NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - First Reactions vs. Current Reactions

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  • edited October 2021 Posts: 6,677
    I didn't even know we were having that discussion. I was under the impression we were talking about Bond being a womaniser and about the sexiness in the films.

    I have no problem with broader representations, and the inclusion of gay characters. I thought that wasn't even a discussion.

    And about that "wokeness" thing or the feminist agenda, I didn't feel it in the film. Not at all.

    That being said, gone is much of the sexiness oriented for the heterosexual males who got into Bond because of it, amongst other reasons. I thought this was the discussion we were having. The Nolan films, for example, are known to have no sexiness at all.

    I guess I was mistaken, and took part in a discussion I didn't know was getting on.

    My bad. Carry on.
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    For those that have seen NTTD: how many times do you plan on watching it?

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    For those that have seen NTTD: how many times do you plan on watching it?

    I have tickets bought for 2nd and 3rd viewings on October 6th and 7th.

    Two whole days later and I still can't believe I was at a Bond premiere, but even moreso I can't believe I was at THIS Bond premiere.

    For what it's worth, I bought my ticket for the 7th before I even found out I was going to the premiere, and the ticket for the 6th I bought earlier today.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I have two planned screenings. One next Wednesday and then the following Friday.

    I’ve seen each Craig Bond film twice in cinemas. The one exception was QOS, as I saw that three times, because I was so conflicted about that film I thought I had to watch it three times to be sure how I ultimately felt.

    Besides that, DAD was my very first theatrical Bond. I only saw it once in theaters.
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    It's so funny because I think DAD is the ONLY other Bond film I saw in theaters multiple times. I was 7 when that came out and had JUST become a Bond fan, so the spectacle of it was something I wanted to go back and see multiple times (to say nothing of how I had it practically on repeat when it came to VOD and DVD).

    I vividly remember my first viewing of Casino Royale which was, I believe, on opening night, because the gunbarrel and the ending got this giant cheer from my cinema. But I'm almost certain I didn't see it a second time despite loving it, I think because it hadn't really dawned on me (in sixth grade at the time) that I had just seen one of my all-time favourite films, period.

    I didn't see Quantum in the theater at all. For whatever reason, as I entered my teens, I not only had lost some level of enthusiasm for Bond, I wasn't watching movies as much in general for a couple of years. I did eventually see it on Blu-ray in either late 2009 or early 2010.

    Then Skyfall reignited my love of James Bond, but for whatever reason, I also believe I only saw it once, and again I have vivid memories of that night but for whatever reason cannot definitively state whether or not I saw it a second time even though it has been a mainstay for me since it released on Blu-ray.

    SPECTRE I only saw once on Thursday night previews, and hyped it up in the immediate moment as one of the best Bond films, but as soon as I dedicated any real thought to it, that collapsed massively and I not only never went back to theater for it, I never saw it front-to-back a second time until this Monday night in the leadup to NTTD.
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    For those that have seen NTTD: how many times do you plan on watching it?

    I have tickets bought for 2nd and 3rd viewings on October 6th and 7th.

    Two whole days later and I still can't believe I was at a Bond premiere, but even moreso I can't believe I was at THIS Bond premiere.

    For what it's worth, I bought my ticket for the 7th before I even found out I was going to the premiere, and the ticket for the 6th I bought earlier today.

    Cool. My first Bond at the theatre was A View To A Kill. The local theatre had it Rated R, when it was PG-but the owner thought it was violent enough for an R. Anyway, I was 12. And my mom was good enough to take me. After that, I was a regular Bond fan. When Craig took over, it went to another level. CR is my favorite movie of all time. Did you get to see anyone famous at the premiere?
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    Did you get to see anyone famous at the premiere?

    No, but I should specify that I was at the Toronto premiere, which - apparently along with 50 other cities! - ran simultaneously with the RAH premiere. Unsurprisingly, it seems that nearly everyone of consequence was in London on Tuesday. Does that mean there wasn't anyone famous at the Toronto screening? Not necessarily! But I didn't see anyone myself and certainly not anyone attached to the film or Bond in a public way. I do know that Lazenby saw it in LA, though, so maybe like Calvin Dyson on his trip to Iceland I was sitting two rows away from Pierce Brosnan without realizing :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
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    I have two planned screenings. One next Wednesday and then the following Friday.

    I’ve seen each Craig Bond film twice in cinemas. The one exception was QOS, as I saw that three times, because I was so conflicted about that film I thought I had to watch it three times to be sure how I ultimately felt.

    Besides that, DAD was my very first theatrical Bond. I only saw it once in theaters.

    QOS is my all-time second favorite. However, it took me a while to get there with it. Like you, I was conflicted. I loved the action, and Bond was like the Terminator. I wanted him to face off with Me. White at the end...that would have been awesome. Casino R is the most ive ever seen any movie at the cinema: 10 times. I said I’ll never see any movie more unless it becomes my new favorite. I don’t plan on watching NTTD, so I guess the record for CR is safe.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    To clarify, I don’t like QOS, and I saw it three times because I wanted to like it so much and feel positively confident about it. That never happened.
  • Posts: 526
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I didn't even know we were having that discussion. I was under the impression we were talking about Bond being a womaniser and about the sexiness in the films.

    I have no problem with broader representations, and the inclusion of gay characters. I thought that wasn't even a discussion.

    And about that "wokeness" thing or the feminist agenda, I didn't feel it in the film. Not at all.

    That being said, gone is much of the sexiness oriented for the heterosexual males who got into Bond because of it, amongst other reasons. I thought this was the discussion we were having. The Nolan films, for example, are known to have no sexiness at all.

    I guess I was mistaken, and took part in a discussion I didn't know was getting on.

    My bad. Carry on.


    I fell in love with the books and films as a young boy, and Bond will always work best for me when that boyhood's adventure quality shines through. A big part of that, for me, will always be The Bond Girls and the fantasy world that they exist in (secondary to the interplay with his adversaries, of course). I do feel that these latest films aren't made for me, but that's how I've felt about the world fro quite a few years now. I'm about seven years away from retirement, and when I get there I see myself stepping back from most of society (I'm looking to buy a decent amount of property out in the woods of Upstate NY), focusing on my surviving friends, and basically regaling in the music, films and books of my past.
    Sounds like a great plan. Peace and tranquility ...and Bond! Can’t go wrong with that. Do you think any of Craig’s movies are like Risico? I live out in a rural area, very few people around, and we enjoy it. Lots of peace and quiet.
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    I love you 30000 James 😭
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I didn't even know we were having that discussion. I was under the impression we were talking about Bond being a womaniser and about the sexiness in the films.

    I have no problem with broader representations, and the inclusion of gay characters. I thought that wasn't even a discussion.

    And about that "wokeness" thing or the feminist agenda, I didn't feel it in the film. Not at all.

    That being said, gone is much of the sexiness oriented for the heterosexual males who got into Bond because of it, amongst other reasons. I thought this was the discussion we were having. The Nolan films, for example, are known to have no sexiness at all.

    I guess I was mistaken, and took part in a discussion I didn't know was getting on.

    My bad. Carry on.


    I fell in love with the books and films as a young boy, and Bond will always work best for me when that boyhood's adventure quality shines through. A big part of that, for me, will always be The Bond Girls and the fantasy world that they exist in (secondary to the interplay with his adversaries, of course). I do feel that these latest films aren't made for me, but that's how I've felt about the world fro quite a few years now. I'm about seven years away from retirement, and when I get there I see myself stepping back from most of society (I'm looking to buy a decent amount of property out in the woods of Upstate NY), focusing on my surviving friends, and basically regaling in the music, films and books of my past.
    Sounds like a great plan. Peace and tranquility ...and Bond! Can’t go wrong with that. Do you think any of Craig’s movies are like Risico? I live out in a rural area, very few people around, and we enjoy it. Lots of peace and quiet.

    It's so funny that you would ask that question as I thought for ages that if they were ever going to make Risico (and I get that a lot of it was morphed into FYEO, but still), Craig was the actor to do it with.
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
    edited October 2021 Posts: 972
    For those that have seen NTTD: how many times do you plan on watching it?

    After the shocking ending and walking out of the cinema still feeling shocked by it all, at the time I had no intention of seeing it again. No joke, that ending really got to me. But I woke up this morning feeling much better than I did yesterday when I came home, so maybe I'll go see it another couple of times at least.
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    Did you get to see anyone famous at the premiere?

    No, but I should specify that I was at the Toronto premiere, which - apparently along with 50 other cities! - ran simultaneously with the RAH premiere. Unsurprisingly, it seems that nearly everyone of consequence was in London on Tuesday. Does that mean there wasn't anyone famous at the Toronto screening? Not necessarily! But I didn't see anyone myself and certainly not anyone attached to the film or Bond in a public way. I do know that Lazenby saw it in LA, though, so maybe like Calvin Dyson on his trip to Iceland I was sitting two rows away from Pierce Brosnan without realizing :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

    Haha! Cool! Don’t see why the US can’t get the Bond movie East like UK and Canada. Always is a bummer.
  • Posts: 526
    To clarify, I don’t like QOS, and I saw it three times because I wanted to like it so much and feel positively confident about it. That never happened.

    Understand. I think it’s a movie you like or dislike. Not much in between on it. I saw it 9 times. What turned you off most about it? I think, based on what I’ve read, Craig’s Bond in QOS is like Fleming’s Bond quite a bit.
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    Primo. I'm confused here. So in Matera he is working for Blofeld, but later for Safin. Maybe I dozed off, but where/when did he change sides?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It’s just rushed, undercooked, and dour. I just don’t get much enjoyment out of it like with Craig’s other films.
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    Primo. I'm confused here. So in Matera he is working for Blofeld, but later for Safin. Maybe I dozed off, but where/when did he change sides?

    Yup. A plothole right there. A bit of explanation as to how or when he changed sides would've been good. He seemed totally surprised when he saw the Spectre members dying in front of his eyes. Surprised he didn't get killed by the chemical agent too because he is Spectre.
  • Wait, was Q actually gay in the film? I wasn't clear on that. Did he say he was waiting for a "he" for dinner?

    Man, if GE came out today, there would be the traditionalists/sticklers complaining loudly about Moneypenny going out on a date.

    “SHE SHOULD ONLY PINE FOR BOND! THIS IS AN UTTER BETRAYAL OF CUBBY’S LEGACY! DAMN WOKE/FEMINISTS!!!”
    My question was legitimate though! LOL. I think I remember Q uttering "he" but I don't remember well enough.
  • phantomvicesphantomvices Mother Base
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    Wait, was Q actually gay in the film? I wasn't clear on that. Did he say he was waiting for a "he" for dinner?

    Man, if GE came out today, there would be the traditionalists/sticklers complaining loudly about Moneypenny going out on a date.

    “SHE SHOULD ONLY PINE FOR BOND! THIS IS AN UTTER BETRAYAL OF CUBBY’S LEGACY! DAMN WOKE/FEMINISTS!!!”
    My question was legitimate though! LOL. I think I remember Q uttering "he" but I don't remember well enough.

    Yeah, the internet has given a platform for too many of these outrage farmers. People would've lost it at female M calling Bond a misogynist dinosaur if GE was released today tbh.
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
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    Wait, was Q actually gay in the film? I wasn't clear on that. Did he say he was waiting for a "he" for dinner?

    Man, if GE came out today, there would be the traditionalists/sticklers complaining loudly about Moneypenny going out on a date.

    “SHE SHOULD ONLY PINE FOR BOND! THIS IS AN UTTER BETRAYAL OF CUBBY’S LEGACY! DAMN WOKE/FEMINISTS!!!”
    My question was legitimate though! LOL. I think I remember Q uttering "he" but I don't remember well enough.

    Yes Q mentioned "he". It was very clear actually. But I'm not one of those that are against all of this. Its 2021, people need to learn to accept these kind of things.
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    I wonder how much discussion there was about what they did to Bond in the end? Does anyone know who pushed that idea? Did they consider that it might divide the fan base and hurt the box office? Just thinking out loud.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Given it was Craig’s last film, I think they regarded its impact at the box office as an acceptable risk, at least pre-pandemic. Might be as well swing for the fences.
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
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    I wonder how much discussion there was about what they did to Bond in the end? Does anyone know who pushed that idea? Did they consider that it might divide the fan base and hurt the box office? Just thinking out loud.

    Exactly. Why did they even have to go that route? Was it really necessary. I'm just questioning the future of the franchise now. I can't stand another reboot tbh. Do we really have to see how Bond got his license to kill again? Just like how many times Spider-Man got rebooted, it can get pretty tiresome. But I liked the way Marvel handled it from the start when Tom Holland took over the role though. But I don't know, with Bond, another fresh start... Hmmmm... Is that where its headed..
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    Given it was Craig’s last film, I think they regarded its impact at the box office as an acceptable risk, at least pre-pandemic. Might be as well swing for the fences.

    I’d say you’re correct. But you know The Last Jedi had to come up in the conversation. It was a calculated risk for sure. I think word of mouth will hurt their box office. Looks like Rotten Tomatoes is going to end up in the 70s (critics), which isn’t great. RT has a pretty big impact in the states.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    imranbecks wrote: »
    I wonder how much discussion there was about what they did to Bond in the end? Does anyone know who pushed that idea? Did they consider that it might divide the fan base and hurt the box office? Just thinking out loud.

    Exactly. Why did they even have to go that route? Was it really necessary. I'm just questioning the future of the franchise now. I can't stand another reboot tbh. Do we really have to see how Bond got his license to kill again? Just like how many times Spider-Man got rebooted, it can get pretty tiresome. But I liked the way Marvel handled it from the start when Andrew Garfield took over the role though. But I don't know, with Bond, another fresh start... Hmmmm... Is that where its headed..

    I doubt they’ll do another origin story.

    We’ll likely jump mid-career with the new Bond, just like it was done with Ben Affleck’s Batman and Tom Holland’s Spider-Man. It’s pretty simple.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited October 2021 Posts: 8,028
    Given it was Craig’s last film, I think they regarded its impact at the box office as an acceptable risk, at least pre-pandemic. Might be as well swing for the fences.

    I’d say you’re correct. But you know The Last Jedi had to come up in the conversation. It was a calculated risk for sure. I think word of mouth will hurt their box office. Looks like Rotten Tomatoes is going to end up in the 70s (critics), which isn’t great. RT has a pretty big impact in the states.

    THE LAST JEDI was at least worth it. I hope this film is as good as that.

    I can take solace that EON won’t bend over backwards towards outraged fans , and they will NOT give us the Bond equivalent of a RISE OF SKYWALKER thankfully.
  • imranbecks wrote: »
    I wonder how much discussion there was about what they did to Bond in the end? Does anyone know who pushed that idea? Did they consider that it might divide the fan base and hurt the box office? Just thinking out loud.

    Exactly. Why did they even have to go that route? Was it really necessary. I'm just questioning the future of the franchise now. I can't stand another reboot tbh. Do we really have to see how Bond got his license to kill again? Just like how many times Spider-Man got rebooted, it can get pretty tiresome. But I liked the way Marvel handled it from the start when Andrew Garfield took over the role though. But I don't know, with Bond, another fresh start... Hmmmm... Is that where its headed..

    I doubt they’ll do another origin story.

    We’ll likely jump mid-career with the new Bond, just like it was done with Ben Affleck’s Batman and Tom Holland’s Spider-Man. It’s pretty simple.
    Or even Pattinson batman. Not an origin story but early days.
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    imranbecks wrote: »
    I wonder how much discussion there was about what they did to Bond in the end? Does anyone know who pushed that idea? Did they consider that it might divide the fan base and hurt the box office? Just thinking out loud.

    Exactly. Why did they even have to go that route? Was it really necessary. I'm just questioning the future of the franchise now. I can't stand another reboot tbh. Do we really have to see how Bond got his license to kill again? Just like how many times Spider-Man got rebooted, it can get pretty tiresome. But I liked the way Marvel handled it from the start when Andrew Garfield took over the role though. But I don't know, with Bond, another fresh start... Hmmmm... Is that where its headed..
    Hopefully they did it with a business plan in mind, and not just as a creative indulgence for 2 or 3 people. Sometimes audiences accept and or forgive or forget, sometimes they don’t. Just based on the early opinions of this thread, it seems highly divisive. Watch the Rotten Tomatoes audience rating in the next week or so. Will be highly telling.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 2,400
    imranbecks wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Primo. I'm confused here. So in Matera he is working for Blofeld, but later for Safin. Maybe I dozed off, but where/when did he change sides?

    Yup. A plothole right there. A bit of explanation as to how or when he changed sides would've been good. He seemed totally surprised when he saw the Spectre members dying in front of his eyes. Surprised he didn't get killed by the chemical agent too because he is Spectre.

    I could see Primo being a loyal SPECTRE agent during the PTS, but in the 5 year interim becoming a double agent for Safin, who probably enticed him financially (Safin seems similar to Drax in that he has a goal to commit mass murder, but he's also pragmatic and knows that he has to build up wealth to achieve this despite not necessarily caring about money; he tries to sell off the weapon in the climax simply as a means to an end). Taking out SPECTRE with the weapon was M's plan, not Safin's, I believe; the doctor was also a double agent, however, and Safin hated SPECTRE so he probably told the doctor to go ahead while also pointing out that Primo was on their side. Nonetheless, Primo may still have thought they were there to kill Bond, and so was surprised to see the SPECTRE agents succumb instead of Bond (and also probably had a moment of fear, being a SPECTRE double agent lol).
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