Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited July 2023 Posts: 2,934
    Ok, so something called the Telegraph India is claiming that Sam Mendes has given an interview to Empire where he says that BB and MGW made him a 'generous offer' to direct Bond 26, but he's turned them down. Can that be right? I've not read the interview, just this short piece that paraphrases the relevant bit, so no more detail than that as of now. Hmm...dunno. I'm not convinced, but if it is true and not some sort of mix up (maybe with a story from a decade ago about him not wanting to direct SP?), I'd have to say it's a bit underwhelming that EON wanted to give Sam a third go at it rather than push forward with some new blood/energy/etc.

    https://www.telegraphindia.com/entertainment/sam-mendes-says-he-will-not-be-returning-as-the-director-for-the-next-james-bond-movie/cid/1952197
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    The news I take of this is that Eon is already shopping for directors… which hints at some kind of progress:
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    So I wonder what their pitch to him was, what concept they have as a way forward.

    And therefore their confidence in Mr. Mendes.

  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited July 2023 Posts: 2,934
    I'm still not convinced that it's not a mix up on the part of the news site - after all, Mendes said he couldn't do SP because of his theatre production of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and now he's apparently saying the same thing here about Bond 26! Can't help thinking that some work experience kid in the Telegraph India office has got his wires crossed, tbh.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Not a red herring
    edited July 2023 Posts: 566
    Venutius wrote: »
    Ok, so something called the Telegraph India is claiming that Sam Mendes has given an interview to Empire where he says that BB and MGW made him a 'generous offer' to direct Bond 26, but he's turned them down. Can that be right? I've not read the interview, just this short piece that paraphrases the relevant bit, so no more detail than that as of now. Hmm...dunno. I'm not convinced, but if it is true and not some sort of mix up (maybe with a story from a decade ago about him not wanting to direct SP?), I'd have to say it's a bit underwhelming that EON wanted to give Sam a third go at it rather than push forward with some new blood/energy/etc.

    https://www.telegraphindia.com/entertainment/sam-mendes-says-he-will-not-be-returning-as-the-director-for-the-next-james-bond-movie/cid/1952197

    "Directing ‘Skyfall’ was one of the best experiences of my professional life,"

    No mention of SP? I can understand directing SP might not have been as great an experience, but it seems strange to refer to one and not the other.

    "...but I have theatre and other commitments, including productions of ‘Charlie and the Chocolate Factory’ and ‘King Lear,’ that need my complete focus over the next year and beyond,"

    Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and King Lear were in 2013 and 2014 respectively and I doubt he's planning on doing both again. Definitely an old quote.

    It also says Mendes' two Bond films were SkyFall (2012) and SkyFall (2015). Clearly, little effort was put into this article.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Have to agree and I had those thoughts.

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    mtm wrote: »
    Weirdly I actually have slight spy exhaustion at the moment. The sheer, overwhelming number of spy shows and films coming out at the moment is kind of bizarre- they say there was a spy craze in the 60s but the one going on now seems to be slightly unnoticed. I watched Mission Impossible today, a bit of the new Jack Ryan show last night, the new Marvel series is a spy show with aliens, there's Slow Horses on Apple (plus that Ghosted thing which I'm obviously never going to watch), Netflix is pumping spy shows and films out, that terrible Citadel on Prime... I almost wonder if Bond should lean more on the adventure aspect or something, rather than any inter-country intrigue in an effort to differentiate.

    Jack Ryan is an excellent series. Citadel was indeed a disappointment. I won't be tuning in next season. I don't do Marvel or DC. It's all so repetitive, which was my problem with Dial of Destiny. A well done and cinematically impressive film that left me curiously uninvolved.

  • Mendes is done with Bond. Nolan has to do Bond. It's in his DNA.
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
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    Apart from a few scenes in Inception, there's nothing I've seen in any Nolan film that would suggest that he would be perfect for a Bond film.
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    Univex wrote: »
    Having watched M:IDRp1 yesterday, I must say, wherever they go with the next Bond, it has to be sexy and stylish. Only Bond can have that sort of appeal. M:I films are wonderful, but the sexiness and the style, and the smoothness, and the exoticism and the slightly bizarre, must remain in Bond films. They make them stand out. I mean, drinking with a scorpion on the back of the hand, and escaping a komodo dragon, and having a flirtatious moment like in the Macao casino, or having a villain who bleeds from an eye, ... these things make Bond, well, Bond.

    And having him sharply dressed is paramount, as well as having some sexuality distilled from the leading ladies. And sex. One must have sex. This Nolanesque, Cruisesque (and I like them both) tendency for frigid, sexless men and victorianesque prudes must go. I welcome Eva Green's cleavage, Andress's bikini, Xenia's over the top sexual paraphilia of death and her killer tighs, and Halle Berry's fig cutting innuendos, ..., over Hayley Atwell's buttoned up blouse and Rebecca Ferguson amicable hugs any day of the week.

    Cancel me for saying this, for all I care, but Bond was created with sex on Fleming's mind, and with that prerogative. Sex, violence and exoticism. Take that away and you're left with Ethan Hunt. And I like Hunt, but he has no layers, no interest as a character besides his devotion to his friends, which is no different from that Fast and Furious awful family franchise. I'll say this again. Make Bond films with no shame for what they are. Thankfully, so far, EON has done so, even with some poor choices along the way.

    So, fingers crossed.

    Bravo pal! 100% agree. =D>
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    Univex wrote: »
    Having watched M:IDRp1 yesterday, I must say, wherever they go with the next Bond, it has to be sexy and stylish. Only Bond can have that sort of appeal. M:I films are wonderful, but the sexiness and the style, and the smoothness, and the exoticism and the slightly bizarre, must remain in Bond films. They make them stand out. I mean, drinking with a scorpion on the back of the hand, and escaping a komodo dragon, and having a flirtatious moment like in the Macao casino, or having a villain who bleeds from an eye, ... these things make Bond, well, Bond.

    And having him sharply dressed is paramount, as well as having some sexuality distilled from the leading ladies. And sex. One must have sex. This Nolanesque, Cruisesque (and I like them both) tendency for frigid, sexless men and victorianesque prudes must go. I welcome Eva Green's cleavage, Andress's bikini, Xenia's over the top sexual paraphilia of death and her killer tighs, and Halle Berry's fig cutting innuendos, ..., over Hayley Atwell's buttoned up blouse and Rebecca Ferguson amicable hugs any day of the week.

    Cancel me for saying this, for all I care, but Bond was created with sex on Fleming's mind, and with that prerogative. Sex, violence and exoticism. Take that away and you're left with Ethan Hunt. And I like Hunt, but he has no layers, no interest as a character besides his devotion to his friends, which is no different from that Fast and Furious awful family franchise. I'll say this again. Make Bond films with no shame for what they are. Thankfully, so far, EON has done so, even with some poor choices along the way.

    So, fingers crossed.

    Bravo pal! 100% agree. =D>

    Thanks old pal ;) I appreciate your appreciation very much, as you know. Cheers
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Benny wrote: »
    Apart from a few scenes in Inception, there's nothing I've seen in any Nolan film that would suggest that he would be perfect for a Bond film.

    Nothing suggested Sam Mendes was viable candidate for directing Bond.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Benny wrote: »
    Apart from a few scenes in Inception, there's nothing I've seen in any Nolan film that would suggest that he would be perfect for a Bond film.

    Nothing suggested Sam Mendes was viable candidate for directing Bond.

    True. I remember being doubtful of Mendes' Bond credentials...even if I knew he was a good director. I only started believing when the teaser trailer came and further believed when the full trailer came out. Also, there were talks then that Mendes was favouring drama over action. Although, looking at Skyfall today, it isn't exactly action-heavy, even if Mendes' directed it superbly. But great Bond film all the same.
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    Benny wrote: »
    Apart from a few scenes in Inception, there's nothing I've seen in any Nolan film that would suggest that he would be perfect for a Bond film.

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    Univex wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Having watched M:IDRp1 yesterday, I must say, wherever they go with the next Bond, it has to be sexy and stylish. Only Bond can have that sort of appeal. M:I films are wonderful, but the sexiness and the style, and the smoothness, and the exoticism and the slightly bizarre, must remain in Bond films. They make them stand out. I mean, drinking with a scorpion on the back of the hand, and escaping a komodo dragon, and having a flirtatious moment like in the Macao casino, or having a villain who bleeds from an eye, ... these things make Bond, well, Bond.

    And having him sharply dressed is paramount, as well as having some sexuality distilled from the leading ladies. And sex. One must have sex. This Nolanesque, Cruisesque (and I like them both) tendency for frigid, sexless men and victorianesque prudes must go. I welcome Eva Green's cleavage, Andress's bikini, Xenia's over the top sexual paraphilia of death and her killer tighs, and Halle Berry's fig cutting innuendos, ..., over Hayley Atwell's buttoned up blouse and Rebecca Ferguson amicable hugs any day of the week.

    Cancel me for saying this, for all I care, but Bond was created with sex on Fleming's mind, and with that prerogative. Sex, violence and exoticism. Take that away and you're left with Ethan Hunt. And I like Hunt, but he has no layers, no interest as a character besides his devotion to his friends, which is no different from that Fast and Furious awful family franchise. I'll say this again. Make Bond films with no shame for what they are. Thankfully, so far, EON has done so, even with some poor choices along the way.

    So, fingers crossed.

    I wanna see you call Nolan a victorianesque prude after Oppenheimer.

    Really? Why? I mean, I love Nolan. But I do think he is a bit of a victorianesque prude, all brain. And I love most of his films just like that. And even though I think he wouldn’t be quite perfect for Bond, I’d like to see a Nolan Bond. I’d be really happy if he was announced as Bond 26 director. But I still stand by what I said about him being a bit frigid obe the sexuality field of things.

    But you left me a bit curious with your comment. What can I expect? A torid scene from Blunt or Pugh? A single sex scene? A single passionate kiss, perhaps?

    There are “prolonged” full frontal nudity and multiple sex scenes.
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    After having seen Dial of Destiny and following up with several reviews, I can't but wonder about the future of Bond. Do today's audiences really have much connection with Bond? Is there a need for continuity of actors playing supporting roles? Is there a need for nostalgia and callbacks? What's important to me as original fan may be entirely different for a movie goer whose first Bond was Brosnan or Craig.

    An interesting take on DOD from an Ebert.com review is the film "is somehow both never boring and never really entertaining." For me it felt bloated, perhaps because it's a long film, and so dependent on CGI that it often seemed like a video game. There's something to be said for lean.

    Much has been written in these threads about what a Bond film is. I wonder if we're really speaking of what a Bond film was. There was a lot in DOD that would have been lost on viewers who may not have seen the earlier films. Killing Bond in NTTD effectively erases the need to make reference to anything during the Craig era.

    Is there a lesson to be learned from DOD? Will Bond 26 ignore the nostalgia of its past?
    Will today's viewers get their own Bond instead of rehash of the Bonds of their parents and grandparents?
  • edited July 2023 Posts: 6,677
    Univex wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Having watched M:IDRp1 yesterday, I must say, wherever they go with the next Bond, it has to be sexy and stylish. Only Bond can have that sort of appeal. M:I films are wonderful, but the sexiness and the style, and the smoothness, and the exoticism and the slightly bizarre, must remain in Bond films. They make them stand out. I mean, drinking with a scorpion on the back of the hand, and escaping a komodo dragon, and having a flirtatious moment like in the Macao casino, or having a villain who bleeds from an eye, ... these things make Bond, well, Bond.

    And having him sharply dressed is paramount, as well as having some sexuality distilled from the leading ladies. And sex. One must have sex. This Nolanesque, Cruisesque (and I like them both) tendency for frigid, sexless men and victorianesque prudes must go. I welcome Eva Green's cleavage, Andress's bikini, Xenia's over the top sexual paraphilia of death and her killer tighs, and Halle Berry's fig cutting innuendos, ..., over Hayley Atwell's buttoned up blouse and Rebecca Ferguson amicable hugs any day of the week.

    Cancel me for saying this, for all I care, but Bond was created with sex on Fleming's mind, and with that prerogative. Sex, violence and exoticism. Take that away and you're left with Ethan Hunt. And I like Hunt, but he has no layers, no interest as a character besides his devotion to his friends, which is no different from that Fast and Furious awful family franchise. I'll say this again. Make Bond films with no shame for what they are. Thankfully, so far, EON has done so, even with some poor choices along the way.

    So, fingers crossed.

    I wanna see you call Nolan a victorianesque prude after Oppenheimer.

    Really? Why? I mean, I love Nolan. But I do think he is a bit of a victorianesque prude, all brain. And I love most of his films just like that. And even though I think he wouldn’t be quite perfect for Bond, I’d like to see a Nolan Bond. I’d be really happy if he was announced as Bond 26 director. But I still stand by what I said about him being a bit frigid obe the sexuality field of things.

    But you left me a bit curious with your comment. What can I expect? A torid scene from Blunt or Pugh? A single sex scene? A single passionate kiss, perhaps?

    There are “prolonged” full frontal nudity and multiple sex scenes.

    Really? I’m shocked. Positively shocked! :)
    But...will it be sexy? ;)

    On another note, just watched another interview with him, posted 4 hours ago, and he briefly mentions the early Bond films...again. I still think he wants to do it.
    ()
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    Univex wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Having watched M:IDRp1 yesterday, I must say, wherever they go with the next Bond, it has to be sexy and stylish. Only Bond can have that sort of appeal. M:I films are wonderful, but the sexiness and the style, and the smoothness, and the exoticism and the slightly bizarre, must remain in Bond films. They make them stand out. I mean, drinking with a scorpion on the back of the hand, and escaping a komodo dragon, and having a flirtatious moment like in the Macao casino, or having a villain who bleeds from an eye, ... these things make Bond, well, Bond.

    And having him sharply dressed is paramount, as well as having some sexuality distilled from the leading ladies. And sex. One must have sex. This Nolanesque, Cruisesque (and I like them both) tendency for frigid, sexless men and victorianesque prudes must go. I welcome Eva Green's cleavage, Andress's bikini, Xenia's over the top sexual paraphilia of death and her killer tighs, and Halle Berry's fig cutting innuendos, ..., over Hayley Atwell's buttoned up blouse and Rebecca Ferguson amicable hugs any day of the week.

    Cancel me for saying this, for all I care, but Bond was created with sex on Fleming's mind, and with that prerogative. Sex, violence and exoticism. Take that away and you're left with Ethan Hunt. And I like Hunt, but he has no layers, no interest as a character besides his devotion to his friends, which is no different from that Fast and Furious awful family franchise. I'll say this again. Make Bond films with no shame for what they are. Thankfully, so far, EON has done so, even with some poor choices along the way.

    So, fingers crossed.

    I wanna see you call Nolan a victorianesque prude after Oppenheimer.

    Really? Why? I mean, I love Nolan. But I do think he is a bit of a victorianesque prude, all brain. And I love most of his films just like that. And even though I think he wouldn’t be quite perfect for Bond, I’d like to see a Nolan Bond. I’d be really happy if he was announced as Bond 26 director. But I still stand by what I said about him being a bit frigid obe the sexuality field of things.

    But you left me a bit curious with your comment. What can I expect? A torid scene from Blunt or Pugh? A single sex scene? A single passionate kiss, perhaps?

    There are “prolonged” full frontal nudity and multiple sex scenes.

    Really? I’m shocked. Positively shocked! :)
    But...will it be sexy? ;)

    On another note, just watched another interview with him, posted 4 hours ago, and he briefly mentions the early Bond films...again. I still think he wants to do it.
    ()

    Great interview.
  • edited July 2023 Posts: 6,677
    He’d get some great actors to join in if he made Bond. Cillian Murphy would’ve been brilliant in the role, but he could play a villain quite easily. Could you imagine Michael Caine in a Bond film? Even if briefly, considering he’s retired. Connery would have had a good old laugh. And maybe Kenneth Branagh as M. And one or two cinematographers of his, who have already worked with EON, could come back. As well as Zimmer.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    Univex wrote: »
    And maybe Kenneth Branagh as M.

    Not a bad idea, provided that he doesn't demand a lot of screen time.
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    Univex wrote: »
    And maybe Kenneth Branagh as M.

    Not a bad idea, provided that he doesn't demand a lot of screen time.

    Indeed. Just the briefing, thank you very much ;)
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Watching the new Mission Impossible last night made me really want a new Bond film 😅 there's something truly special about seeing our hero up on the big screen

    Die Another Day officially wrapped production in 2002 and Daniel was announced as the next Bond in 2005. Bond 25 wrapped in 2019, and we probably won't get a new actor announcement until at least 2026 - that's 7 years!

    however way you want to look at it, EON really could be doing better. If I was a universal exec I would be pulling my hair out. :))

    Yep. No excuse for Eon to be slacking unless they are just not interested in Bond anymore
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Eh… NOW they kinda have an excuse.
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    Eh… NOW they kinda have an excuse.
    the writer strike doesnt stop them from searching for a new Bond and deciding where to take the series
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Writers tend to come up with the ideas though.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Eh… NOW they kinda have an excuse.
    the writer strike doesnt stop them from searching for a new Bond and deciding where to take the series

    If there’s no script, there can be no auditions.

    And now the actors are striking….
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Can someone tell me why it takes time to find a new Bond actor?

    In the past, it's not that much complicated, really.

    The biggest gap that we've had was from 1989 to 1995 and that's because of the legal issues.

    But back then, finding a new Bond actor wasn't that hard: From Connery to Lazenby, Connery to Moore, Moore to Dalton, and Brosnan to Craig (I mean it's now a bit long there, from 2002 - 2006, but it happened since Babs and MGW now took the position).

    I mean why it needs to take so much long?

    Same for the film production, back then, it only took one or two years for a Bond film to make, the production was so very easy, and considering it's manually made (no CGIs and all), but they've managed to finish the film very quickly.

    But why it takes so long now?
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    Waiting for the strikes to end. Waiting for MI:2. Waiting on me ?
  • edited July 2023 Posts: 2,954
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Can someone tell me why it takes time to find a new Bond actor?

    In the past, it's not that much complicated, really.

    The biggest gap that we've had was from 1989 to 1995 and that's because of the legal issues.

    But back then, finding a new Bond actor wasn't that hard: From Connery to Lazenby, Connery to Moore, Moore to Dalton, and Brosnan to Craig (I mean it's now a bit long there, from 2002 - 2006, but it happened since Babs and MGW now took the position).

    I mean why it needs to take so much long?

    Same for the film production, back then, it only took one or two years for a Bond film to make, the production was so very easy, and considering it's manually made (no CGIs and all), but they've managed to finish the film very quickly.

    But why it takes so long now?

    Many reasons. To be entirely fair to MGW and BB, the Craig era had some pretty hefty behind the scenes problems that were beyond their control. They've managed in the past to get films out relatively quickly (the Brosnan era only had one three year gap, but otherwise maintained a pretty solid 2 year cycle throughout. This was even the case with CR and QOS).

    I'm not 100% sure of the circumstances behind the gap between Brosnan and Craig, but it's worth noting that Brosnan actually stepped down in early 2004 and Craig was officially announced in late 2005. It sounds like a longish wait, but accounting for the process of vetting actors, accommodating for schedule, preparation for tests etc. it's really not that long to find a new actor (it even seems like Craig had been offered the role in May 2005, but again I'm not 100%). Before Brosnan's departure it seems like any initial scripts were written with him in mind, which of course would have had to have been completely changed.

    Pre-production and post-productions on these films are longer than they used to be too. CGI (or indeed anything in the visual post production process that is referred to as online editing, and certainly in its modern form) actually means longer post-production periods as there's more to do finalising the film. Think about it - not only do Bond films nowadays need to have big sets built and stunts coordinated during pre-production, but they also have to have an extra amount of time after initial offline edits (which is simply put the process of putting the raw footage together) to do all the things like rotoscoping, special effects, digital colour grading etc that gives us the final product. This is stuff the Bond films didn't have to the same extent before a certain period. Most of the work that is done in this process isn't even just CGI but stuff that most viewers wouldn't notice in a typical film and just comes with making films of this sort nowadays. But it's time consuming.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited July 2023 Posts: 3,392
    007HallY wrote: »
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Can someone tell me why it takes time to find a new Bond actor?

    In the past, it's not that much complicated, really.

    The biggest gap that we've had was from 1989 to 1995 and that's because of the legal issues.

    But back then, finding a new Bond actor wasn't that hard: From Connery to Lazenby, Connery to Moore, Moore to Dalton, and Brosnan to Craig (I mean it's now a bit long there, from 2002 - 2006, but it happened since Babs and MGW now took the position).

    I mean why it needs to take so much long?

    Same for the film production, back then, it only took one or two years for a Bond film to make, the production was so very easy, and considering it's manually made (no CGIs and all), but they've managed to finish the film very quickly.

    But why it takes so long now?
    Pre-production and post-productions on these films are longer than they used to be too. CGI (or indeed anything in the visual post production process that is referred to as online editing, and certainly in its modern form) actually means longer post-production periods as there's more to do finalising the film. Think about it - not only do Bond films nowadays need to have big sets built and stunts coordinated during pre-production, but they also have to have an extra amount of time after initial offline edits (which is simply put the process of putting the raw footage together) to do all the things like rotoscoping, special effects, digital colour grading etc that gives us the final product. This is stuff the Bond films didn't have to the same extent before a certain period. Most of the work that is done in this process isn't even just CGI but stuff that most viewers wouldn't notice in a typical film and just comes with making films of this sort nowadays. But it's time consuming.

    Thank you for the info! 🙂

    So, despite of the manual productions (like editing and set pieces) before, it is a lot more quicker to do than digital productions?

    But why, I mean those bombastic films like YOLT, TSWLM and MR do have bigger set pieces and they're manually made without any computer then, yet they're made so quickly?

    This is getting my mind blowing now.....
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