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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    thedove wrote: »
    This is who he was in the comics

    Simon Williams starts out as a rival industrialist to Tony Stark (Iron Man). After his company fails, he’s manipulated by Baron Zemo and the Masters of Evil, who transform him into a being of pure ionic energy. Given immense strength and durability, he becomes Wonder Man — originally sent to infiltrate and destroy the Avengers from within.

    However, Simon’s conscience wins out, and he sacrifices himself to save the Avengers — dying heroically in his first appearance.

    I am guessing that they aren't following this for the series. Though that sounds like an interesting story.

    In the comics he doesn’t stay dead for long (this is comics, after all). His consciousness is later restored, and he becomes a full-fledged Avenger. His powers include:

    Superhuman strength (on par with Thor and Hulk)

    Invulnerability

    Ionic energy manipulation

    Flight (in later versions)

    Immortality (his ionic body doesn’t age or tire)


    One of the fun twists in his story is that Wonder Man becomes a Hollywood actor and stuntman, giving him a very different kind of fame from his teammates. This “celebrity superhero” angle often brings humor, vanity, and humanity to his character. This looks like what they are exploring in this version.

    Marvel Studios has been developing a Wonder Man live-action series for Disney+, with Yahya Abdul-Mateen II cast as Simon Williams. The show is said to explore his life as a hero and Hollywood star, mixing satire with the superhero genre. But it would appear that Wonder Man won't have powers or by heroic? Interesting choice for them.

    Course some may make a deal out of the fact that the character in the comics was Caucasian and is now being place by a POC.

    Thank you, its give a lot more context to the two trailers.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    thedove wrote: »

    Course some may make a deal out of the fact that the character in the comics was Caucasian and is now being place by a POC.

    From the trailer it looks like that's kind of the point, I guess there will be a backlash to his race and that'll be part of the story of the actual show.

    It all looks a bit meta to me; like there have been other films and shows commenting on the superhero genre (like The Franchise) and now Marvel want even a piece of that pie; they can't even let other people spoof them.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I have pretty much given up on Marvel during phase 5, the last TV show I fully watched was Loki season 2 and not watched any of the movies since Deadpool and Wolverine and skipped a few of the films from phase 4. The quality in writing took a deep nose dive for me.

    I will give Wonder Man a chance as Yahya Abdul-Mateen II is a good actor and Ben Kingsley is amusing as Trevor.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 12 Posts: 19,558
    The last one I watched was Ms Marvel, and I don’t think I got to the end of it. The TV shows feel even more dispensable than the films. I started Secret Invasion and it was terrible.
    I did watch the Friendly Neighbourhood Spider Man cartoon a few weeks back when I had covid and it was enjoyable enough on my sickbed.

    I watched Thunderbolts a couple of weeks back; just nothingy, although maybe slightly less bland than Captain America 4 which feels like a TV movie.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I watched the Sentry/The Void scenes on YouTube which were ok if a bit short, that's all I needed to see from Thunderbolts*.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah, Superman has been the only decent superhero film recently, and it’s not amazing, but it did feel fresh in many ways at least.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    mtm wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »

    Course some may make a deal out of the fact that the character in the comics was Caucasian and is now being place by a POC.

    From the trailer it looks like that's kind of the point, I guess there will be a backlash to his race and that'll be part of the story of the actual show.

    It all looks a bit meta to me; like there have been other films and shows commenting on the superhero genre (like The Franchise) and now Marvel want even a piece of that pie; they can't even let other people spoof them.

    Yeah I am curious how this all fits in? The original movie of Wonder Man seems to fit in the Fantastic 4 timeline. But the remake seems to be set in present day? Is this a way to bridge those two generations? How does the Fantastic Four end up in Avengers Doomsday.

    I haven't seen any Disney Marvel Movies since...Spider-Man No Way Home? I did catch the OG Daredevil series. Also watched Hawkeye TV series. I have lost interest in the films and series as they have brought in characters that don't interest me or have characters I don't even know.
  • LibrarianLibrarian
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    thedove wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »

    Course some may make a deal out of the fact that the character in the comics was Caucasian and is now being place by a POC.

    From the trailer it looks like that's kind of the point, I guess there will be a backlash to his race and that'll be part of the story of the actual show.

    It all looks a bit meta to me; like there have been other films and shows commenting on the superhero genre (like The Franchise) and now Marvel want even a piece of that pie; they can't even let other people spoof them.

    Yeah I am curious how this all fits in? The original movie of Wonder Man seems to fit in the Fantastic 4 timeline. But the remake seems to be set in present day? Is this a way to bridge those two generations? How does the Fantastic Four end up in Avengers Doomsday.

    I haven't seen any Disney Marvel Movies since...Spider-Man No Way Home? I did catch the OG Daredevil series. Also watched Hawkeye TV series. I have lost interest in the films and series as they have brought in characters that don't interest me or have characters I don't even know.

    Well…, original Wonder Man movie definitely doesn't fit Fantastic 4 timeline because Fantastic Four (Earth 818) come from another universe than MCU (Earth 616).
    I suspect the Fantastic Four will meet up with the rest of the MCU heroes through some kind of rift in space-time.

  • SeanoSeano Minnesota. No, it's not always cold.
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    The Thunderbolts post-credit shows a rocket approaching Earth with a "4" logo on it (but it doesn't look like the rocket or logo from FF)
  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Marvel Studios' Wonder Man - Official Teaser Trailer (2026) Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, Ben Kingsley

    I am not familiar with this character/comic.

    Wonder Man - Official Trailer (2026) Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, Ben Kingsley

    I have no idea what to make of this? :-??
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Marvel Studios' Wonder Man - Official Teaser Trailer (2026) Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, Ben Kingsley

    I am not familiar with this character/comic.

    Wonder Man - Official Trailer (2026) Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, Ben Kingsley

    I have no idea what to make of this? :-??

    Then google it lol it's BASED ON A COMIC BOOK
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 7 Posts: 19,558
    Fantastic Four's on Disney now; just gave it a watch. I thought it was better than Thunderbolts, but it's not what I hoped it would be at all. It's very uninvolving and quite flat really, the opening act feels like it's been cut to ribbons and the characters are kind of presented to you rather than introduced, I just didn't care about them. Towards the end, Sue has to give a speech to mankind which put the entire world on her side, but she says nothing which would actually do that, and yet they all clap at the end. It's very curious.
    Superman is surprisingly similar in tone and yet absolutely nails it, it feels so much more fresh and energetic than this, and although it had problems, I came out of it really liking the central character and wanting to see more of him. With these four I feel nothing at all.

    There's a QR code at the end which leads to some free comics if you want more.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited November 8 Posts: 26,728
    mtm wrote: »
    Fantastic Four's on Disney now; just gave it a watch. I thought it was better than Thunderbolts, but it's not what I hoped it would be at all. It's very uninvolving and quite flat really, the opening act feels like it's been cut to ribbons and the characters are kind of presented to you rather than introduced, I just didn't care about them. Towards the end, Sue has to give a speech to mankind which put the entire world on her side, but she says nothing which would actually do that, and yet they all clap at the end. It's very curious.
    Superman is surprisingly similar in tone and yet absolutely nails it, it feels so much more fresh and energetic than this, and although it had problems, I came out of it really liking the central character and wanting to see more of him. With these four I feel nothing at all.

    There's a QR code at the end which leads to some free comics if you want more.

    I will give First Steps a watch as I have a Disney + subscription currently because of Only Murders In The Building. F4 will be the first MCU content I have watched this year.

    Edited: I lasted 1 minute and switched it off, I will stick to my Tim Story Blu-ray's.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Well colour me surprised..absolutely loved F4 First Steps

    Best superhero film i've seen in a long time!

    Everything mostly works like a charm in this confident production. Loved the retro/futuristic look of the film. The cast nail it big time. Wonderful chemistry from the Fab 4. I thought Vanessa Kirby was the stand out and steals the entire film IMO.

    Some really cool set pieces that aren't overwhelming, some wonderful humour straight out of the comics and a really deft origin sequence shot in a super 8 newsreel style that takes us through the F4's creation in a few minutes.

    Marvellous entertainment!
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