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No offence DC and I dont like offending anyone but unless you have figures and statistics to back that up I don't buy it. Its speculation. I think it is probably projection. I dont buy that the ones you mentioned are "better classics" then the sixties Bond. Its outrageous.
Incidently, since this thread to argue GFs case and so many people have cited it - I would say I have been vindicated a wee bit.
Ah, I remember you saying you favoured CR over GF because it had "more meat on the bone". It could be argued that CR is a "modern classic" and reaches the same standard quality-wise as 60s Bond.
Call me old school but I think the first four Bond films plus OHMSS are automatic classics due to their adherence to the Fleming novels.
CR in twenty years time could be a classic. But time will tell. It has the potential to become one. In fact the only one I would put with the sixties classics is CR. Not GE or Spy. CR could have been made in the sixties with Connery and Terence Young directing.
Story-wise?? Ok perhaps the early 60s Bond films were better.
If you want to live in your own little bubble, so be it... but you cannot dispute facts. GF, TSWLM, GE and CR are the most widely considered classics amongst the general public. Where did I say they were 'better' classics than TB, YOLT or FRWL ? 8-|
Sorry but have to accept that these 4 outings (GF, TSWLM, GE and CR) are the most widely considered classics outings. Who cares which film is the best, or the 'better classic ?' Simple fact is for the general public, these 4 outings are considered the definitive Bond films. We get it that you don't like Brosnan or GE.... but you have to accept that even if the Brosnan bashers are in the majority on Bond websites like this one, in the real world, they are a very, very small minority.
I acccept that I am in the minority of people that didn't like CR... please do the same concerning your dislike of Brosnan. You aren't the majority.... far from it.
In GF case it is the truth. O:-)
The video is a bit flawed - some films like TMWTGG only had like 2/3 people watching/voting, while other outings had nearly 3 times as many voters.......
There is yet another factor, yes. Strangely enough there was a whole pack of the thick headed gits when GF was watched and the imbeciles gave perfect 10s. And for some films it seemed like everyone was sleeping or not paying any attention. Just look when they are watching TMWTGG. It looked like they weren't even paying attention to it, and coincidentally it got the lowest score and had the least number watching it. Hmmmmm....
Am I missing something? what vid?
Ah, skimmed over it before, thanks.
The redhead chick pissed me off beyond belief. 5 for both Daltons films? they're masterpieces!
And GF getting all 10s? It's good, I love the film, it's in my top 5, but all 10s? imo that's not deserved.
The problem with the pacing in Goldfinger is that the actual plot of how Auric plans to break into Fort Knox and his motives therein doesn't come until extremely late into the movie, and so until then, we're left with Bond in captivity and nothing to excite us. As with Thunderball, I recently reviewed it and found no problems with it now, but for those who still do, I believe it is because of the underwater scenes feeling very dragging and drawn out, especially with SPECTRE setting up the bombs and all.
I feel exactly that way myself. The pacing of the first 4 Connery films were very much the same. The pacing did not pick up until YOLT, dropped off again for OHMSS, and then went back to YOLT levels and higher. Let's be honest with ourselves here. Dr. No was more like a detective movie than a spy thriller and dreadfully slow. FRWL does better, but Bond spends about as much time romancing Tatiana as he does "in jail". What I think people don't consider in venturing their "why GF is boring" theories is that he could have made a break for it the first time he escaped, or after he turned Pussy. I actually see it as him wanting to stick around to find out exactly what Goldfinger and the Chinese were up to and sabotage their plans. He even states this offhandedly when he says on the plane that he would gladly accept Goldfinger's hospitality because there was "so much going on around him". He clearly doesn't want to escape. He was doing his job- spying! And TB's underwater drag, if you want to call GF or the first two slow paced, is definitely as slow as anything else in the first 4. Everyone knows I love all 4 films. But the criticisms of GF can be seen in a different context as I've demonstrated, unless of course one has already made up their mind to the contrary and doesn't want to re-examine their analysis.
And I suddenly re-realized how amazing the film was on almost every level. Peak Connery, peak Barry, best villain, amazing Bond girl, the car, original & excellent henchman, most emotionally impactful sacrificial lambs, slickest PTS, coolest villain death-by-his-own-stupidity... it's still not my favourite Bond movie, but I think it is, objectively speaking, the best one. Proverbial lightning in a bottle.
Connery was slick, the suits were glorious. The music rich and vibrant and sexy. Gert Frobe was one helluva a villain and his plan was so much a part of who his character was: conniving, brilliant, daring, grotesquely big.
GF is a classic that I can watch any time, anywhere…
LOL, so much absolute BS has been heaped onto that bandwagon...
She was fighting him pretty successfully, then oh, wait, she suddenly can't anymore? No reverse grapple? No head butt? No side roll?
She kisses him. She made him work for it, and she's into it. He passed the test.
Realistic? For two people in that world, maybe. I never made love to a career criminal semi-lesbian polyamourous lady before, so I can't say for sure in MY world. ;)
My #1 since 1965!
It's one Bond film that has never let me down. I've certainly never walked away from a viewing of GOLDFINGER feeling depressed or defeated. Many of the elements in this film fans criticize I quite enjoy. I love all the Auric Stud scenes, and Connery locked up sitting on his ass is more entertaining to me than most action heroes performing some amazing stunt.
Classic Bond epic!
I love Goldfinger as a film, I always have since I first saw it when I was young. It’s a great film to really get someone introduced to the series. Similar to the story above, I had shown a very good friend both FRWL and Goldfinger for the first time, and was surprised that he enjoyed both films because he genuinely doesn’t like older films.
That was the point of this thread, to my understanding.
The Kentucky portion may seem pedestrian (which doesn’t mean it’s bad) compared to what came before but that’s only because the first hour is as perfect as a Bond film can be, with one iconic sequence following another.
Best villain/henchman combo by far, unforgettable score, wittiest dialogue and peak Connery - not to mention the movie breezes through due to its excellent pacing and relatively short running time.
It’s pure, unadulterated Bond bliss.