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Does NO TIME TO DIE have the best ending in the franchise?

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  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,377
    Well into the teen numbers of viewings and still enjoying this film immensely. The ending doesn't bother me in the slightest anymore. I just admire Craig's acting and Zimmer's powerful music when i watch it now.

    I'll never get tired of Craig's badass stairway battle and i love the nonchalant way he shoots Safin.

    I always hark back to the Moonraker novel, when Bond surmises as a double 0 he probably won't live to reach his retirement age of 45.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,311
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    I'll never get tired of Craig's badass stairway battle and i love the nonchalant way he shoots Safin.

    I really like that and I felt the same in the cinema: the Bond villain is just an irrelevance at that point, to be quickly disposed of and barely thought about. There are much more important things to worry about, I thought that they dealt with that just right.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 4,377
    mtm wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    I'll never get tired of Craig's badass stairway battle and i love the nonchalant way he shoots Safin.

    I really like that and I felt the same in the cinema: the Bond villain is just an irrelevance at that point, to be quickly disposed of and barely thought about. There are much more important things to worry about, I thought that they dealt with that just right.

    Yep. I love the way Bond doesn't even look at him when he fires. Ice cold!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    LeonardPine wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    I'll never get tired of Craig's badass stairway battle and i love the nonchalant way he shoots Safin.

    I really like that and I felt the same in the cinema: the Bond villain is just an irrelevance at that point, to be quickly disposed of and barely thought about. There are much more important things to worry about, I thought that they dealt with that just right.

    Yep. I love the way Bond doesn't even look at him when he fires. Ice cold!

    That really is a great moment in the film. I also love Craig's little gun barrel pose on the stairway. The ending doesn't bother me either.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,673
    Seve wrote: »
    SomethingThatAteHim wrote: »
    That’s the risk of shaking up the status quo with these films, isn’t it? You sort of run out of road. With the traditional “Bond gets the girl” the possibilities for the next film are always the limitlessness that comes with any Bond mission. But when you are taking the character on a big multi-movie arc that demands change and progr you run out of road eventually. Killing Bond was the only ending that really made sense for NTTD given how the Craig movies escalated to it.

    Does that mean that you believe that every heroic character who uses violence must eventually die violently?
    He who lives by the sword dies by the sword?

    I certainly agree that Babs-Eon and Craig developed a fatalistic attitude toward Bond, particularly after the success of Skyfall, where they decided on the death of M as a dramatic send off for Dame Judy. Modern audiences seem to love to wallow in melodrama, and what could possibly top that, other than the death of Bond himself?

    All part of the current fashion for constantly building up and then killing off significant characters for surprise twist value, which, in the Bond-verse, began with Mathis, who was introduced and built up in CR before being despatched, for shock effect, in QoS.

    Never happened to Dirty Harry / Rambo / Rocky / John McLane or Martin Riggs, but I guess they never made it to 25 (27) editions... even John Wayne eventually died on screen in 1972 (The Cowboys)

    However, pre Craig, Movie-Bond was never that sort of character and it will remain a subject for debate whether he should be.

    No, it didn't happen to Rocky...BUT...he did LOSE that match to Creed (in the original film). And I believe that made it a far more impactful film.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,692
    TripAces wrote: »
    Seve wrote: »
    SomethingThatAteHim wrote: »
    That’s the risk of shaking up the status quo with these films, isn’t it? You sort of run out of road. With the traditional “Bond gets the girl” the possibilities for the next film are always the limitlessness that comes with any Bond mission. But when you are taking the character on a big multi-movie arc that demands change and progr you run out of road eventually. Killing Bond was the only ending that really made sense for NTTD given how the Craig movies escalated to it.

    Does that mean that you believe that every heroic character who uses violence must eventually die violently?
    He who lives by the sword dies by the sword?

    I certainly agree that Babs-Eon and Craig developed a fatalistic attitude toward Bond, particularly after the success of Skyfall, where they decided on the death of M as a dramatic send off for Dame Judy. Modern audiences seem to love to wallow in melodrama, and what could possibly top that, other than the death of Bond himself?

    All part of the current fashion for constantly building up and then killing off significant characters for surprise twist value, which, in the Bond-verse, began with Mathis, who was introduced and built up in CR before being despatched, for shock effect, in QoS.

    Never happened to Dirty Harry / Rambo / Rocky / John McLane or Martin Riggs, but I guess they never made it to 25 (27) editions... even John Wayne eventually died on screen in 1972 (The Cowboys)

    However, pre Craig, Movie-Bond was never that sort of character and it will remain a subject for debate whether he should be.

    No, it didn't happen to Rocky...BUT...he did LOSE that match to Creed (in the original film). And I believe that made it a far more impactful film.

    The original Die Hard and the original Rambo scripts had their heroes dying. Martin Riggs died in the original draft of Lethal Weapon 2. The reason why notable heroes didn’t get killed off in many cases was producer-driven (sequels equals monnnnnay).

  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
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    It certainly has caused the most disagreement between fan.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited June 24 Posts: 630
    RogueAgent wrote: »
    It certainly has caused the most disagreement between fan.

    Which is why the answer to the question posed by this thread is "No"
    Because NTTD's ending polarises opinions

    If the question was "Does DN have the best ending in the franchise?" there would be far less discussion, beacause that question would not be as controversial. Everyone might not agree that DN's ending was the "best", but very few, if any, would dislike it.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 14,517
    Well the question is by design subjective, so the Yes answer shouldn't be included out it my thinking.

    A more common denominator choice would likely draw more Yes responses, and be just as much opinion and supportable and valid. And I'm overthinking it.

    So YES, NTTD has the best ending because it dared so much and carried it out so successfully with love and respect.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited June 24 Posts: 630
    RichardTheBruce wrote: »
    Well the question is by design subjective, so the Yes answer shouldn't be included out it my thinking.

    A more common denominator choice would likely draw more Yes responses, and be just as much opinion and supportable and valid. And I'm overthinking it.

    So YES, NTTD has the best ending because it dared so much and carried it out so successfully with love and respect.

    After specifying a very narrow definition of what "best ending" means to you, which is fine

    But if I wanted to use the sum of all the subjective data in this thread to make a general conclusion as to whether NTTD had the best ending, when compared to all the other endings, the results would be "mixed" and thus the overall verdict would be "NO".
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