Would you rather spend time in Venice with Tatiana (FRWL) OR Vesper (CR 06)

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  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited December 2023 Posts: 2,932
    Agree with the Commander - EON to carry on as they are, while Amazon just stump up some cash and then get a share of the profits. That's probably laughably naive, though - the leaked SP emails show just how much input, influence and control Sony and MGM had over the actual script. They weren't just moneymen - would Amazon want a similar level of input?
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    Having been disappointed in the overall universe created for the Craig films, I think fresh blood is need to shake things up. If Amazon has someone who understands Bond well, I would have no problem with some serious input from them.
  • edited December 2023 Posts: 893
    Definitively Eon.

    I agree with @delfloria about the need of fresh blood to shake things up, but, like after Licence To Kill, I think it should come from the director and the screenwriter teams rather than from Eon themselves.

    The only department where I would see Amazon getting more involved would be the marketing one. Bond 26 will need a strong marketing campaign, both to introduce the new Bond actor and make the series attractive to the public after so many years without a movie released. Amazon would definitively bring something new to the table.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    It should actually be as 50-50 as possible. If EON wants another story arc, Amazon will have the money to keep things going. Both sides can plan ahead for the future. Maybe even film two films at once.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I find myself wishing someone would give them a quick shift kick and get things going. Not crazy about Amazon getting involved too heavily, I am a bit surprised that they appear to be okay with EON taking their time.

    I hope they insist on a regular schedule, or have asked EON to submit their projected releases for the coming years.

    So I am on the Amazon involved side, but not in the production per se.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited December 2023 Posts: 4,120
    thedove wrote: »
    I find myself wishing someone would give them a quick shift kick and get things going. Not crazy about Amazon getting involved too heavily, I am a bit surprised that they appear to be okay with EON taking their time.

    I hope they insist on a regular schedule, or have asked EON to submit their projected releases for the coming years.

    So I am on the Amazon involved side, but not in the production per se.

    Same here. I think both sides don’t want to repeat the same mistakes that Disney did with the last 5 Star Wars movies: no long term plan, and too much, too fast. I also think that Amazon might kick certain people off the series, if they are truly in charge. They also want old classic famous characters back. I imagine that EON and Amazon want Blofeld to be a better planned, recurring character.
  • Btw, can someone plese explain who owns what? Are Amazon/MGM and EON/Danjaq equal partners or does the latter have more power when it comes to Bond?
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Btw, can someone plese explain who owns what? Are Amazon/MGM and EON/Danjaq equal partners or does the latter have more power when it comes to Bond?

    IIRC it was 50-50 share, EON owning the Broccoli-part, and the Saltzman-part beeing now owned by Amazon.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited December 2023 Posts: 4,982
    Interesting thoughts on that one.

    For this next one lets pit two movies against each other that bear some similarities. In one an evil mastermind is using a rocket ship that is capturing US and Russian craft. The other an evil mastermind is using an oil tanker that is capturing US, Russian and British craft. We have two different actors playing Bond, one in his fifth and the other in his third. We have the same director and for both films, and a couple of new screenwriters to the series.

    That's right, it's time to have a battle of YOLT and TSWLM.

    YOLT, with it's hollowed out volcano, ninjas, exotic location of Japan. This movie had a "kitchen sink" element as Broccoli and Salzman threw everything at it. The advertising proudly proclaiming "Sean Connery IS James Bond". We have Bond getting married, dying, though not in that order. We have the first appearance of Blofeld and we have a crazy melee battle in the volcano! Finally the appearance of Little Nellie which is a highlight of the film.

    Spy, with it's oil tanker with the ability to hold three nuclear submarines. A Russian spy helps our man figure out who is capturing submarines with ease. Unlike YOLT this one has a few locations. Bond meets an imposing henchman named Jaws. We have a beautiful theme song that proudly proclaims that "Nobody Does it Better". We have an amazing ski jump to take away the breath of the audience. Finally a "wet" Nellie, a car that can become submersible, the Lotus Esprit!

    Would you rather watch YOLT OR TSWLM?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    YOLT wins.

    I love the 60s era.

    Connery.

    That set design.

    Japan.

    And that's not taking anything away from the greatness of TSWLM, nor the enjoyment I get watching Moore carry the film....
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
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    As ever so often, I share @peter's sentiments exactly. Plus I think that TSWLM somehow aged considerably more badly.
  • Spy. Better film, better characters, better Bond performance. Only thing missing was John Barry.
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    YOLT and TSWLM have the same plot but TSWLM does it better. That said my heart still goes to YOLT, just for nostalgia reasons.
  • edited December 2023 Posts: 2,943
    For me, TSWLM is a perfect example of how Bond films can ‘remake’ themselves to positive results. It obviously shares the very broad story elements of YOLT, and yet I’d say Spy feels much more fresh and invigorated. It actually has quite an interesting story at its heart with the Anya/Bond relationship, it features a script which allows Moore to play to his strengths as an actor (I actually think it’s one of the strongest Bond performances of the series), and it’s a film that seems to hit all the right notes. In the past it’s not actually been a Bond film I liked, but after revisiting it over the past few years I’ve really enjoyed it to the point it’s a top 5 Bond movie for me.

    YOLT has always been a Bond movie I find… well, boring. Connery’s performance is boring, Pleasance as Blofeld is boring, the Bond girls are boring, the entire premise of Bond faking his death (for reasons I’ve never fully worked out) is boring. It’s a film with iconic imagery and rather beautiful cinematography and sets, and yet little about it interests me. It just doesn’t have that same invigorated energy that TSWLM has.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited December 2023 Posts: 1,261
    In that case definitley TSWLM. It has its flaws, but it's so much fun and entertainment. And Moore does not look like he was forced to do this. Also my favourite Moore Bond.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    Definitely YOLT. John Barry music over Marvin Hamlisch's. Blofeld over Stromberg. Plus its got ninjas while Tiger Tanaka wins my vote for coolest male ally in the series.

    Not that TSWLM is without its strengths. The underwater Lotus plus the opening Union Jack ski jump. Commander Carter and especially the gorgeous Naomi are 2 of my favorite characters from the Moore era.

    However I do think TSWLM while fun is slightly overrated, especially since it pilfers so much from YOLT which I consider slightly underrated so YOLT for me.

    The film that lived twice:

  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    YOLT by some distance.
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    Its a tricky one, the first half of YOLT is superb, but it drags considerably in the second and picks up for the spectacular finale.
    TSWLM I ave always found quite overrated, but it is entertaining, so its really toss of a coin! In my ratings 'Spy' is hogher so probably it, though neither film is approaching Connery or Moores best!
  • edited December 2023 Posts: 714
    TSWLM is better. The only question is... why couldn't they make that in 1967?
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    YOLT vs. TSWLM? Let me think about that for a moment…….
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    In my most recent ranking, I had TSWLM at #7, while YOLT pulled in at #9, so clearly, I love them both.

    That said, on a nice quite evening over dinner, I’m going to pull out my YOLT DVD almost every time. Over the years, I've concluded that while TSWLM is a better “film”, YOLT is a better viewing experience. The lushness of Barry’s score, seeing the Japanese locates, Blofeld’s reveal and the iconic volcano lair, all make it more ‘re-watchable’ IMO.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    YOLT, every time for me.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    When I think back to both films, what stand out in YOLT is Tanaka, Aki, and a lot that doesn't make sense, like the filming of the car beeing dropped in the bay, or the little nellie duel. SOmehow the story doesn't really come together. And Connery, sort of phoning it in.
    TSWLM reminds me of Jaws at the Pyramids, Bond having to explain he killed Anya's lover, and Bond killing Stromberg through the shooting pipe stromberg wanted to use against Bond.
    To me it comes down to basically a bad performance of COnnery VS a very good one of Roger Moore. Roger Moore wins.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited December 2023 Posts: 3,391
    Neither for me are great, really, but YOLT.
    The only thing I didn't liked in YOLT is Connery phoning it in and the Japanese disguise, the Kissy Suzuki scenes were still bearable to watch, but the pacing of it was a lot better than TSWLM, where the pacing really lost its way too early in the middle act right after the Egyptian scenes, it became somewhat boring in the middle act where I barely remember some of the scenes happened in that duration, despite of me seeing the film a numerous times, and it stayed consistent until the finale, the pacing only went back in the Car Chase, but lost its way again, it's inconsistent.

    The characters in YOLT were a lot better, Aki, Tiger Tanaka, Dikko Henderson, they're great and memorable, Blofeld is okay, but still a lot better than the wooden Stromberg, Kissy Suzuki is okay, but I do liked how she's engaged in the climax fight in the Volcano, at least she did something, unlike Anya who's just there because for the sole reason that she's a Russian gal who's boyfriend got killed and it did never got paid off, and also did nothing helpful as an individual character.

    I don't remember any great or memorable characters in TSWLM especially in the allies department, except Jaws, all of them barely made an impression on me, they all felt like minor characters, Jaws is the only one memorable in there and the only good one.

    Little Nellie is also cool and I liked how we've got to see it fought the enemy gyrocopters in the air, Lotus Esprit is okay, but no thrill really, although memorable.

    And yes, this is John Barry at one of his greatest moments, the only thing TSWLM has going for it are the title track by Carly Simon and the title sequence by Maurice Binder, but nothing else, I'm afraid.

    And I've felt that Bond was in a real, serious danger at some scenes in YOLT, something that I couldn't see in TSWLM because most of the time, it's Bond who's in full control of the situation, no thrill at all, no tension.
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    I love both films. YOLT has a wonderful atmosphere, superb visuals, beautiful score, and a crazy plot. Some feel Connery phones it in, but I still find him charismatic and commanding. TSWLM is, for me, Sir Roger's best Bond and he gives a terrific performance. The locations and production design are brilliant. So one day I'll choose YOLT, and another day I'll choose TSWLM.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Surprisingly, after my Bondathon this year, I'd have to go with TSWLM this time. I still really enjoy YOLT but probably had the "weakest" viewing I've had of it last month in a long, long time.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited December 2023 Posts: 4,982
    I am somewhat surprised by the love shown to YOTL. I think it's a fine film and one that I enjoy watching. Not sure if I would prefer it to Spy. I love Roger's confidence in the role. However YOLT has Tiger who does a wonderful job of invoking memories of other allies.

    I will go with Spy!

    Lets move on to another one that is a bit of two similar films around a similar subject.

    Would you rather watch OHMSS OR CR?

    Lets pair off a couple of films that feature our man falling in love. In one film he marries the lady in question, the other sees him lose the lady in question after a double cross.

    For both films we have the debut of a new actor in the role. George would only stick around for this film, Daniel stayed on for another 4 films. Both were meant to feature harder hit action. But both were a chance for us to see the human and not super human side of Bond.

    We had a first time director for Majesty and a returning director for Royale. Finally we had 2 fairly faithful book adaptations.

    So which one are you streaming or throwing into the Blu Ray player?
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
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    LALD, hands down, any time, and three times in a row if necessary. And after that I'll gladly watch LTK again.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
    edited December 2023 Posts: 2,020
    I will probably give CR two or three more rewatches tops, before discarding it forever in the back of my mind.
    OHMSS, on the other hand, is a movie I will revisit dozens of times, eventually becoming one of my 3 or 4 most watched Bond films.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    LALD, hands down, any time, and three times in a row if necessary. And after that I'll gladly watch LTK again.

    Sorry @JWPepper after all my typing I realized we had done that one before. So I have re-edited to another couple of films.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    CR , hands down; it’s my #1 Bond
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