EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Steven Knight to Write)

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  • Posts: 448
    Amazon are quite happy waiting until 2029.

    2029? Too early! I'm thinking 2034 or 2035.

    So 2040. Got it.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,998
    It took Denis over 2 years to make each of the Dune films, it will be the same for Bond. Even once filmmaking/editting is finished Imagine the level of exec scrutiny and corporate rubber-stamping this film will have to go through before it is released to the public. Amazon are quite happy waiting until 2029.

    Link or speculation?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,678
    echo wrote: »
    It took Denis over 2 years to make each of the Dune films, it will be the same for Bond. Even once filmmaking/editting is finished Imagine the level of exec scrutiny and corporate rubber-stamping this film will have to go through before it is released to the public. Amazon are quite happy waiting until 2029.

    Link or speculation?

    Virtually every scene in a Dune film has a visual effect in it; that’s not true for a Bond production.

    Once a script is locked, there’s little doubt that a Bond could be produced in under 2 years, even a year or under.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 704
    Ideally the perfect Bond 26 would be a mixture of Casino Royale with some of the harder edges toned down, and Goldeneye with some of the sillier crowd pleasing moments toned down. Come to think of if, that'd Basically what The Living Daylights already was, and this the perfect template for Bond 26. They hit the tone of Bond perfectly, and somehow captured both the Fleming and cinematic Bond and transfused them into one finished piece, and all while drawing from real-life contemporary world events (Afghanistan/Opium). I think that with Villeneuve supplying the dry, hard-edge and Knight supplying the lightness of touch we could end up with a film that feels relevant and captures the brutality of our times, but also provide audiences with the familiar (if slightly subtler) triumphant heroism and escapism we crave.

    I think Bond 26 needs BOTH to succeed. Without an real, earnest heroism it will fail, and without an honestly and rawness it will also fail.

    Agreed it needs both.
  • MalloryMallory Rules Reastaurant
    Posts: 2,393
    talos7 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    It took Denis over 2 years to make each of the Dune films, it will be the same for Bond. Even once filmmaking/editting is finished Imagine the level of exec scrutiny and corporate rubber-stamping this film will have to go through before it is released to the public. Amazon are quite happy waiting until 2029.

    Link or speculation?

    Virtually every scene in a Dune film has a visual effect in it; that’s not true for a Bond production.

    Once a script is locked, there’s little doubt that a Bond could be produced in under 2 years, even a year or under.

    Sure, Bond doesn't have as many as something like Dune (Part 2 had 2500), but NTTD still had nearly 1500 VFX shots in it.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,678
    Mallory wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    It took Denis over 2 years to make each of the Dune films, it will be the same for Bond. Even once filmmaking/editting is finished Imagine the level of exec scrutiny and corporate rubber-stamping this film will have to go through before it is released to the public. Amazon are quite happy waiting until 2029.

    Link or speculation?

    Virtually every scene in a Dune film has a visual effect in it; that’s not true for a Bond production.

    Once a script is locked, there’s little doubt that a Bond could be produced in under 2 years, even a year or under.

    Sure, Bond doesn't have as many as something like Dune (Part 2 had 2500), but NTTD still had nearly 1500 VFX shots in it.

    Well, it depends on what they will be going for; something more grounded, like Casino Royale, would have a shorter post production
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 19,303
    Mallory wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    It took Denis over 2 years to make each of the Dune films, it will be the same for Bond. Even once filmmaking/editting is finished Imagine the level of exec scrutiny and corporate rubber-stamping this film will have to go through before it is released to the public. Amazon are quite happy waiting until 2029.

    Link or speculation?

    Virtually every scene in a Dune film has a visual effect in it; that’s not true for a Bond production.

    Once a script is locked, there’s little doubt that a Bond could be produced in under 2 years, even a year or under.

    Sure, Bond doesn't have as many as something like Dune (Part 2 had 2500), but NTTD still had nearly 1500 VFX shots in it.

    Yeah the work they did on it was amazing, proper seamless stuff.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,777
    talos7 wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    It took Denis over 2 years to make each of the Dune films, it will be the same for Bond. Even once filmmaking/editting is finished Imagine the level of exec scrutiny and corporate rubber-stamping this film will have to go through before it is released to the public. Amazon are quite happy waiting until 2029.

    Link or speculation?

    Virtually every scene in a Dune film has a visual effect in it; that’s not true for a Bond production.

    Once a script is locked, there’s little doubt that a Bond could be produced in under 2 years, even a year or under.

    Sure, Bond doesn't have as many as something like Dune (Part 2 had 2500), but NTTD still had nearly 1500 VFX shots in it.

    Well, it depends on what they will be going for; something more grounded, like Casino Royale, would have a shorter post production

    It’ll be interesting to see what kind of production and post timelines they’ll budget for. Without a formal release date it’s all speculation, but a grounded film with little to no SFX , like the recent One Battle After Another had six months of principal and twelve months for post(!). And I’d wager that all Bond films moving forward will still have a ton of effects due to the action sequences alone.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 9,258
    peter wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    It took Denis over 2 years to make each of the Dune films, it will be the same for Bond. Even once filmmaking/editting is finished Imagine the level of exec scrutiny and corporate rubber-stamping this film will have to go through before it is released to the public. Amazon are quite happy waiting until 2029.

    Link or speculation?

    Virtually every scene in a Dune film has a visual effect in it; that’s not true for a Bond production.

    Once a script is locked, there’s little doubt that a Bond could be produced in under 2 years, even a year or under.

    Sure, Bond doesn't have as many as something like Dune (Part 2 had 2500), but NTTD still had nearly 1500 VFX shots in it.

    Well, it depends on what they will be going for; something more grounded, like Casino Royale, would have a shorter post production

    It’ll be interesting to see what kind of production and post timelines they’ll budget for. Without a formal release date it’s all speculation, but a grounded film with little to no SFX , like the recent One Battle After Another had six months of principal and twelve months for post(!). And I’d wager that all Bond films moving forward will still have a ton of effects due to the action sequences alone.

    No Bond until 2029.
  • Posts: 6,057
    Worth saying post isn’t just VFX but the whole thing - editing, sound, colour correction/grading, titles etc. It’s a process that you have to go through, and even a film with less VFX (whatever that means in this case) can take a while.
  • peter wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    It took Denis over 2 years to make each of the Dune films, it will be the same for Bond. Even once filmmaking/editting is finished Imagine the level of exec scrutiny and corporate rubber-stamping this film will have to go through before it is released to the public. Amazon are quite happy waiting until 2029.

    Link or speculation?

    Virtually every scene in a Dune film has a visual effect in it; that’s not true for a Bond production.

    Once a script is locked, there’s little doubt that a Bond could be produced in under 2 years, even a year or under.

    Sure, Bond doesn't have as many as something like Dune (Part 2 had 2500), but NTTD still had nearly 1500 VFX shots in it.

    Well, it depends on what they will be going for; something more grounded, like Casino Royale, would have a shorter post production

    It’ll be interesting to see what kind of production and post timelines they’ll budget for. Without a formal release date it’s all speculation, but a grounded film with little to no SFX , like the recent One Battle After Another had six months of principal and twelve months for post(!). And I’d wager that all Bond films moving forward will still have a ton of effects due to the action sequences alone.

    No Bond until 2029.

    Too optimistic. No Bond until 2049.
  • MalloryMallory Rules Reastaurant
    Posts: 2,393
    peter wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    It took Denis over 2 years to make each of the Dune films, it will be the same for Bond. Even once filmmaking/editting is finished Imagine the level of exec scrutiny and corporate rubber-stamping this film will have to go through before it is released to the public. Amazon are quite happy waiting until 2029.

    Link or speculation?

    Virtually every scene in a Dune film has a visual effect in it; that’s not true for a Bond production.

    Once a script is locked, there’s little doubt that a Bond could be produced in under 2 years, even a year or under.

    Sure, Bond doesn't have as many as something like Dune (Part 2 had 2500), but NTTD still had nearly 1500 VFX shots in it.

    Well, it depends on what they will be going for; something more grounded, like Casino Royale, would have a shorter post production

    It’ll be interesting to see what kind of production and post timelines they’ll budget for. Without a formal release date it’s all speculation, but a grounded film with little to no SFX , like the recent One Battle After Another had six months of principal and twelve months for post(!). And I’d wager that all Bond films moving forward will still have a ton of effects due to the action sequences alone.

    No Bond until 2029.

    Too optimistic. No Bond until 2049.

    Bond Runner 2049 😎
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,777
    The producers will have a schedule and will budget accordingly. I think the example I gave above for OBAA is one extreme, where Warners gave their boy all the time in the world.

    Bond is a tentpole and they’ll give enough time for shooting and post (and yes, post is the whole shebang (editing, sound, adr, VFX, color correction…)). These producers will give the artist and his team time, but just enough of it.

    A guess? 2028 is now a safe target. 2027 is a closing window with each day, and 2029 is too long. These guys want their crown jewel out there.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 9,258
    They aren't idiots. I can't see amazon releasing a film into cinemas just to hit 2028, because 2029 is "too long". From the perspective of living in October 6th 2025 it may seem like a long time, but what about when cameras still haven't rolled 18 months from now? Then it starts to feel a lot more feasible.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,777
    They aren't idiots. I can't see amazon releasing a film into cinemas just to hit 2028, because 2029 is "too long". From the perspective of living in October 6th 2025 it may seem like a long time, but what about when cameras still haven't rolled 18 months from now? Then it starts to feel a lot more feasible.

    Huh? You’re reading into things a year and a half away that haven’t happened.

    And actually, producers want their main IPs on a regular cycle, so, yeah, 2029 seems too long, not just for their IP, but for people like their director and producers who also have other gigs lined up!

    But hey, @Mendes4Lyfe , you know better than anyone, and you can obviously read the future.

    I’ll join the chorus in telling you to calm down, or just don’t go on this site every day. It’s obviously bad for your mental health. Seriously.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 9,258
    I suppose it could be a Christmas movie like TND or the Lord of the Rings films.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,895
    I went to see GoldenEye in cinemas over the weekend and it was a great experience. I hope Amazon take some lessons from that film in particular.

    The main two are dialogue and character. The script in GE is brilliant and the characters are rounded and interesting, they all feel real and lived in

    Natalya is one of my favourite Bond girls of the series, I hope we get a Bond girl like her in Bond 26. Resilient, resourceful and yet still sexy and playful. You can't help but fall in love with Natalya. A wonderfully written character and a great performance by Izabella Scorupco
  • Posts: 2,441
    I don't know, "boys with toys" and "For England" aren't really great lines.
  • Posts: 492
    I don't know, "boys with toys" and "For England" aren't really great lines.

    Great lines aren’t without context. “For England” works as a sinister foreshadowing of Alec’s betrayal of both England and Bond, and as a callback at the end of GoldenEye. Bond kills Alec, not for England, but for himself.
  • Posts: 2,441
    Burgess wrote: »
    I don't know, "boys with toys" and "For England" aren't really great lines.

    Great lines aren’t without context. “For England” works as a sinister foreshadowing of Alec’s betrayal of both England and Bond, and as a callback at the end of GoldenEye. Bond kills Alec, not for England, but for himself.

    It's a bit obvious, isn't it?
  • edited October 8 Posts: 492
    Burgess wrote: »
    I don't know, "boys with toys" and "For England" aren't really great lines.

    Great lines aren’t without context. “For England” works as a sinister foreshadowing of Alec’s betrayal of both England and Bond, and as a callback at the end of GoldenEye. Bond kills Alec, not for England, but for himself.

    It's a bit obvious, isn't it?

    Is the line subtle? No. But subtlety isn’t a synonym for good.

    The effectiveness of a line or the plot or a character or the theme is what matters to me.

    Is the line effective? Our common understanding of the subtext beneath the line suggests that it is.


  • ArapahoeBondFanArapahoeBondFan Colorado
    Posts: 150
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I went to see GoldenEye in cinemas over the weekend and it was a great experience. I hope Amazon take some lessons from that film in particular.

    The main two are dialogue and character. The script in GE is brilliant and the characters are rounded and interesting, they all feel real and lived in

    Natalya is one of my favourite Bond girls of the series, I hope we get a Bond girl like her in Bond 26. Resilient, resourceful and yet still sexy and playful. You can't help but fall in love with Natalya. A wonderfully written character and a great performance by Izabella Scorupco

    Did the exact same thing last night with the exact same feelings. What a great way to introduce a new Bond after such a long hiatus. I was more aware of, and absolutely loved, Brosnan's immense situational awareness. Rarely did anything sneak up on him.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,895
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I went to see GoldenEye in cinemas over the weekend and it was a great experience. I hope Amazon take some lessons from that film in particular.

    The main two are dialogue and character. The script in GE is brilliant and the characters are rounded and interesting, they all feel real and lived in

    Natalya is one of my favourite Bond girls of the series, I hope we get a Bond girl like her in Bond 26. Resilient, resourceful and yet still sexy and playful. You can't help but fall in love with Natalya. A wonderfully written character and a great performance by Izabella Scorupco

    Did the exact same thing last night with the exact same feelings. What a great way to introduce a new Bond after such a long hiatus. I was more aware of, and absolutely loved, Brosnan's immense situational awareness. Rarely did anything sneak up on him.

    Yeah I noticed that watching it this time round, Pierce felt really confident as Bond, like his Bond had been there and done it all.

    How great was it to see Bond back on the big screen
  • Posts: 2,441
    Burgess wrote: »
    Burgess wrote: »
    I don't know, "boys with toys" and "For England" aren't really great lines.

    Great lines aren’t without context. “For England” works as a sinister foreshadowing of Alec’s betrayal of both England and Bond, and as a callback at the end of GoldenEye. Bond kills Alec, not for England, but for himself.

    It's a bit obvious, isn't it?

    Is the line subtle? No. But subtlety isn’t a synonym for good.

    The effectiveness of a line or the plot or a character or the theme is what matters to me.

    Is the line effective? Our common understanding of the subtext beneath the line suggests that it is.


    There is no subtext below that line. It's pure text! Of course it is easy to understand.

    ;)
  • Posts: 6,057
    I think the lines are fine in the context of the movie. Bond films have certainly had worse dialogue (some of the stuff in CR is pretty shocking).
  • edited 10:55am Posts: 835
    I've never minded the dialogue in CR. And I do like the oft-criticised 'little finger' line. In my opinion, there's much worse stuff in DAD and NTTD.
  • edited 11:02am Posts: 6,057
    I've never minded the dialogue in CR. And I do like the oft-criticised 'little finger' line. In my opinion, there's much worse stuff in DAD and NTTD.

    I think it helps that Craig and the other actors are able to sell it. But some of it’s not great (I’ve never even liked the lines about Bond’s armour or the ‘half monk half hitman’ rubbish).

    There’s some cracking dialogue in the Craig films overall, but I think CR is the weakest in this area. I like a lot of GE’s script (there’s a reason they used the Onnatop encounter to audition actors, and there’s actually a lot of subtext to that scene all while weaving in all the typical Bond stuff. I think the Craig era’s equivalent is the Severine meeting in SF).
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 9,258
    007HallY wrote: »
    I've never minded the dialogue in CR. And I do like the oft-criticised 'little finger' line. In my opinion, there's much worse stuff in DAD and NTTD.

    I think it helps that Craig and the other actors are able to sell it. But some of it’s not great (I’ve never even liked the lines about Bond’s armour or the ‘half monk half hitman’ rubbish).

    There’s some cracking dialogue in the Craig films overall, but I think CR is the weakest in this area. I like a lot of GE’s script (there’s a reason they used the Onnatop encounter to audition actors, and there’s actually a lot of subtext to that scene all while weaving in all the typical Bond stuff. I think the Craig era’s equivalent is the Severine meeting in SF).

    I dislike that linkin park dialogue from CR also. It was certainly a sign of the times.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,518
    007HallY wrote: »
    I've never minded the dialogue in CR. And I do like the oft-criticised 'little finger' line. In my opinion, there's much worse stuff in DAD and NTTD.

    I think it helps that Craig and the other actors are able to sell it. But some of it’s not great (I’ve never even liked the lines about Bond’s armour or the ‘half monk half hitman’ rubbish).

    There’s some cracking dialogue in the Craig films overall, but I think CR is the weakest in this area. I like a lot of GE’s script (there’s a reason they used the Onnatop encounter to audition actors, and there’s actually a lot of subtext to that scene all while weaving in all the typical Bond stuff. I think the Craig era’s equivalent is the Severine meeting in SF).

    SP for me had the worst dialogue of the Craig films.

    The M scene where 'C' turns up is especially appalling.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 704
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I went to see GoldenEye in cinemas over the weekend and it was a great experience. I hope Amazon take some lessons from that film in particular.

    The main two are dialogue and character. The script in GE is brilliant and the characters are rounded and interesting, they all feel real and lived in

    Natalya is one of my favourite Bond girls of the series, I hope we get a Bond girl like her in Bond 26. Resilient, resourceful and yet still sexy and playful. You can't help but fall in love with Natalya. A wonderfully written character and a great performance by Izabella Scorupco

    GE really was fresh new start for Bond. We need that next time a round too.
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