me. However, I think positioning the gunbarrel sequence at the end of the filmis open to reasoned criticism. There are good film making reasons why it is relatively ineffective.

    The sequence is designed as an opener, not a closer. The dots and music establish an atmosphere of suspense and mystery, which in its climax shows the dangerous efficiency of Bond's character as he gets the assassin before the assassin can get him. All of this is designed to prepare the audience for a riveting tale of spy against spy - where danger lurks around every corner. All of the sequence's effectiveness is lost by putting it at the end of the film. Morever, the minor variation on the James Bond theme during the sequence helps establish each film's individual tone. All of this value is lost by putting it at the end of the film. It just becomes a relic, a tradition without a narrative or storytelling purpose.

    Having the gunbarrel end the pre-title sequence in Casino Royale still serves these purposes. In fact, I would argue that the PTS is just an extended gunbarrel. It establishes the danger and brutality of Bond's profession and culminates in the suspenseful moment of him getting the other guy before he gets Bond.

    To me, that is a more powerful argument for having the gunbarrel at the opening. Screw tradition for the sake of tradition - that is how we get movies like Die Another Day. Tradition is only so good as the purpose it serves remains. The gunbarrel became tradition because using it as the opening for Bond films was a very effective piece of film making - it was a way of setting a tone and mood for the rest of the film.

    Great post and I agree with you.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
    Posts: 2,482
    Welcome aboard, Themanwiththewalther, great post for us the pro-GB-at the beginning... :)>-
  • If Skyfall does not open with the gun barrel sequence..so be it. Unfortunately it is disappointing, but the ratings for this film have been through the roof. Sam Mendes clearly did something right. I'm sure critics took the placement of the gun barrel into consideration when reviewing Skyfall, and if it would cause severe disappointment to a hardcore Bond fan, they would mention it 100 times.
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
    Posts: 1,310
    @Gareth_00789: @MusicEditorcouk Hi, Lewis. Me and many other bond fans would like to ask. Do you know why the Gun Barrel sequence is at the end in skyfall?

    @MusicEditorcouk: @Gareth_00789 yes I do…because it didn't feel right - there's a MUCH better way of opening it…but you can't please everyone ;)

    Off twitter guys , our very own @Gareth00789 lol
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    samshwey wrote:
    etcheberry wrote:
    I'm disapointed and I must say, really mad at producers and Sam Mendes about this gunbarrel
    It just seems that now...anybody can do anything he wants on a bond movie...
    No more Bond Theme during the movie(or extremely rare, I could say in extinction way)...directors who don't respect codes...
    What's next? David Lynch on Bond 24? No more opening titles and song?
    Damn....future looks so bright !

    I agree.

    Bond has lost his gadgets he hasn't been a spy since Bronsan era either.

    Really? I seem to recall Craig doing plenty of spy work in CR and QoS.

    CR:
    It's been alluded to that, Bond had been spying on Dryden before being ordered to kill him.

    Bond and Carter spying on Molloka before the foot chase ensues

    Bond using M's laptop to trace the point of origin of the Ellipsis text message.

    Bond going to the bahamas and using the video feed to identify Dimitrios

    Bond investigates Dimitrios using the MI6 database.

    Bond using Solange to try and extract info from her about Dimitrios.

    Bond follows and spies on Dimitrios to see what he's up to.

    After killing Dimitrios, Bond tails and spies on Dimitrios' backup guy to the airport

    Bond and Mathis bug LeChiffre's inhaler

    Bond listens in on what's going on with LeChiffre and the African guys

    Bond discovering Vesper hasn't deposited the money and then goes to investigate, spying on her from the shadows

    Do I really need to list the spy work he does in QoS???
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 655
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Sorry, just a bit annoyed when I'm not doing anything really bad. If someone was to join this forum and spam it with hundreds or stuff then it would be much worse. I know its only a film, but it does mean a lot to me. Ok, i will stop babbling on about it.

    I think the biggest issue was spoiling something for many people. You may think everyone knows about a part of a film, but many don't. It's understandable, and I know it can feel like your being 'attacked' at times, but you have to keep in mind there are people on these forums that don't want to know a single thing about Skyfall before they go in.

    I know they shouldn't check this thread if they don't want to risk it, but the Mods have tried very hard to use Spoiler tags for things, so that others can still discuss what they think will happen while we can discuss what we know with Spoiler tags.

    Now the thread is labeled 'Spoilers' so there's no issue, but before it was just to discuss what people thought the Skyfall gun barrel would be like, etc.

    Just be mindful in discussions that many people might not know as much as you. If you think it may be a spoiler, tag it just in case. It takes two clicks.

    Nobody wants to kick anybody away that is actively and intellectually involved in the discussion, but people get upset when things are spoiled for them.

    It's easy to play it safe.

    Sorry. Its just with the actual thread saying spoilers in the heading, i thoguht a tag wasnt needed. I also thought. Its not realy a nice spoiler and most people would rather find out now than sat at the cinema wondering why the gun barrel isnt there. Sorry to anyone who i spoiled it for.
  • First post, but been lurking for a while. The location of the gunbarrel is far from a dealbreaker for me. However, I think positioning the gunbarrel sequence at the end of the filmis open to reasoned criticism. There are good film making reasons why it is relatively ineffective.

    The sequence is designed as an opener, not a closer. The dots and music establish an atmosphere of suspense and mystery, which in its climax shows the dangerous efficiency of Bond's character as he gets the assassin before the assassin can get him. All of this is designed to prepare the audience for a riveting tale of spy against spy - where danger lurks around every corner. All of the sequence's effectiveness is lost by putting it at the end of the film. Morever, the minor variation on the James Bond theme during the sequence helps establish each film's individual tone. All of this value is lost by putting it at the end of the film. It just becomes a relic, a tradition without a narrative or storytelling purpose.

    Having the gunbarrel end the pre-title sequence in Casino Royale still serves these purposes. In fact, I would argue that the PTS is just an extended gunbarrel. It establishes the danger and brutality of Bond's profession and culminates in the suspenseful moment of him getting the other guy before he gets Bond.

    To me, that is a more powerful argument for having the gunbarrel at the opening. Screw tradition for the sake of tradition - that is how we get movies like Die Another Day. Tradition is only so good as the purpose it serves remains. The gunbarrel became tradition because using it as the opening for Bond films was a very effective piece of film making - it was a way of setting a tone and mood for the rest of the film.

    Welcome to the forum. I love what you said there. That is everything in a nutshell. You are correct with it all.
  • Posts: 5,735
    Yes, I must say I agree with that^
  • Gunbarrel at the end of the end credits as a secret ending.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited October 2012 Posts: 4,399
    JamesCraig wrote:
    Qos GB was about 5 seconds long, if I remember correctly, and I think it's sped up.

    i can't recall exactly how long the QOS gunbarrel itself is - but maybe it's quick because they wanted DC to turn and fire his gun at exactly 0:07, which he does ;-)

  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    Posts: 3,497
    Tradition means that you do the same things over & over again. Now they have changed it a little and that's that. There's even a petition online at IMDB to bring it back in front.

    I've seen much worse "messing with traditions" in other Bondmovies...
  • DCisared wrote:
    @Gareth_00789: @MusicEditorcouk Hi, Lewis. Me and many other bond fans would like to ask. Do you know why the Gun Barrel sequence is at the end in skyfall?

    @MusicEditorcouk: @Gareth_00789 yes I do…because it didn't feel right - there's a MUCH better way of opening it…but you can't please everyone ;)

    Off twitter guys , our very own @Gareth00789 lol

    Absolute joke. There is NO better way of opening a Bond film than the gunbarrel sequence. A gunbarrel at the end of a Bond movie has no relevance at all. Ridiculous.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 655
    Fitzochris wrote:
    DCisared wrote:
    @Gareth_00789: @MusicEditorcouk Hi, Lewis. Me and many other bond fans would like to ask. Do you know why the Gun Barrel sequence is at the end in skyfall?

    @MusicEditorcouk: @Gareth_00789 yes I do…because it didn't feel right - there's a MUCH better way of opening it…but you can't please everyone ;)

    Off twitter guys , our very own @Gareth00789 lol

    Absolute joke. There is NO better way of opening a Bond film than the gunbarrel sequence. A gunbarrel at the end of a Bond movie has no relevance at all. Ridiculous.

    Hi, Guys. That was me. I was greatful for his reply, but im also let down by it. I dont think any bond film can have a better opening than a gun barrel.

    There must be some spectacular opening then to take away the gb.
  • CatchingBulletsCatchingBullets facebook.com/catchingbullets
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    If it's any consolation my book has a gunbarrel. At the beginning. The very start in fact.
  • I've been thinking about this. What if the gunbarrel is put on at the end of a film from now on due to the series being rebooted?
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
    Posts: 4,012
    Fitzochris wrote:
    DCisared wrote:
    @Gareth_00789: @MusicEditorcouk Hi, Lewis. Me and many other bond fans would like to ask. Do you know why the Gun Barrel sequence is at the end in skyfall?

    @MusicEditorcouk: @Gareth_00789 yes I do…because it didn't feel right - there's a MUCH better way of opening it…but you can't please everyone ;)

    Off twitter guys , our very own @Gareth00789 lol

    Absolute joke. There is NO better way of opening a Bond film than the gunbarrel sequence. A gunbarrel at the end of a Bond movie has no relevance at all. Ridiculous.

    Hi, Guys. That was me. I was greatful for his reply, but im also let down by it. I dont think any bond film can have a better opening than a gun barrel.

    There must be some spectacular opening then to take away the gb.

    We all have to wait and see! Throughout the years I often found that the gunbarrel distracting because it doesn't add anything (don't kill me X_X ), like it takes away the surprise factor of the PTS. So if they found some thrilling way to open the film and if the GB works better at the end it's fine for me.

    By the way @Gareth00789 good job with twitter.
  • edited October 2012 Posts: 655
    Thank you Sandy. I tried my best to get an answer for me and for all you guys on here. It still has me baffled, but expect i got an answer. I do hate it not continuing the tred of the other bond films. I cannot beleive they would even condier moving it, but whats done is done. Nothing you can do about it. Lets just enjoy the film, and dont forget, theres still Adeles skyfall theme to keep you in the bond spirit. That should be still a thrilling moment like the gun barrel.
  • Posts: 406
    After discovering the gunbarrel wasn't in the right place again it has put in a really bad mood, no proper gunbarrel since '99. I would like to know MGW and Babs thoughts on why they've done this again. Mad
  • Posts: 100
    First post, but been lurking for a while. The location of the gunbarrel is far from a dealbreaker for me. However, I think positioning the gunbarrel sequence at the end of the filmis open to reasoned criticism. There are good film making reasons why it is relatively ineffective.

    The sequence is designed as an opener, not a closer. The dots and music establish an atmosphere of suspense and mystery, which in its climax shows the dangerous efficiency of Bond's character as he gets the assassin before the assassin can get him. All of this is designed to prepare the audience for a riveting tale of spy against spy - where danger lurks around every corner. All of the sequence's effectiveness is lost by putting it at the end of the film. Morever, the minor variation on the James Bond theme during the sequence helps establish each film's individual tone. All of this value is lost by putting it at the end of the film. It just becomes a relic, a tradition without a narrative or storytelling purpose.

    Having the gunbarrel end the pre-title sequence in Casino Royale still serves these purposes. In fact, I would argue that the PTS is just an extended gunbarrel. It establishes the danger and brutality of Bond's profession and culminates in the suspenseful moment of him getting the other guy before he gets Bond.

    To me, that is a more powerful argument for having the gunbarrel at the opening. Screw tradition for the sake of tradition - that is how we get movies like Die Another Day. Tradition is only so good as the purpose it serves remains. The gunbarrel became tradition because using it as the opening for Bond films was a very effective piece of film making - it was a way of setting a tone and mood for the rest of the film.

    20 pages of generally mindless flannel and TheManwiththeWalther comes along and settles matters with a single shot. His aim is true. Welcome aboard!
  • Sandy wrote:
    We all have to wait and see! Throughout the years I often found that the gunbarrel distracting because it doesn't add anything (don't kill me X_X ), like it takes away the surprise factor of the PTS. So if they found some thrilling way to open the film and if the GB works better at the end it's fine for me.

    If it doesn't add anything at the start how does it add anything at the end? It's just a cool opening sequence.

    I don't see how it takes away the surprise factor. It doesn't tell you about the PTS before it opens does it?

    I think seeing the white dots roll across the screen gets me more excited more than anything else, not distracted.
  • I dont think taking away the gun barrel can make the opening any better. Its seperate from the actual story. Its just a gun barrel so built up the excitment. THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR TAKING AWAY THE GB. Hate them for this.
  • tqbtqb
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    how old are you? just curious.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Gareth, you're still posting the same over & over again.

  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    blakewho wrote:
    First post, but been lurking for a while. The location of the gunbarrel is far from a dealbreaker for me. However, I think positioning the gunbarrel sequence at the end of the filmis open to reasoned criticism. There are good film making reasons why it is relatively ineffective.

    The sequence is designed as an opener, not a closer. The dots and music establish an atmosphere of suspense and mystery, which in its climax shows the dangerous efficiency of Bond's character as he gets the assassin before the assassin can get him. All of this is designed to prepare the audience for a riveting tale of spy against spy - where danger lurks around every corner. All of the sequence's effectiveness is lost by putting it at the end of the film. Morever, the minor variation on the James Bond theme during the sequence helps establish each film's individual tone. All of this value is lost by putting it at the end of the film. It just becomes a relic, a tradition without a narrative or storytelling purpose.

    Having the gunbarrel end the pre-title sequence in Casino Royale still serves these purposes. In fact, I would argue that the PTS is just an extended gunbarrel. It establishes the danger and brutality of Bond's profession and culminates in the suspenseful moment of him getting the other guy before he gets Bond.

    To me, that is a more powerful argument for having the gunbarrel at the opening. Screw tradition for the sake of tradition - that is how we get movies like Die Another Day. Tradition is only so good as the purpose it serves remains. The gunbarrel became tradition because using it as the opening for Bond films was a very effective piece of film making - it was a way of setting a tone and mood for the rest of the film.

    20 pages of generally mindless flannel and TheManwiththeWalther comes along and settles matters with a single shot. His aim is true. Welcome aboard!

    A very effective piece of filmmaking? Sure, it's been a nice addition to the series, but it's not like it was there for shock value.

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