007 First Light - IO Interactive - The New James Bond Video Game

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  • edited September 18 Posts: 329
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    The first one to even hint at Kirk again, gets a warning. Three warnings, and you're out. We are not bringing American politics into this forum ever again. We're better than that.

    Thank you 👍 let's steer away @DarthDimi let's speculate about what the villain of the game is about instead.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I'm very curious to see what the driving in this game will be like... was there any driving in Hitman? It looks like it'll be heavy, realistic driving which I'm not as much a fan of, but would make sense for this linear, story-driven looking game (where it's always very clear where you'll be driving). Which leads me to wonder if this game will have any amount of an open-world component? Dreaming about a Bond game that lets you travel the world more-less at your discretion, and uncover a plot as you go.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    It's cool we've got a look at M. I wonder if they'll do something similar for other characters? It's nice that we've got a Ronson and Nash working with Bond, cool easter eggs for fans
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Didn't notice Ronson and Nash! That's cool.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited September 18 Posts: 904
    Just because Ian Fleming is dead, it doesn't mean its open season to do whatever you want with characters he created.

    Ian Fleming's thoughts on the world are pretty clear from his writing and interviews.

    I understand your perspective and I think we’re both passionate fans of Bond, which makes you a friend in my book. We may be too far a part on some issues but I admire your love of the character and stories, and I hope we both get to enjoy Bond in many formats for years and years to come.

    Agreed, my thoughts are simple. That Iconic British characters should be played by ethnic, indigenous Brits, more often than not. I think changing the race of a character changes who they are fundamentally.

    Again, I like Naomie Harris as Moneypenny and Ben Whishaw as Q, but they were cast in a different time, when this sort of racial stunt casting wasn't as plentiful. Now, I'm just tired of it.

    I don't think that is controversial. But I digress.
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    Does Ben Wishaw not count as an indigenous Brit in this instance? 🤔
    Didn't notice Ronson and Nash! That's cool.

    Didn’t notice that either! Pretty cool.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    I'm very curious to see what the driving in this game will be like... was there any driving in Hitman? It looks like it'll be heavy, realistic driving which I'm not as much a fan of, but would make sense for this linear, story-driven looking game (where it's always very clear where you'll be driving). Which leads me to wonder if this game will have any amount of an open-world component? Dreaming about a Bond game that lets you travel the world more-less at your discretion, and uncover a plot as you go.

    Watch the 30 minute playthrough with the car chase, maybe? It's very classic Bond driving imo, where you basically just pin the throttle at max, the villain is just one step ahead, but you're given "route options" like maybe, a construction site you can cut through as a shortcut, or a ramp to go over an obstacle (as was demonstrated).

    It is not a Grand Theft Auto Bond game.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I did watch it, that’s where I got my impression of the driving. Looking forward to it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 18 Posts: 19,100
    Just because Ian Fleming is dead, it doesn't mean its open season to do whatever you want with characters he created.

    Ian Fleming's thoughts on the world are pretty clear from his writing and interviews.

    But as I say, it’s been nearly thirty years since it was established, and very much welcomed, that M’s superficial description can move beyond that of Fleming’s.
    Q isn’t described in the novels at all, why aren’t we more upset at his depiction? It’s just about race and silly culture wars really.
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    It's cool we've got a look at M. I wonder if they'll do something similar for other characters? It's nice that we've got a Ronson and Nash working with Bond, cool easter eggs for fans

    I missed those, where did they appear?

    007HallY wrote: »
    And Major Boothroyd’s been made into Q (a character Fleming didn’t explicitly write about) for the early films specifically. Obviously since TWINE it’s a code name like M’s. Moneypenny I suppose is the same character in different versions… I don’t remember anyone getting hung up about Niomi Harris taking the role for what it’s worth. Honestly, I suspect most know all this but don’t care.

    I mean, even if M were still Sir Miles - similar background/personality - and was played by a non-white actor but in a contemporary story, would most people care? I think they do that in the Dynamite comics if I’m not mistaken. Like, it’s not exactly a case where they’ve race swapped Othello or Black Panther. As I said short of a specific hang up about the one playing this character I don’t see why it’d elicit any strong feeling.

    All good points, and this is usually where these race discussions get mired; people can’t understand that things like blaxploitation exists, and there are stories where a character being black is integral to the story being told, where Bond or M continuing to be white is not integral. I’d concede that it probably was in LALD, but we’ve had that novel, and had that film. I think it’s okay to move on and tell new and interesting stories.
    There are characteristics of these characters that are integral to the stories being told, and there are characteristics that are not. What’s important is the stories, not the amount of pigment in melanin.

    Perfectly put 👍
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited September 19 Posts: 8,903
    You shouldn't change the race or gender of a character that you, yourself didn't create. If you want an Indian Spy Chief, then write about that. Don't decide you're going to change an authors work after 70 years.

    This is incorrect. The character of Miles Messervy has only ever been played by one actor so far*, which is Bernard Lee. Every M that we’ve seen afterwards have been completely original characters with their own unique backgrounds. Even the M featured in NSNA is acknowledged to be a completely new M from who Bond worked for.

    *=obviously debatable about whether Robert Brown’s character is either Messervy or Hargreaves. The films neither confirm or deny, so take it how you like it.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    @mtm Ronson and Nash are mentioned during the car ride, just before they arrive at the gates to the mansion, I think.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    You shouldn't change the race or gender of a character that you, yourself didn't create. If you want an Indian Spy Chief, then write about that. Don't decide you're going to change an authors work after 70 years.
    Felix Leiter has been black for nearly 20 years and Fleming didn’t begin spinning in his grave.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 19 Posts: 19,100
    QBranch wrote: »
    @mtm Ronson and Nash are mentioned during the car ride, just before they arrive at the gates to the mansion, I think.

    Oh cool thanks, I managed to miss that!
    I quite like that Ronson has been established as one of Bond’s more memorable colleagues: maybe it’s because of Bond’s rare display of sympathy for him, or maybe it’s just because he’s got a cool name :D

    Here’s the Q bio:



    I prefer ‘Q Branch’ to ‘Q Labs’, but it doesn’t really matter.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Nightfire or Everything Or Nothing are number 1 Bond game for me because we played it lot with my brother when we were children.
  • Posts: 5,940
    mtm wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    @mtm Ronson and Nash are mentioned during the car ride, just before they arrive at the gates to the mansion, I think.

    Oh cool thanks, I managed to miss that!
    I quite like that Ronson has been established as one of Bond’s more memorable colleagues: maybe it’s because of Bond’s rare display of sympathy for him, or maybe it’s just because he’s got a cool name :D

    Here’s the Q bio:



    I prefer ‘Q Branch’ to ‘Q Labs’, but it doesn’t really matter.

    Early 50s?! Working at Q Lab must be stressful. The guy's hair's completely white.
  • 007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    @mtm Ronson and Nash are mentioned during the car ride, just before they arrive at the gates to the mansion, I think.

    Oh cool thanks, I managed to miss that!
    I quite like that Ronson has been established as one of Bond’s more memorable colleagues: maybe it’s because of Bond’s rare display of sympathy for him, or maybe it’s just because he’s got a cool name :D

    Here’s the Q bio:



    I prefer ‘Q Branch’ to ‘Q Labs’, but it doesn’t really matter.

    Early 50s?! Working at Q Lab must be stressful. The guy's hair's completely white.

    Hey now, some people gray very early (I said for no particular reason)
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 15,369
    mtm wrote: »
    I quite like that Ronson has been established as one of Bond’s more memorable colleagues: maybe it’s because of Bond’s rare display of sympathy for him, or maybe it’s just because he’s got a cool name :D
    It's a cool name and I like to think it's a reference to Bond's lighter from the novels.
    mtm wrote: »
    I prefer ‘Q Branch’ to ‘Q Labs’, but it doesn’t really matter.
    Same - even though a lab can deal with more than chemistry, it doesn't sound as good, does it? 'Q-LAB' is also written inside the wristwatch HUD on screen but it helps that there's a beaker icon below it!
    I'm very curious to see what the driving in this game will be like...
    Was hoping for a bike level with the Triumph, but not sure now. I thought you might use the wristwatch with the bike, but since this 'hack watch' is able to tap into certain objects to distract enemies, it's looking more like the flamethrower exhaust was just a demonstration of the watch's abilities.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 19 Posts: 19,100
    QBranch wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I quite like that Ronson has been established as one of Bond’s more memorable colleagues: maybe it’s because of Bond’s rare display of sympathy for him, or maybe it’s just because he’s got a cool name :D
    It's a cool name and I like to think it's a reference to Bond's lighter from the novels.

    Yeah I think it probably is, or rather maybe they used it because it just sounds like a sort of classy word in the Bond world because of that, if you know what I mean. I kind of wouldn’t mind a spinoff with Ronson and Captain Nash just because they sound cool! :D
  • WhyBondWhyBond USA
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    I am very impressed with what I have seen so far. It's as if Everything or Nothing and BloodStone had a baby. I hope the game does well critically and sells well.
    It's unfortunate to see the Go Woke Go Broke crowd tearing the game down. We need more of these type of games on the modern systems. Hopefully this game can create a resurgence of the spy action genre in gaming that is sorely missing.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    I think you are manifesting a "threat" to the game that either doesn't exist or doesn't yet matter.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I'm very curious to see what the driving in this game will be like... was there any driving in Hitman? It looks like it'll be heavy, realistic driving which I'm not as much a fan of, but would make sense for this linear, story-driven looking game (where it's always very clear where you'll be driving). Which leads me to wonder if this game will have any amount of an open-world component? Dreaming about a Bond game that lets you travel the world more-less at your discretion, and uncover a plot as you go.

    I think we’ll never get a true open-world Bond game. Most open world games are actually set in a relatively small area (big for a game, but small for a whole world) and involve lots of smaller side-quests that you do at your own discretion to build up XP; I don’t see how to make that work for Bond. I guess you could have a mission board at MI:6 HQ where you could pick small random missions to build XP, but they would still have to be set either in one large city, or a few smaller ones. I’m guessing this will be much more in the vein of Uncharted, or Jedi: Fallen Order.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I’m not sure I’d want open world for a Bond game; I prefer fairly linear so you can follow the story and have big action set pieces in a movie fashion: Uncharted feels like the benchmark, although they’ve obviously mixed in some of Hitman’s problem solving with this one which I think is a nice touch and will make you actually feel more like Bond, coming up with inventive solutions.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited September 20 Posts: 14,268
    WhyBond wrote: »
    I am very impressed with what I have seen so far. It's as if Everything or Nothing and BloodStone had a baby. I hope the game does well critically and sells well.
    It's unfortunate to see the Go Woke Go Broke crowd tearing the game down. We need more of these type of games on the modern systems. Hopefully this game can create a resurgence of the spy action genre in gaming that is sorely missing.

    They're an extreme minority, I wouldn't pay them any attention. The reaction has been overwhelmingly positive, and i'm confident that First Light will score highly in reviews.


    I've seen people on YouTube act like they are fans, but flipping out that M is not white, and Bond looking so young, and yet make no mention of the scar. Ignore them.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    WhyBond wrote: »
    I am very impressed with what I have seen so far. It's as if Everything or Nothing and BloodStone had a baby. I hope the game does well critically and sells well.
    It's unfortunate to see the Go Woke Go Broke crowd tearing the game down. We need more of these type of games on the modern systems. Hopefully this game can create a resurgence of the spy action genre in gaming that is sorely missing.

    Don’t confuse “loud” people with “many” people. No matter what you do, attacks will come from both sides. On one side are those convinced that every film is part of a global conspiracy against white, heterosexual males. They glance at a poster and scream “woke!” without understanding the word. On the other side are those who think every film is stalling emancipation. They glance at a poster and shout “racist!” or “sexist!” without knowing how to use those words properly.

    And then there’s everybody else, the vast majority who simply enjoy films, comics, and games without dragging politics into the mix like manure in a stew. Leave the extremes to their masturbatory loyalty games at the far left and far right; they don’t matter. Ignore them. People will always tear good things down; it's what they do. Some folks even destroy a film they haven't seen, as exemplified by some portions of our NTTD discussions...
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 20 Posts: 19,100
    Yeah I’m not in the gaming world, but from what I’ve seen there’s quite a bit of excitement about FL from gamers, is that right? I guess a fair bit of that comes from it apparently being an extension to the Hitman concept, plus being Bond of course.

    I am wondering how much this overlaps with Michael Wilson and Maibaum’s early Bond 15 treatment, with a young Bond coming out of the Navy and given a mentor in the shape of Lennie James’ character. I think something said he’s an ex-00 as well, so I guess he’ll have been the previous 007; perhaps he’ll die and Bond will take on his number in tribute, as also featured in the 1986 film synopsis.
    Or he’ll turn out to be the villain maybe. I think he’s a key character anyway.
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