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Which scene in the series caused you to experience a first time deep feeling - positive or negative?

LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
edited September 23 in Bond Movies Posts: 4,499
Apologies if this has been discussed before. If so, Mods, please don't hesitate to close it or suggest different wording..

This question was asked on a James Bond FB group and i thought it was a good one.

For myself this feeling (positive) hit me with the intro to Dalton's Bond in TLD. Dressed in commando gear and deadly serious. This looked like a dangerous man!

I had just started reading the books and obviously my idea of Bond had changed dramatically. And Dalton was actually playing Fleming's character as written.
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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited September 23 Posts: 26,501
    Negative was when Bond was killed in NTTD, the whole build up to the end of the film is terrible its so convoluted the way the writers kill Bond.

    Positive I recall watching TND in the cinema and hearing David Arnold awesome score for the first time 'White Knight'... that was what I had been waiting for a long time, I was humming the score to the film for month's after. Just put that scene on now.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Yeah the negative will always be the NTTD ending.

    Positive is the entire Dam/Facility opening of GE. Being 11 years old and playing the n64 game daily, seeing that come to life in movie form, being also the first Bond film I watched on a fall night on NBC in 1999 will never be topped.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    I also agree with @LeonardPine , it has to be Daltons arrival. I too had only recently got into the books, and he fitted Flemings Bond to a tee! Will never forget that first viewing of TLD , I made a return trip asap, I thought it was a superb performance, and the movie was splendid too!
    Negative?, well ,no need to ask, The Brossa era, I was so depressed at his first appearance, and each movie after that, what was more deflating was that I thought he was going to go and on in the role, possibly equalling Connery and Moores appearances, so it was with elation when I heard they were recasting! Second to Daltons debut, has to be Craigs appearance!
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Negative was when Bond was killed in NTTD, the whole build up to the end of the film is terrible its so convoluted the way the writers kill Bond.

    Positive I recall watching TND in the cinema and hearing David Arnold awesome score for the first time 'White Knight'... that was what I had been waiting for a long time, I was humming the score to the film for month's after. Just put that scene on now.

    Great answer @Fire_and_Ice_Returns

    I think the NTTD will feature heavily on this topic!

    But completely agree on the 'White Knight' sequence!
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    Yeah the negative will always be the NTTD ending.

    Positive is the entire Dam/Facility opening of GE. Being 11 years old and playing the n64 game daily, seeing that come to life in movie form, being also the first Bond film I watched on a fall night on NBC in 1999 will never be topped.

    Wow! @Last_Rat_Standing That must have been something after playing the actual game!
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    I also agree with @LeonardPine , it has to be Daltons arrival. I too had only recently got into the books, and he fitted Flemings Bond to a tee! Will never forget that first viewing of TLD , I made a return trip asap, I thought it was a superb performance, and the movie was splendid too!
    Negative?, well ,no need to ask, The Brossa era, I was so depressed at his first appearance, and each movie after that, what was more deflating was that I thought he was going to go and on in the role, possibly equalling Connery and Moores appearances, so it was with elation when I heard they were recasting! Second to Daltons debut, has to be Craigs appearance!

    Great answer @Mathis1 it must have been a dark few years for you between 1995 and 2002... :))
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    Negative: I never liked GE's beach scene. I always thought they were both out of character. Even now I still don't like it.

    Positive: I don't know. The FRWL fight was always something cool even if you don't like the movie.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    Negative: I never liked GE's beach scene. I always thought they were both out of character. Even now I still don't like it.

    Positive: I don't know. The FRWL fight was always something cool even if you don't like the movie.

    Yeah, Brosnan just seems lost in that beach scene..
  • mattjoesmattjoes
    edited September 23 Posts: 7,267
    When seeing Xenia's sexual abandon, I was hit by a deep positive feeling. Then, when the Admiral was dying, I was hit by a negative feeling. Then, when Bond found him, dead but grinning, I didn't know what to feel.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    When seeing Xenia's sexual abandon, I was hit by a deep positive feeling. Then, when the Admiral was dying, I was hit by a negative feeling. Then, when Bond found him, dead but grinning, I didn't know what to feel.

    :)) Good answer...
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Probably Trevelyan revealed to still be alive. My young mind couldn’t comprehend it and was intrigued; and intrigue which has lasted these 25 years or so.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Probably Trevelyan revealed to still be alive. My young mind couldn’t comprehend it and was intrigued; and intrigue which has lasted these 25 years or so.

    Great answer! But was it a positive or negative experience..?

  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    LeonardPine wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Probably Trevelyan revealed to still be alive. My young mind couldn’t comprehend it and was intrigued; and intrigue which has lasted these 25 years or so.

    Great answer! But was it a positive or negative experience..?

    Haha an interesting question, I'd say it was a positive experience because it captivated me so much. My original thought was that Bond existed in the world of the supernatural because I thought he did actually come back from the dead!
    Goldeneye is also one of my earliest memories with my dad so I'd say it's definitely positive in that regard.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Probably Trevelyan revealed to still be alive. My young mind couldn’t comprehend it and was intrigued; and intrigue which has lasted these 25 years or so.

    Great answer! But was it a positive or negative experience..?

    Haha an interesting question, I'd say it was a positive experience because it captivated me so much. My original thought was that Bond existed in the world of the supernatural because I thought he did actually come back from the dead!
    Goldeneye is also one of my earliest memories with my dad so I'd say it's definitely positive in that regard.

    Great stuff. How old were you when you saw it?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I have such a bad memory for these things and unfortunately couldn’t tell you exactly. Too young for some of that Xenia stuff lol
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 23 Posts: 19,153
    It has to be from one I saw in the cinema, I guess? Because no matter how good the others are, you just don't get the same feelings you do in the cinema.

    So for positive, in terms of moments, I guess maybe the GoldenEye tank chase? I'd watched loads of clips, but nothing had prepared me for just how funny and joyous it would be, it really kind of celebrates the heroicism of Bond, and well as just being gloriously funny. Or it might be something like the moment in Skyfall when the DB5 gets to use its machine guns: so much great build-up to it, and so wonderfully fan-pleasing! The 'backseat driver' end to the TND PTS perhaps- hadn't been shown in any preview clips or anything and had the whole cinema laughing and clapping. Or the opening to Casino Royale, including the foot chase- just thinking "oh wow, this reboot is really working". Maybe just the terrific 'Bond James Bond' ending to CR.

    In terms of negative reaction, I struggle a bit. I don't really remember an overwhelmingly negative reaction to any of it. Maybe that appalling model shot of the Ice Dragster going over the cliff in DAD? A real sort of 'what are they thinking?' moment, but that kind of stuff is only fleeting. Maybe something will occur to me.

    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Probably Trevelyan revealed to still be alive. My young mind couldn’t comprehend it and was intrigued; and intrigue which has lasted these 25 years or so.

    Great answer! But was it a positive or negative experience..?

    Haha an interesting question, I'd say it was a positive experience because it captivated me so much. My original thought was that Bond existed in the world of the supernatural because I thought he did actually come back from the dead!

    I mean he kind of does: something I only thought recently is, apart from all the stuff about when he and Ouromov came up with the plan and how they pulled off the gunshot trick, shortly after he's 'killed', Bond drops a hundred of so large metal barrels on Alec too! :D
  • mattjoesmattjoes
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    It was only a flesh wound.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Positive:
    - First time I saw the sniper scene and Koskov escape in TLD. Atmospheric Cold War spy suspense at its very best, with a magnificent Tim at the centre of it all.
    - Second place would go to GE's pts, another one full of Cold War spy atmosphere, and that phenomenal Serra track that goes with it.

    Negative:
    - First time viewing of NTTD's ending. Depressing experience.
    - A close contender, but only after several viewings as I grew older I suppose, is GF's barn scene. Even to 1960's standards, it's just wildly inappropriate.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    mtm wrote: »
    It has to be from one I saw in the cinema, I guess? Because no matter how good the others are, you just don't get the same feelings you do in the cinema.

    So for positive, in terms of moments, I guess maybe the GoldenEye tank chase? I'd watched loads of clips, but nothing had prepared me for just how funny and joyous it would be, it really kind of celebrates the heroicism of Bond, and well as just being gloriously funny. Or it might be something like the moment in Skyfall when the DB5 gets to use its machine guns: so much great build-up to it, and so wonderfully fan-pleasing! The 'backseat driver' end to the TND PTS perhaps- hadn't been shown in any preview clips or anything and had the whole cinema laughing and clapping. Or the opening to Casino Royale, including the foot chase- just thinking "oh wow, this reboot is really working". Maybe just the terrific 'Bond James Bond' ending to CR.

    In terms of negative reaction, I struggle a bit. I don't really remember an overwhelmingly negative reaction to any of it. Maybe that appalling model shot of the Ice Dragster going over the cliff in DAD? A real sort of 'what are they thinking?' moment, but that kind of stuff is only fleeting. Maybe something will occur to me.

    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Probably Trevelyan revealed to still be alive. My young mind couldn’t comprehend it and was intrigued; and intrigue which has lasted these 25 years or so.

    Great answer! But was it a positive or negative experience..?

    Haha an interesting question, I'd say it was a positive experience because it captivated me so much. My original thought was that Bond existed in the world of the supernatural because I thought he did actually come back from the dead!

    I mean he kind of does: something I only thought recently is, apart from all the stuff about when he and Ouromov came up with the plan and how they pulled off the gunshot trick, shortly after he's 'killed', Bond drops a hundred of so large metal barrels on Alec too! :D

    Great answer @mtm 👍
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Positive:
    - First time I saw the sniper scene and Koskov escape in TLD. Atmospheric Cold War spy suspense at its very best, with a magnificent Tim at the centre of it all.
    - Second place would go to GE's pts, another one full of Cold War spy atmosphere, and that phenomenal Serra track that goes with it.

    Negative:
    - First time viewing of NTTD's ending. Depressing experience.
    - A close contender, but only after several viewings as I grew older I suppose, is GF's barn scene. Even to 1960's standards, it's just wildly inappropriate.

    Can't beat that 'Cold War' atmosphere, @GoldenGun It's so Bondian!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    My most positive Bond experience was definitely watching GoldenEye for the first time with my dad. We had both played the game prior to seeing the movie so finally watching it with an hearing the gunbarrel music for the first time was such an amazing experience for me.

    My most negative Bond experience was watching NTTD. It's the only Bond movie that I did not like at all and wish I could erase it from my memory. I did try giving it a second chance but it was still just as bad.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    LeonardPine wrote: »
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Positive:
    - First time I saw the sniper scene and Koskov escape in TLD. Atmospheric Cold War spy suspense at its very best, with a magnificent Tim at the centre of it all.
    - Second place would go to GE's pts, another one full of Cold War spy atmosphere, and that phenomenal Serra track that goes with it.

    Negative:
    - First time viewing of NTTD's ending. Depressing experience.
    - A close contender, but only after several viewings as I grew older I suppose, is GF's barn scene. Even to 1960's standards, it's just wildly inappropriate.

    Can't beat that 'Cold War' atmosphere, @GoldenGun It's so Bondian!

    Thanks, mate :)
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Positive deep feeling: this may surprise some, but it was those first close ups of Roger Moore as he finds the body of 003 in AVTAK. I was 10 when my folks took me to AVTAK opening weekend, and that close up of Bond put a huge smile on my face. It felt like seeing a favorite relative for the first time in ages. A few months earlier my parents and I took a trip to visit my Grandfather, who we hadn't seen in a couple years. I had kind of the same emotional reaction.

    Negative deep feeling: if the ending of NTTD hadn't been spoiled for me I might feel like other do here. Instead I find it unintentionally funny.
    That said, Felix Leiter's death scene had a bigger impact on me. Personally I had experienced the passing of a few close friends and loved ones that year. Bond losing Felix was the last thing I wanted to see. To this day I won't watch it.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Positive deep feeling: this may surprise some, but it was those first close ups of Roger Moore as he finds the body of 003 in AVTAK. I was 10 when my folks took me to AVTAK opening weekend, and that close up of Bond put a huge smile on my face. It felt like seeing a favorite relative for the first time in ages. A few months earlier my parents and I took a trip to visit my Grandfather, who we hadn't seen in a couple years. I had kind of the same emotional reaction.

    Negative deep feeling: if the ending of NTTD hadn't been spoiled for me I might feel like other do here. Instead I find it unintentionally funny.
    That said, Felix Leiter's death scene had a bigger impact on me. Personally I had experienced the passing of a few close friends and loved ones that year. Bond losing Felix was the last thing I wanted to see. To this day I won't watch it.

    Great story @ToTheRight It's cool how a shot in a film can connect to an emotional memory.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Positive deep feeling: this may surprise some, but it was those first close ups of Roger Moore as he finds the body of 003 in AVTAK. I was 10 when my folks took me to AVTAK opening weekend, and that close up of Bond put a huge smile on my face. It felt like seeing a favorite relative for the first time in ages. A few months earlier my parents and I took a trip to visit my Grandfather, who we hadn't seen in a couple years. I had kind of the same emotional reaction.

    Negative deep feeling: if the ending of NTTD hadn't been spoiled for me I might feel like other do here. Instead I find it unintentionally funny.
    That said, Felix Leiter's death scene had a bigger impact on me. Personally I had experienced the passing of a few close friends and loved ones that year. Bond losing Felix was the last thing I wanted to see. To this day I won't watch it.

    I love how you a!lways go left field, mate! I think we all viewed dear Roger as a favourite uncle
  • MalloryMallory
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    Positive Feeling The release of Skyfall coincided with a lot of change in my personal life. In the summer of 2012 I graduated from University and moved into the world of work properly, we had the London Olympics with Bond featured, and the upcoming 50th Anniversary, with events such as Bond in Motion and Designing 007. It was a wonderful time to be a Bond fan and to see Skyfall in IMAX on opening night, and to have it absolutely deliver, was amazing. The film will forever be tied to that period of my life.

    Negative Feeling Most have gone with the end of NTTD and I would agree... I hated it then (knowing it was coming) and still think it was a massive mistake. So I will go with something different. And to be honest, I don't have to many negative Bond feelings that immediately spring to mind. Maybe the continued delay of NTTD owing to Covid and other factors. The lack of any Bond movement post-NTTD and now? 007 Legends was a pretty terrible video game, though I didn't like the concept so always had that expectation of it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Mallory wrote: »
    Positive Feeling The release of Skyfall coincided with a lot of change in my personal life. In the summer of 2012 I graduated from University and moved into the world of work properly, we had the London Olympics with Bond featured, and the upcoming 50th Anniversary, with events such as Bond in Motion and Designing 007. It was a wonderful time to be a Bond fan and to see Skyfall in IMAX on opening night, and to have it absolutely deliver, was amazing. The film will forever be tied to that period of my life.

    Yes agreed, Skyfall and the whole year around it was a massive high.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Positive deep feeling: this may surprise some, but it was those first close ups of Roger Moore as he finds the body of 003 in AVTAK. I was 10 when my folks took me to AVTAK opening weekend, and that close up of Bond put a huge smile on my face. It felt like seeing a favorite relative for the first time in ages. A few months earlier my parents and I took a trip to visit my Grandfather, who we hadn't seen in a couple years. I had kind of the same emotional reaction.

    Negative deep feeling: if the ending of NTTD hadn't been spoiled for me I might feel like other do here. Instead I find it unintentionally funny.
    That said, Felix Leiter's death scene had a bigger impact on me. Personally I had experienced the passing of a few close friends and loved ones that year. Bond losing Felix was the last thing I wanted to see. To this day I won't watch it.

    I love how you a!lways go left field, mate! I think we all viewed dear Roger as a favourite uncle

    @ToTheRight goes left field. That's a great choice for the positive deep feeling.
  • redherringredherring Netherlands
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    NTTD ruined We Have All the Time in the World for me. A favorite song beforehand, I didn't associate it so much with Tracy's death, but now it's the song of Bond's eulogy...
  • MalloryMallory
    edited 1:31pm Posts: 2,378
    redherring wrote: »
    NTTD ruined We Have All the Time in the World for me. A favorite song beforehand, I didn't associate it so much with Tracy's death, but now it's the song of Bond's eulogy...

    Spectre and NTTD are a quasi-remake of OHMSS anyway.... but to have it so bluntly revealed in the film with the use of WHATTITW and the OHMSS theme in the soundtrack was in really poor taste. I dont like it. It's a cheap way of trying to shortcut the audience into buying into Bond and Madelene's relationship by trying to invoke memories Bond and Tracey's.... and its purely aimed at fans of the series, as I dont think regular cinema-goers would notice it.

    Had David Arnold scored the film he would have outright rejected the idea and not done it (a similar request was made for DAD).... shame Zimmer and Mazzaro didnt feel the same.
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