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Lyutsifer Safin Appreciation Thread (SPOILERS)

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  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 709
    peter wrote: »
    Menace: A person or thing that is likely to cause harm; a threat.

    If anything this describes Safin, @AnotherZorinStooge …

    It describes Bond, too, lol
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited June 20 Posts: 9,676
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    OK, @peter, I accept your opinion which (as a rare exception, if I'm not mistaken) does not coincide with mine here. And I myself wouldn't wish to play the antagonist in a George Lazenby or Die Another Day appreciation thread either, and since I can't bring myself to love those, everything else would be self-denial. Therefore I'll stay away from those. But I think a discussion about a fictitious character is a different story, and a common uncritical worship isn't healthy either. Never mind, the critics will find a way out of this one.

    I can see your perspective, but this isn't to worship Safin (he is a villain, after all, 😂), but these appreciation threads are designed to be yes, more or less, conflict free and be positive.

    I don't find it too hard to stay away from Appreciation threads when I'm in conflict with a notion.

    Like I said, there are plenty of free-floating threads to be critical, and I'll be able to find them.

    These ones though, the appreciation ones, are like churches in the Highlander series, or the hotel in the John Wick series: a place to lay down arms and come together for once.

    If one doesn't agree with a particular thread, he or she can easily find another thread with the same topic to go at it.

    Edit:
    AnotherZorinStooge wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Menace: A person or thing that is likely to cause harm; a threat.

    If anything this describes Safin, @AnotherZorinStooge …

    It describes Bond, too, lol

    I don't disagree with that either, @AnotherZorinStooge
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 709
    peter wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    OK, @peter, I accept your opinion which (as a rare exception, if I'm not mistaken) does not coincide with mine here. And I myself wouldn't wish to play the antagonist in a George Lazenby or Die Another Day appreciation thread either, and since I can't bring myself to love those, everything else would be self-denial. Therefore I'll stay away from those. But I think a discussion about a fictitious character is a different story, and a common uncritical worship isn't healthy either. Never mind, the critics will find a way out of this one.

    I can see your perspective, but this isn't to worship Safin (he is a villain, after all, 😂), but these appreciation threads are designed to be yes, more or less, conflict free and be positive.

    I don't find it too hard to stay away from Appreciation threads when I'm in conflict with a notion.

    Like I said, there are plenty of free-floating threads to be critical, and I'll be able to find them.

    These ones though, the appreciation ones, are like churches in the Highlander series, or the hotel in the John Wick series: a place to lay down arms and come together for once.

    If one doesn't agree with a particular thread, he or she can easily find another thread with the same topic to go at it.

    Edit:
    AnotherZorinStooge wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    Menace: A person or thing that is likely to cause harm; a threat.

    If anything this describes Safin, @AnotherZorinStooge …

    It describes Bond, too, lol

    I don't disagree with that either, @AnotherZorinStooge

    Aye, thanks Peter, I should have specified what I meant by 'menace'. For me, it has to be something villainous, or even anti-heroic, as our hero is just and virtuous.

    Safin and Bond both take turns in saving, and using, Swann whilst the Saffster even attempts to take daughter under his wing.

    Good girl, rejecting his tutelage and showing her wisdom but Safin's reaction I like. In another film it would have led to some silly chase but Safin lets the plot breed.

    Honestly, my criticism of Safin isn't much with him as it is with trying desperately to have Craig-era villains Bond's alter-ego, what he could become and such.

    Having that heightened, added degree of menace is crucial but it is lacking in the Craig era, maybe save for one infamous torture scene.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,747
    I didn’t realize it was so difficult to leave an appreciation thread of something one doesn’t appreciate alone and instead discuss their negative perspective about it on the many other threads available. Thanks anyway for trying to bring it back to the intended purpose @peter.
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    Posts: 709
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I didn’t realize it was so difficult to leave an appreciation thread of something one doesn’t appreciate alone and instead discuss their negative perspective about it on the many other threads available.

    It's the internet I blame

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,783
    AnotherZorinStooge wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I didn’t realize it was so difficult to leave an appreciation thread of something one doesn’t appreciate alone and instead discuss their negative perspective about it on the many other threads available.

    It's the internet I blame

    I blame the parents. Which ties nicely in to Safin again.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,676
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    AnotherZorinStooge wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I didn’t realize it was so difficult to leave an appreciation thread of something one doesn’t appreciate alone and instead discuss their negative perspective about it on the many other threads available.

    It's the internet I blame

    I blame the parents. Which ties nicely in to Safin again.

    🤣 so do I…! Well done once again @Dragonpol !! And no problem, @FoxRox 👍🏻!!!
  • AnotherZorinStoogeAnotherZorinStooge Bramhall (Irish)
    edited June 20 Posts: 709
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    AnotherZorinStooge wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I didn’t realize it was so difficult to leave an appreciation thread of something one doesn’t appreciate alone and instead discuss their negative perspective about it on the many other threads available.

    It's the internet I blame

    I blame the parents. Which ties nicely in to Safin again.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    AnotherZorinStooge wrote: »
    FoxRox wrote: »
    I didn’t realize it was so difficult to leave an appreciation thread of something one doesn’t appreciate alone and instead discuss their negative perspective about it on the many other threads available.

    It's the internet I blame

    I blame the parents. Which ties nicely in to Safin again.

    Aye, if there's one thing Bond movies need more of, it's parenting issues!

    Pierce Brosnan may get his comeback on that basis, playing Bond's dad. I remember it being suggested he and Connery would team up. This would have been what TWINE became. It and a terrible idea about Bond saving the peace process and ginger bastard spice.

    Luckily none of it happened and Bond just scrapped Begbie, instead, the mad eejit
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