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  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    Today I learned that out of every person cast in a James Bond film, only 3 actors/actresses were born outside of the 20th century.
    •Lotte Lenya (Rosa Klebb) - Born 1898
    •Coline Defaud (Young Madeline Swan) - Born 2010
    •Lisa-Dorah Sonnet (Mathilde Swann) - Born 2015

    Quite shocking in all honesty haha.

    Bessie Love, an American actress born in 1898 (and an Academy Awards nominee in 1929), played an uncredited role as a baccarat player in OHMSS.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Is she the one who's saying how it's a stroke of luck to be bailed out like that etc.? She's great.
    It is kind of bonkers how those early films didn't feature anyone over 63 or 64; not sure that would happen now.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I seem to remember - maybe from an earlier thread, probably several years ago - that there was also a male actor born before 1900 who played a role worth mentioning in one of the early (1960s) movies. Just couldn't find him this time around. I'd also be surprised if there wasn't, considering my own age now which is getting close to 70. Why shouldn't there have been 70+ (and certainly 65+) actors in those films? They are full of "mature" characters, like retired generals and Sir Bla-bla and what have you.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited October 23 Posts: 6,495
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Why shouldn't there have been 70+ (and certainly 65+) actors in those films? They are full of "mature" characters, like retired generals and Sir Bla-bla and what have you.

    Probably because they were all played by 39 year old actors like the guy who played Colonel Smithers ;)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Heh, it's true. When Bernard Lee started playing M he was younger than Roger Moore was when he played Bond in not just one, but three Bond films :D
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I can offer two born in the 19th Century from CR 67, non-Eon of course.

    Charles Boyer ...
    Born: August 28, 1899, Figeac, France
    Died: August 26, 1978, Phoenix, AZ

    George Raft ...
    Born: September 26, 1895, Hell's Kitchen, New York City, NY
    Died: November 24, 1980, Los Angeles, CA
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 25 Posts: 19,746
    I’m not a gun person so I’m sure this is well-known to people who are, but just watching TSWLM and I’d never spotted before that Bond is carrying what I think is a Beretta pistol at the Pyramids when he’s trying to meet Fekkesh, rather than his usual PPK.

    Also another Spy thing I’d never noticed but is very cool:

  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    mtm wrote: »
    I’m not a gun person so I’m sure this is well-known to people who are, but just watching TSWLM and I’d never spotted before that Bond is carrying what I think is a Beretta pistol at the Pyramids when he’s trying to meet Fekkesh, rather than his usual PPK.
    Yes confirmed on the Beretta.


    imfdb.jpg
    https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/The_Spy_Who_Loved_Me

    https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/The_Spy_Who_Loved_Me#Beretta_70
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    900px-Tswlm-ber70b.jpg



  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    For me, a gun is a gun is a gun... I wouldn't notice any difference. I'd recognize a P08 (Luger) because of that funny round thing on top of it (don't know what it's for). The only handgun I ever fired, during my mandatory military service almost fifty years ago, was what the German army calls a P1, and others (like the police) call a P38 (from Walther). I can also tell a revolver from a pistol, but that's it. If Bond used an air gun, it wouldn't register with me if they get the sound effect right.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Great catch @mtm, never noticed that, what with all the distractions: the green lighting, the liquorice, Fekkesh' beautiful handwriting, and the thought that he might carry a skeleton key on him 'just in case'.

    Hopefully Bond gets a Beretta in this next phase.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    It jammed on him on his last job.

    Sorry had to throw that one in. One wonders how or why they gave Moore this gun for this film?
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    It is fun, just for the sake of Bond getting a lecture about it beeing the wrong gun, whilst he loves it. Seems Bond managed to get his back, ignoring orders (again).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 26 Posts: 19,746
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I’m not a gun person so I’m sure this is well-known to people who are, but just watching TSWLM and I’d never spotted before that Bond is carrying what I think is a Beretta pistol at the Pyramids when he’s trying to meet Fekkesh, rather than his usual PPK.
    Yes confirmed on the Beretta.

    Thanks for looking it up! As I say, I’m not a gun person but I think that sort of long notch on the top of the barrel is a distinctive Beretta thing, never noticed it there before. I think he poses with it on one of the posters but I thought that was just a poster thing.
  • TroyTroy
    edited October 26 Posts: 409
    007ClassicBondFan wrote: »
    Today I learned that out of every person cast in a James Bond film, only 3 actors/actresses were born outside of the 20th century.
    •Lotte Lenya (Rosa Klebb) - Born 1898
    •Coline Defaud (Young Madeline Swan) - Born 2010
    •Lisa-Dorah Sonnet (Mathilde Swann) - Born 2015

    Quite shocking in all honesty haha.

    The actor who played General Potter in Dr. No could be a candidate. Egnimatically, he is listed only as Colonel Burton, with only this film on his CV. Unable to find out any more about him - maybe a real-life ex-Indian Army retiree that Terence Young met during filming?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    It is fun, just for the sake of Bond getting a lecture about it beeing the wrong gun, whilst he loves it. Seems Bond managed to get his back, ignoring orders (again).
    Still a little different comparing the
    • 32-caliber Beretta 70 (TSWLM)
    • 32-caliber Beretta M1934 (DN film).
    • 25-caliber Beretta 418 ACP in the novel.

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    For it to appear clearly on screen, it makes sense they used other than the book gun. And I can rationalize an agent would take on different weapons on a mission, maybe something acquired locally even.

  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    He used a Beretta in NTTD too, in the forest.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    It is fun, just for the sake of Bond getting a lecture about it beeing the wrong gun, whilst he loves it. Seems Bond managed to get his back, ignoring orders (again).
    Still a little different comparing the
    • 32-caliber Beretta 70 (TSWLM)
    • 32-caliber Beretta M1934 (DN film).
    • 25-caliber Beretta 418 ACP in the novel.

    35ce4197b024e49a672856eff149422873a11fe7.pnj


    For it to appear clearly on screen, it makes sense they used other than the book gun. And I can rationalize an agent would take on different weapons on a mission, maybe something acquired locally even.

    Ok, I'm usually the last one to say this, but here the facts ruin the fun. I'm sticking to my story ;-)
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    It is fun, just for the sake of Bond getting a lecture about it beeing the wrong gun, whilst he loves it. Seems Bond managed to get his back, ignoring orders (again).
    Still a little different comparing the
    • 32-caliber Beretta 70 (TSWLM)
    • 32-caliber Beretta M1934 (DN film).
    • 25-caliber Beretta 418 ACP in the novel.

    35ce4197b024e49a672856eff149422873a11fe7.pnj


    For it to appear clearly on screen, it makes sense they used other than the book gun. And I can rationalize an agent would take on different weapons on a mission, maybe something acquired locally even.

    Ok, I'm usually the last one to say this, but here the facts ruin the fun. I'm sticking to my story ;-)

    As usual your story is solid @CommanderRoss
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    QBranch wrote: »
    He used a Beretta in NTTD too, in the forest.
    Well the PPK and some rifles (one with a grenade launcher) featured in the forest. Just sayin'.

    Other Berettas. Young Madeleine handled one well. Ash, Safin.


    Beretta 92FS
    https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/No_Time_to_Die
    A Beretta 92FS pistol is used by a young Madeline Swann (Coline Defaud) during the prologue.
    450px-BerettaM92FS.jpg
    900px-NTTD-Beretta92FS-3.jpg


    Beretta M9A3
    https://www.imfdb.org/wiki/No_Time_to_Die
    A Beretta M9A3 is initially carried by rogue State Department agent Logan Ash (Billy Magnussen). An M9A3 with a tactical light is carried by Lyutsifer Safin (Rami Malek) as his weapon of choice in the third act.
    525px-BerettaM9A3.jpg

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 1 Posts: 19,746
    I just realised that both of the 'unofficial' Bond films, NSNA and CR '67, feature flying saucers :D

    BMT216A831.jpg

    croyale10.jpg

    Maybe, as ‘unofficial’ isn’t quite correct, and the list of ‘non-Eon films’ is about to be added to, I’ll call them the flying saucer Bonds :)
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    That was CR67? I thought I dreamt that!
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
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    mtm wrote: »
    More something I've never seen before rather than never noticed(!) but here's a BBC spy drama from 1966- it opens with a very familiar shot of a hotel on Miami beach as you'll see:



    Except it's not actually the shot from Goldfinger! It's a completely different take, for one thing look out for the white car driving in the car park in front of the hotel.


    Looks like the video has been deleted. Do you remember what this TV series was called, @mtm?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Ah that's a shame; yes it was DEATH IS A GOOD LIVING with Leonard Rossiter:



  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
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    mtm wrote: »
    Ah that's a shame; yes it was DEATH IS A GOOD LIVING with Leonard Rossiter:



    Thank you! Looks like it's been uploaded again:

  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    That could lend itself to Bond titles @Torgeirtrap .
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    After all the many times I have seen CR, I just realized that I may have misinterpreted a line.

    When M is tracking Bond's online investigations in the Bahamas, she sees that he has opened Dimitrios's file. She says, "That slimy bugger."

    I always thought she was referring to Bond and his behavior. But during my most recent viewing, I heard this differently: perhaps she was referring the Dimitrios.



  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Oh yeah definitely, I never took it as her talking about Bond, that’s interesting.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    It does cross my mind whenever I watch that scene, but then I quietly decide to myself that she's *mainly* referring to Dimitrios. That's the beauty of making dialogue hit at a specific moment to cause the viewer to think about it in another way. I've always thought that's intentional here in this scene.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    TripAces wrote: »
    After all the many times I have seen CR, I just realized that I may have misinterpreted a line.

    When M is tracking Bond's online investigations in the Bahamas, she sees that he has opened Dimitrios's file. She says, "That slimy bugger."

    I always thought she was referring to Bond and his behavior. But during my most recent viewing, I heard this differently: perhaps she was referring the Dimitrios.



    Seriously? I never doubted she was talking about Dimitrios.

    Not being rude, but the way she says it makes it pretty obvious. (Although i understand English is not the first language of everyone on here)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I feel like she puts the stress on 'that', making it clear who she's talking about, yes.
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