Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Controversial opinion: in DAF Sean Connery is the worst looking Bond.

    I agree. At least, either Sean in DAF or Roger in LALD. Some odd clothing choices there. But I wasn't around in those days so the fashion may simply not speak to me.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Controversial opinion: in DAF Sean Connery is the worst looking Bond.

    That's a fun one to think about. I'm always a bit loathe to write off some of the fashions across the series as fashion just dates and I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but yeah; his untrimmed brows and slightly creepy sideburns don't help, plus some of the dodgier outfits and general out-of-shape quality all add up. George might be kind of close for me, there's something I don't really like about his hair and a few of his looks, but he is trim and fit-looking. Tim has some dodgy looks in LTK, with the baggy 80s jackets and vampire hair; and I actually think Daniel doesn't look great in QOS, with bad hair, weirdly tiny sunglasses etc. Pierce is also clearly great-looking, but a bit bouffant and thin in GE, and that Alan Partridge blazer look... yikes. But yes, I think you're right: it probably is DAF Sean.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Better a short pink tie than an overlong red one, meant to emphasize your private parts.
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    I think Connery looks very dark in DAF, like a shark, despite the tone of the film.
  • mtm wrote: »
    I actually think Daniel doesn't look great in QOS, with bad hair, weirdly tiny sunglasses etc.

    Really? I think he looks his best in QOS. They cut his hair too short in SF. Plus, the undersized suits.
    mtm wrote: »
    Pierce is also clearly great-looking, but a bit bouffant and thin in GE, and that Alan Partridge blazer look... yikes.

    I mean, Brosnan wasn't the first Bond to wear a double-breasted blazer.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    Pink isn't a manly color.
  • Yes I agree that Connery in DAF is probably the Bond the least pleasant on the eyes across the series.

    Moore never really looked unattractive; in View he looked more out of place than unattractive. Dalton, even with dodgy hair, was believably attractive enough in LTK for me. Brosnan was pretty consistent throughout: in GE sometimes he's maybe not attractive in a Bond way; in TWINE his hair maybe isn't at its best but he always looked good. Craig for me looks at his worst in Skyfall: the short hair kind of made his more brutish features pop.

    With only maybe Moore and Connery at their worst do I wonder how a Bond girls fall for them. In the case of Connery it's quite ironic because that's the only Bond film where the Bond actor actually was in a relationship (allegedly) with the Bond girl actress (and apparently the other one as well!)
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    Even more controversial: I think Connery looks great in DAF. I prefer his look here than in YOLT. 007 lost his wife in the previous film and the two years of grieving (off screen) aged him . We pick up as he's ready to get back to business and move on. I think Connery's great in the film. In looks and his performance.
    As for the short pink tie, change that Windsor knot to a four in hand and it would add length. It's never bothered me.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I love the colour pink and I can honestly not understand what's wrong with a man wearing a pink shirt or a pink tie. As long as it fits with the rest of the outfit of course, you don't want to look a Christmas tree.

    But pink shirts or ties go superb with a cream-coloured suit.

    The DAF tie though while I love the colour is a bit on the short side. Though I think that wasn't uncommon in the 70's, and you can't really blame a film for the fashion of the time it was made in.
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    Yes I agree that Connery in DAF is probably the Bond the least pleasant on the eyes across the series.

    Moore never really looked unattractive; in View he looked more out of place than unattractive. Dalton, even with dodgy hair, was believably attractive enough in LTK for me. Brosnan was pretty consistent throughout: in GE sometimes he's maybe not attractive in a Bond way; in TWINE his hair maybe isn't at its best but he always looked good. Craig for me looks at his worst in Skyfall: the short hair kind of made his more brutish features pop.

    With only maybe Moore and Connery at their worst do I wonder how a Bond girls fall for them. In the case of Connery it's quite ironic because that's the only Bond film where the Bond actor actually was in a relationship (allegedly) with the Bond girl actress (and apparently the other one as well!)

    Moore looks odd in AVTK. The casual clothes don't help either. He wasn't Charles Bronson to pull off looking like a cool old guy.
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    Honestly, Connery always looked cool to me. Even in the 70s, when he got a little heavy, grew his hair (what was left it) and sideburns, he still looked cool. I guess it's part of his rough, masculine charm. It looks like he's not trying too hard, but still looks just put together enough to not look like a deadbeat. It's something you could only get away with if you're as tall, handsome, and masculine as he was.

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    I actually think Daniel doesn't look great in QOS, with bad hair, weirdly tiny sunglasses etc.

    Really? I think he looks his best in QOS. They cut his hair too short in SF. Plus, the undersized suits.

    I reckon he looks his best in Spectre; the hair is great, he looks really healthy, great outfits.
    Yeah, the parting in QoS just looks a bit off to me.
    mtm wrote: »
    Pierce is also clearly great-looking, but a bit bouffant and thin in GE, and that Alan Partridge blazer look... yikes.

    I mean, Brosnan wasn't the first Bond to wear a double-breasted blazer.

    But in a smart/casual way, especially as it comes right after the (aargh) cravat look… A-Ha!
    Who else did it? George did I think, and looked rather like Prince Charles of the time. I guess Roger must have..?
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I love the colour pink and I can honestly not understand what's wrong with a man wearing a pink shirt or a pink tie.

    Nothing wrong with it at all.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Here's one, I never understood the hate for Connery's pink tie in DAF? So Bond doesn't always dress to the nines, what's the issue?

    It's literally just a tie that's the colour pink.

    tbh, as others have said, I think it's more to do with the size and shape than the fact that it's pink. But its easier to refer to it 'as the pink tie'.
    007HallY wrote: »

    I always forget how short the tie is :))

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    Crazy.
    007HallY wrote: »

    Bond has worn many outfits over the years, yet more seem put out by him wearing a pink tie than a full blown safari suit.

    The film outfits can be a bit bold by the late 60s/70s to be fair. OHMSS has some that are pretty out there.

    The pink tie with the giant knot isn't my favourite admittedly, but I can see the logic in a cream linen suit (it would obviously be very warm in Vegas).

    Ultimately I guess a lot of it simply comes down to 'James Bond doesn't wear pink because that's what women wear'. Which obviously isn't true!

    Well, women DO wear pink, especially in Fleming's books ( I think he had a thing for ladies in pink), but that ha
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Better a short pink tie than an overlong red one, meant to emphasize your private parts.

    I thought it was meant to cover those parts, not emhasize.
    Pink isn't a manly color.

    Why not?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gendered_associations_of_pink_and_blue

    interestingly and in addition to this article, we have a special treat here in The Netherlands for when kids are born, 'beschuit met muisjes', or 'rusk with mice', in which the mice are anise seeds covered with sugar in a white and blue/pink cover.

    Before people could know the gender of their kids, there was only one version sold: pink and white, with the pink for boys (strength) and white for girls (innocence). Only in the second half of the twentieth century would the company start making the white-and-blue version.

    I think it's utter rubbish to connect a colour to a gender. I don't see what the one has to do with the other and there's a lot of very young boys who love the colour pink, then beeing made insecure by society for no other than commercial branding reasons.

    Still, this all doesn't change the fact that I think Conneery's tie looks terrible on him. But a blue-or black one that size and shape would be of no improvement.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I love the colour pink and I can honestly not understand what's wrong with a man wearing a pink shirt or a pink tie.

    Neither can I. There's nothing "manly" or "unmanly" about colours, surely. What matters is the complete attire, and even then it narrows down to taste.

    Here's my rough impression of the various Bonds:
    • Connery looked smashing in a tux and a suit.
    • Lazenby looked cool in his sky outfit.
    • Moore "suffered" through '70s fashion, which I prefer least. His first three films showed clothing choices that I'm not too fond of. I do, however, love to see Moore in his "action" outfit at the end of LALD. Moore also dressed really well in black, e.g. when snooping around in Drax' castle.
    • I love pretty much everything they gave Dalton to wear. He looked particularly cool when confronting Pushkin.
    • Nothing but praise for what Brosnan and Craig wore in their films, to be honest. Brosnan looked very good in grey on blue right before the climax of TWINE.
  • edited November 20 Posts: 896
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Pierce is also clearly great-looking, but a bit bouffant and thin in GE, and that Alan Partridge blazer look... yikes.

    I mean, Brosnan wasn't the first Bond to wear a double-breasted blazer.

    But in a smart/casual way, especially as it comes right after the (aargh) cravat look… A-Ha!

    Well, a blazer is smart casual, regardless of how you wear it.
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Controversial opinion: in DAF Sean Connery is the worst looking Bond.

    I agree. At least, either Sean in DAF or Roger in LALD. Some odd clothing choices there. But I wasn't around in those days so the fashion may simply not speak to me.

    LALD, really? I thought Moore looked great, especially at his arrival in New York and in the climax.

    Connery in DAF simply doesn't look like Bond, imo. Out of shape, bad toupee, ill fitting clothes (never mind the pink tie). In fact, I think he doesn't look like himself either!
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    It’s not Connery’s best look, and he was obviously a little heavier and older. I don’t think he looks bad though, and he carries the weight fine. I’d even argue his toupee, sideburns and all, is much better than his one in NSNA (I actually think he looks a bit strange at points in the latter film, mostly owing to that bad wig. Not bad either, but it’s very obvious he’s been made up to look like Bond again). If they’d trimmed his brows in DAF I think it would have helped.

    Some of the fashion choices in Moore’s early films are certainly very 70s, but the man rocks the powder blue leisure suit.
  • edited November 20 Posts: 2,566
    DAF toupee is the best since GF IMO.

    I think Connery looks good in DAF. The problem is the excess weight, but he still looks strong.

    I think it's his eyebrows that make him look different, but it doesn't matter. They give him that dark look.

    Yes, NSNA wig wasn't that good. The funny thing is that TB toupee wasn't either.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Controversial opinion: in DAF Sean Connery is the worst looking Bond.

    I agree. At least, either Sean in DAF or Roger in LALD. Some odd clothing choices there. But I wasn't around in those days so the fashion may simply not speak to me.

    LALD, really? I thought Moore looked great, especially at his arrival in New York and in the climax.

    I think he does generally look really sharp; as you say, in NYC he looks very cool (I think he's wearing a Royal Navy tie there). But then there comes the double denim look, and it's quite challenging! :D
    Still, Roger must've liked it as there's photos of him shooting in other locations and he appears to have stolen the outfit for himself!

    Just for a bit of fun, I did make this little chart of his LALD looks a couple of years ago :D

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  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    Pink is simply not the most manly of colours, and if it was, Bond would be wearing a pink suit in every film instead of Blue.

    Blue is masculine, pink is feminine. Not a new age concept. That said, the pink tie in DAF looks terrible but the pink linen shirt in Thunderball looks good on Connery. but it would be odd if Connery's whole wardrobe was pink attire.
  • edited November 20 Posts: 6,399
    It's all a bit abstract in fairness. Go back far enough and pink wasn't as associated with being specifically a woman/girl's colour.

    I will say that I'm not sure if a bright pink suit or tuxedo like the ones Brosnan and Craig are wearing would be quite right for Bond. And obviously today it's stereotypically associated more with women. But perhaps a creamier, paler or even darker shade of pink might look good for a one off suit for a future Bond. Something for when Bond has to go undercover or is in warmer weather. I dunno, like:

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    Maybe darker shades of trousers on the first two would compliment them, but the last one isn't far off some of the lighter coloured beige suits Brosnan and Craig wore in their films.

    Although I can imagine the minor uproar it would cause :))
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    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Controversial opinion: in DAF Sean Connery is the worst looking Bond.

    I agree. At least, either Sean in DAF or Roger in LALD. Some odd clothing choices there. But I wasn't around in those days so the fashion may simply not speak to me.

    LALD, really? I thought Moore looked great, especially at his arrival in New York and in the climax.

    I think he does generally look really sharp; as you say, in NYC he looks very cool (I think he's wearing a Royal Navy tie there). But then there comes the double denim look, and it's quite challenging! :D
    Still, Roger must've liked it as there's photos of him shooting in other locations and he appears to have stolen the outfit for himself!

    Just for a bit of fun, I did make this little chart of his LALD looks a couple of years ago :D

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    I had forgotten the denim. Still, I'd say overall he looks at his best in LALD. It's a massive improvement over the previous movie, in any case. And at least he wears practical, functional clothes when it's required.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    I see what you're saying. Certainly the best shades of Pink that would work with a suit.

    The first just looks a little too Great Gatsby for Bond. The others are ok, but again, I wouldn't say they're Bond's style and I think there's better options. There's limited venues for him to wear them without looking silly.

    I guess a disguise would make sense, though.

  • edited November 20 Posts: 2,756
    The best action set pieces in all of the John Glen era isn’t found in LTK - but in Octopussy. From the pre title sequence - to the palace fight - to the train jumping - and finally the climax on Kamal Kahn’s getaway plane.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    The best action set pieces in all of the John Glen era isn’t found in LTK - but in Octopussy. From the pre title sequence - to the palace fight - to the train jumping - and finally the climax on Kamal Kahn’s getaway plane.

    Well I really like those scenes but nothing beats the tanker truck chase in LTK, best action scene of the franchise if you ask me.
  • GoldenGun wrote: »
    The best action set pieces in all of the John Glen era isn’t found in LTK - but in Octopussy. From the pre title sequence - to the palace fight - to the train jumping - and finally the climax on Kamal Kahn’s getaway plane.

    Well I really like those scenes but nothing beats the tanker truck chase in LTK, best action scene of the franchise if you ask me.

    Oh absolutely - but for the sheer number of set pieces I think Octopussy has the edge. Though I much prefer LTK as a film.
  • Love your LALD costume chart, mtm ! Have you made one for all the movies?
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    I think FYEO has better action scenes than Octopussy. At least they're more complex. The car chase, the skiing scene, the climbing scene, the underwater scene with Bond tied to Melina..
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    The best action set pieces in all of the John Glen era isn’t found in LTK - but in Octopussy. From the pre title sequence - to the palace fight - to the train jumping - and finally the climax on Kamal Kahn’s getaway plane.

    Well I really like those scenes but nothing beats the tanker truck chase in LTK, best action scene of the franchise if you ask me.

    Agreed, but I also think the Seaplane set piece is brilliant, and dovetails so well into the storyline! But, yes, that climax is thrilling and very well put together!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Monorailer wrote: »
    Love your LALD costume chart, mtm ! Have you made one for all the movies?

    Sadly not, I only got as far as TLD, LALD, CR and GF. I did do ones for Sean and Roger with one outfit from each of their films though :)
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