The David Arnold Appreciation Thread.

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    The 007 website has just published an interview with David Arnold. There isn't anything revelatory in it, but he's asked what his favourite five tracks are that he scored for Bond. He lists Surrender (TND), Night at the Opera (QOS), Elektra’s Theme (TWINE), Miami International (CR) and City of Lovers (CR), which I found rather interesting.

    I wonder how John Barry would have responded to the same question.

    Night at the Opera and Miami International are definitely in my Top 5 of his.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    FoxRox wrote: »
    The 007 website has just published an interview with David Arnold. There isn't anything revelatory in it, but he's asked what his favourite five tracks are that he scored for Bond. He lists Surrender (TND), Night at the Opera (QOS), Elektra’s Theme (TWINE), Miami International (CR) and City of Lovers (CR), which I found rather interesting.

    I wonder how John Barry would have responded to the same question.

    Night at the Opera and Miami International are definitely in my Top 5 of his.

    'City of Lovers' definitely in my top 5.

    For action it's, 'White Knight', 'African Rundown' and 'Come in 007 your time is up'
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’m not too crazy about “Miami International”. There’s that moment when the aircraft gets unveiled at the hangar and he just goes full blown 60s horns.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I always wonder if the Miami sequence could just have had an instrumental of YKMN playing; I feel like Barry would have done something like that.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I definitely think YKMN as an instrumental is underused. But that’s true of all the Arnold scores where he had a hand in the title song. Barry really knew how to utilize his title songs much better to the point they feel as integral as the Bond theme itself.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    Some of it is nostalgia talking but Casino Royale's score is one of my favourites, even Independent of the film, I'll still stick it on for one track and end up listening to the rest of it. And I really like how it incorporates the title song. 'Aston Montenegro' is one of my favourite Bond tracks. It feels Bondian without being the literal Barry theme, which is exactly what Casino is going for ofc.

    My only problem is that it transitions so neatly into 'Dinner Jackets' and 'The Tell' that when it gets to 'Stairwell Fight' you get the shock of your life with its very loud, very aggressive openings bars 😂
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    I definitely think YKMN as an instrumental is underused. But that’s true of all the Arnold scores where he had a hand in the title song. Barry really knew how to utilize his title songs much better to the point they feel as integral as the Bond theme itself.

    The YKMN instrumental is used in nine tracks on the soundtrack.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Surprising, they didn’t leave much of an impression.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 9:08am Posts: 2,937
    I agree with @MakeshiftPython & @mtm Arnold should have used YKMN very well. I know he used it in subtle ways. But it needed to be used the way Barry does it...Big & Bold!
  • bcaloubcalou France
    edited 9:31am Posts: 93
    Interesting to see the various opinions on this score!
    I personally think Miami International is a masterpiece of action scoring and tension building.

    YKMN makes several bold apparences (at 8:25 for exemple).

    Then at 9:36, I LOVE how the horns begin to blur the line between YKMN and the Bond theme, at least that's how I hear it (YKMN is actually based on the guitar riff of the Bond Theme. Same musical intervals with a different structure).

    Then at 9:59 we are now in full Bond Theme territory, but the build has been so expertly crafted that it actually took me years to notice, maybe I'm just slow, I don't know :p
    It's not the glorious/victorious Bond Theme that we all know and love, it's much more tense, which really makes sense storywise (no, CR doesn't wait till the end to use the Bond Theme ;)).

    The hybrid YKNM/Bond Theme comes back at 12:14 for the amazing finale.

    Masterpiece!

  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Oh, I absolutely love Arnold's CR score. It's one gorgeous listen. I just wanted a lot more of YKMN in it. Because I really love YKMN.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I agree with @MakeshiftPython & @mtm Arnold should have used YKMN very well. I know he used it in subtle ways. But it needed to be used the way Barry does it...Big & Bold!

    Yeah, Miami has a fair bit of the Mickey Mouse-ing to me, and I kind of like that in things like, for example, the aeroplane fight or rooftop escape in TLD, Barry would simply play the tune in full and it worked brilliantly. YKMN is a great bit of action music, I feel like it would have worked getting a full play.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    mtm wrote: »
    I agree with @MakeshiftPython & @mtm Arnold should have used YKMN very well. I know he used it in subtle ways. But it needed to be used the way Barry does it...Big & Bold!

    Yeah, Miami has a fair bit of the Mickey Mouse-ing to me, and I kind of like that in things like, for example, the aeroplane fight or rooftop escape in TLD, Barry would simply play the tune in full and it worked brilliantly. YKMN is a great bit of action music, I feel like it would have worked getting a full play.

    Exactly. My thoughts too.
  • bcaloubcalou France
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    mtm wrote: »
    I agree with @MakeshiftPython & @mtm Arnold should have used YKMN very well. I know he used it in subtle ways. But it needed to be used the way Barry does it...Big & Bold!

    Yeah, Miami has a fair bit of the Mickey Mouse-ing to me, and I kind of like that in things like, for example, the aeroplane fight or rooftop escape in TLD, Barry would simply play the tune in full and it worked brilliantly. YKMN is a great bit of action music, I feel like it would have worked getting a full play.

    I actually agree about the Mickey Mouse-ing. I think it is done right and elevate the Miami scene, but I totally get that it's not everyone's taste. Sometimes it is a bit much.

    The orchestra hits at 7:52 combined with the close-ups of the truck (closer and closer) are so unintentionally funny, but I still love it.

    I respectfully disagree about using YNMY like Barry would have done it. Actions scenes drastically changed after LTD (in Bond and overall), so I guess the music had to change to. Kamen was the first to depart from this (granted, he didn't write LTK's title song).

    We often talk about GE soundtrack as something completly different (do I dare say innovative?) but I think LTK is really a big leap too for the franchise sound. And I can't think of any Bond post LTD where the theme plays during an action scene "à la John Barry", because I think it just wouldn't work. But Arnold is very good at injecting the main theme (or "I Will Return" for DAD) in the score, I think.

    And again, it's all a matter of preferences of course :)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 2:43pm Posts: 19,400
    bcalou wrote: »
    . And I can't think of any Bond post LTD where the theme plays during an action scene "à la John Barry", because I think it just wouldn't work.

    Yeah, you might be right. It's not something you really hear at all nowadays; the closest thing is probably when James Gunn or Ryan Reynolds or someone does a needle drop of an ironically cheesy and upbeat 90s song during an action scene, which is inevitably all done in one shot (I really don't need to see that again).

    Random thought: maybe we should do a 'best cue from every score' thread? Would folks be up for that?
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 3:03pm Posts: 2,937
    mtm wrote: »
    bcalou wrote: »
    . And I can't think of any Bond post LTD where the theme plays during an action scene "à la John Barry", because I think it just wouldn't work.

    Yeah, you might be right. It's not something you really hear at all nowadays; the closest thing is probably when James Gunn or Ryan Reynolds or someone does a needle drop of an ironically cheesy and upbeat 90s song during an action scene, which is inevitably all done in one shot (I really don't need to see that again).

    Random thought: maybe we should do a 'best cue from every score' thread? Would folks be up for that?

    Yeah. Also, nice idea for a thread. I'm in!
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