Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • edited September 4 Posts: 5,875
    talos7 wrote: »
    A nice video...

    Suter absolutely deserves a look and a screentest.

    https://www.tvinsider.com/1212662/lynley-leo-suter-sofia-barclay-video-interview/

    Ah nice, thanks for that, hadn't seen that clip. I could go either way with Suter at the current time based on that and the trailer (it's not quite enough to go from I suppose though). I think he's got the good looks and that sort of debonaire, dapper posh charisma down in this role (that's not incidentally always a quality fully there with every Bond portrayal, and to some extent Craig and Connery subvert it with wryness and a harder edge. Moore and Bronsnan lean into that gentlemanliness more, but again with that tongue in cheek, harder edged element). He's still a bit 'TV actor' for me in his delivery and facial expressions, but that's a quality you could have applied to Moore and Brosnan I guess... But it's tricky imagining what he'd bring to Bond that's new and fresh (and I think they'll be wanting that).

    I think he'd make a competent Bond if picked. I'm not sure if he's a shoe-in for the role based on that, but I can see him getting some attention from it. I do think a second series of this show would impact his chances, and in that sense I'd put him more on the 'unlikely' side at the moment, weird as it sounds (I can plausibly see a scenario due to availability/his association with this show where he doesn't even get a foot in the door to audition). But it depends on how it all pans out - this show could either stop after series one or have little impact on his career/schedule it won't matter. So I could be wrong.

    I guess at the moment I'm still having an easier time seeing him as, say, Bond's posh old school rival or an Alec Travelyan type (ie. a sort of uncanny mirror image of Bond) rather than... well, James Bond. Maybe at best I can see him voicing or using his likeness for a video game Bond, but the living, breathing character is another matter. Does he have the screen presence or charisma to carry a bigger film? Does he have the capability of bringing something else to the role? I don't know one way or the other. It just depends on if he auditions and who else is in the mix.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Can weak actor make a good screentest?
  • edited September 4 Posts: 5,875
    I suppose it would depend on what you mean by a weak actor. Not all Bond actors have necessarily been great actors in a dramatic sense (I'd argue Lazenby and Brosnan had some shortcomings in their acting instincts). We've also had some pretty great actors in the role who've put in amazing performances - Oscar worthy ones in fact - both within and outside of Bond. I guess if a 'weaker' actor (or let's be charitable, a less developed one, because ultimately they have to be able to act to an acceptable degree, which is not insignificant) is charismatic, distinctive, and has that 'something about them' all while embodying those essential qualities of Bond, they could be great in the role. It's trickier the less their acting talents are though. They can't be a bad, but handsome actor - especially not if they're generically handsome and have negative charisma. They won't be held up by a 'great' film in that instance. That's not how it works. Ultimately it's similar when auditioning a very good dramatic actor in the role. They have to be distinctive and have that 'something' even while they're embodying Bond. That idea that they can't just do an impression of Bond, but have to bring their Bond to life.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    dewiparry wrote: »
    You can't just dump Bond on an unknown actor and expect them to have his own version. You'd have to develop it for years before you swoop in.

    As Roger Moore once said (or quoted, no idea): an overnight success is one that’s come from many years in the making.

    Another great quote from one of my heroes. I guess I'll have to make it more obvious.
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    Can weak actor make a good screentest?

    I'd say it depends of the role and what's expected of them. Also, it depends how connected they are to the character. Some people, even though they have limited acting skills and may not even have professional training, yet they connect to a particular role for some reason. But for Bond, I think you'd now need skills, natural charisma and some level of training, especially since it's now such iconic role.
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    Elordi....Jacob Elordi

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    Check out the new Wuthering Heights trailer. Timothy Dalton previously also played Heathcliff and Elordi has a similar byronic presence. Also, the new film is shot by NTTD's Linus Sandgren and it's beautiful



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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Can weak actor make a good screentest?

    I'd say it depends of the role and what's expected of them. Also, it depends how connected they are to the character. Some people, even though they have limited acting skills and may not even have professional training, yet they connect to a particular role for some reason. But for Bond, I think you'd now need skills, natural charisma and some level of training, especially since it's now such iconic role.

    Sometimes an actor can be very good in an entire role but nothing beyond that; not to beat a dead horse, but Adrian Paul was very good as Duncan but beyond that he wasn’t a very good actor.

    Obviously there won’t be screentest; there will be screentests, with the actors be put through a wide range of material.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Check out the new Wuthering Heights trailer. Timothy Dalton previously also played Heathcliff and Elordi has a similar byronic presence. Also, the new film is shot by NTTD's Linus Sandgren and it's beautiful


    Obviously it's only a teaser so hard to tell, but he could maybe convince me a bit more with that one.

    Emerald Fennell trying to be all shocking again though, I didn't really feel convinced by Saltburn.
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    There hasn't been an actor singled out as front runner since development actually began.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I absolutely believe that the production team has a number of actors on their radar; I would love to be a fly on a wall to watch the process.
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    M_Blaise wrote: »
    There hasn't been an actor singled out as front runner since development actually began.

    We wouldn’t know if there has been at the moment.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Someone tried to single out ATJ. Probably his agent.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    There hasn't been an actor singled out as front runner since development actually began.

    We wouldn’t know if there has been at the moment.
    I meant singled out by the press.
    Someone tried to single out ATJ. Probably his agent.
    Long before development began.
  • edited 1:14am Posts: 7,024
    If there is such a thing as being too short, than surely there’s also being too tall. Elordi is simply put, freakishly tall, to the point of being ridiculous next to many other actors. Take a look at these pictures.

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    I mean, he could play Jaws…
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited 3:03am Posts: 8,604
    In the past I’ve brought up the possibility of an actor being too tall.

    I think the Ideal height for a Bond actor is somewhere between 5’10 ( Craig) and 6’2 ( Connery) , maybe 6’3

    Elordi Is 6’5, too tall
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I personally don't think Craig was "the ideal height", I think if most fans were honest they would prefer he was at least 6 foot.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I don’t think it matters. I don’t think Elordi is too tall: I’ve seen him in films and TV and his height isn’t a problem. The new Superman is an inch shorter, no one was worrying he’s too tall to fit on a movie screen.
    I’m less blown away by Elordi from an acting point of view. I mean, he’s a good actor, there’s nothing wrong with him, I just haven’t quite seen him as having ‘it’ yet, but maybe Wuthering Heights will do it.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I absolutely believe that the production team has a number of actors on their radar; I would love to be a fly on a wall to watch the process.

    We already know they have actors on their radar. It's another matter if we don't like them.
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    Radars pick up actors. Operators are ready to deploy.
  • edited 9:01am Posts: 5,875
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    There hasn't been an actor singled out as front runner since development actually began.

    We wouldn’t know if there has been at the moment.
    I meant singled out by the press.

    I think we’re a bit early into the process for that. Worth saying when screentests do get going we’ll still get the rags putting forward names (another round of ATJ rumours anyone?) At some point though we might get a Variety or Deadline article with a few actors supposedly in contention, and at that point it’ll be easier to get a sense of who the choice will be.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    The tabloids will be looking at this site and feeding our own suggestions back at us; a few topical candidates when something new hits big with someone young and British in it; an ambitious agent looking to take advantage of the information drought to raise the profile and asking price of their client.

    Lots of chaff in the air to distract us from the real deal.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    I agree, Elordi might be too tall.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    talos7 wrote: »
    In the past I’ve brought up the possibility of an actor being too tall.

    I think the Ideal height for a Bond actor is somewhere between 5’10 ( Craig) and 6’2 ( Connery) , maybe 6’3

    Elordi Is 6’5, too tall
    I think Craig was almost too short but i dont think Connery was too tall.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    In the past I’ve brought up the possibility of an actor being too tall.

    I think the Ideal height for a Bond actor is somewhere between 5’10 ( Craig) and 6’2 ( Connery) , maybe 6’3

    Elordi Is 6’5, too tall
    I think Craig was almost too short but i dont think Connery was too tall.

    Craig aside, Connery and the actors were all in the ideal zone.
  • edited 12:07pm Posts: 5,875
    The only thing that matters is how the actor comes off onscreen. There's always a trade off with something, especially when it comes to good candidates. Are they going to dismiss a really good potential because he's 5'9? I doubt it.

    Is an actor between 5'10 and 6'2 ideal for Bond? Yes. But honestly, actors lie about their height all the time anyway, and some of the biggest actors of all time - pun intended - were/are below that. It's not something I think they'll get hung up about, but if it impacts the actor's overall presence/screen tests, then it'd be one of many factors.

    I don't think Elordi's too tall incidentally, but obviously he's on an extreme end of this hypothetical.
  • K2WIK2WI Europe
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Gosh that's a quick turnaround. I'm going to bet on that date slipping.

    It's like a week after Shrek 5 and animated Spiderman sequel... it should move. Disney releases a mystery something two weeks later.

    Spider-Verse has been pushed back almost four or five times now, so it wouldn’t shock me if it happened again and I actually expect it to do so. Wouldn’t surprise me either if the mystery something from Disney gets removed from the schedule as well.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 12:26pm Posts: 18,988
    007HallY wrote: »
    The only thing that matters is how the actor comes off onscreen. There's always a trade off with something, especially when it comes to good candidates. Are they going to dismiss a really good potential because he's 5'9? I doubt it.

    Is an actor between 5'10 and 6'2 ideal for Bond? Yes. But honestly, actors lie about their height all the time anyway, and some of the biggest actors of all time - pun intended - were/are below that. It's not something I think they'll get hung up about, but if it impacts the actor's overall presence/screen tests, then it'd be one of many factors.

    I don't think Elordi's too tall incidentally, but obviously he's on an extreme end of this hypothetical.

    Yeah, I think it's a bit silly to demand some sort of physical perfection. If the tattooed, balding, lanky, hairy ex-bodybuilder Scotsman who refused to do the accent was acceptable, then someone a couple of inches either way is not going to be a problem.
    Connery was great because he was a fantastic screen actor and a handsome guy, he wasn't the physical embodiment of James Bond- until of course he was.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Elordi is too Australian
  • Posts: 5,875
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    The only thing that matters is how the actor comes off onscreen. There's always a trade off with something, especially when it comes to good candidates. Are they going to dismiss a really good potential because he's 5'9? I doubt it.

    Is an actor between 5'10 and 6'2 ideal for Bond? Yes. But honestly, actors lie about their height all the time anyway, and some of the biggest actors of all time - pun intended - were/are below that. It's not something I think they'll get hung up about, but if it impacts the actor's overall presence/screen tests, then it'd be one of many factors.

    I don't think Elordi's too tall incidentally, but obviously he's on an extreme end of this hypothetical.

    Yeah, I think it's a bit silly to demand some sort of physical perfection. If the tattooed, balding, lanky, hairy ex-bodybuilder Scotsman who refused to do the accent was acceptable, then someone a couple of inches either way is not going to be a problem.
    Connery was great because he was a fantastic screen actor and a handsome guy, he wasn't the physical embodiment of James Bond- until of course he was.

    Casting's not a science. It would be absurd to start vetting actors based on very particular physical criteria without looking at the whole picture. It's why they find suitable actors based on their previous work, their audition tapes, even just a 'vibe' they get off them during interviews, and then of course proper screen-tests.
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