'Neither Seen Nor Heard - The Role of Children in the James Bond Films'

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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
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    Part of why men and women enjoy the Bond films is that they're an escape from children and domesticity. You can be a international globetrotter, enjoy sexual freedom, and never have children tying you down. An occasional glimpse of a child is fine, but Bond's world is that of adults who enjoy themselves with the freedom of adults. Letting children--or parents--into the series would chip away at that enjoyment and dilute a very attractive fantasy. To be completely free of family ties might not be desirable in reality, but it's wonderful to take a two hour vacation from them.

    I also think it "temporises" Bond, reminding us that he is a mortal man and like us grows up and grows old.

    A View to a Kill managed that perfectly well without children. ;)

    It was difficult to hide by thus time, given Moore's age. They just ignored it. But I'll always say that it's in FYEO that he seems older: not only because he doesn't look as youthful as he used to be, but because he's depicted as an older man: we're reminded that he's a widower, he refuses Bibi's advances, his relationship with Melina is mostly the one of a mentor, etc.

    Yes, that's all true about the Moore Bond in FYEO. If anything they tried to play down his advanced age in A View to A Kill rather than use it as a plot point or reference it in any way. Moore had also had his facelift before filming began in 1984 in an effort to look younger though that didn't really come off very well.

    It's a bit sad if predictable really:Moore looked younger than his age for his first four Bond movies I'd say, he started looking his age around FYEO. They sort of alleviated this in OP by having him act younger than the previous outing (not as a mentor figure) and having a more mature Bond girl at his side.

    I'd agree with that. Moore certainly looked at his peak in his first four Bond films considering he was 45 when he took over for role in 1972. After that he was showing signs of aging. Even his hairstyle changed to the combed back look in his three 1980s films. This was presumably to cover over a spot where his hair was thinning. He also had more of a jowl visible from FYEO onwards which I suppose was fair enough given his age.

    I guess he was not meant to last that long as Bond. Wasn't Moore supposed to be a transitional Bond, for two or three films, to keep the series going?

    Anyway that's very off topic.
  • DragonpolDragonpol The Crazy World of David Dragonpol
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Revelator wrote: »
    Part of why men and women enjoy the Bond films is that they're an escape from children and domesticity. You can be a international globetrotter, enjoy sexual freedom, and never have children tying you down. An occasional glimpse of a child is fine, but Bond's world is that of adults who enjoy themselves with the freedom of adults. Letting children--or parents--into the series would chip away at that enjoyment and dilute a very attractive fantasy. To be completely free of family ties might not be desirable in reality, but it's wonderful to take a two hour vacation from them.

    I also think it "temporises" Bond, reminding us that he is a mortal man and like us grows up and grows old.

    A View to a Kill managed that perfectly well without children. ;)

    It was difficult to hide by thus time, given Moore's age. They just ignored it. But I'll always say that it's in FYEO that he seems older: not only because he doesn't look as youthful as he used to be, but because he's depicted as an older man: we're reminded that he's a widower, he refuses Bibi's advances, his relationship with Melina is mostly the one of a mentor, etc.

    Yes, that's all true about the Moore Bond in FYEO. If anything they tried to play down his advanced age in A View to A Kill rather than use it as a plot point or reference it in any way. Moore had also had his facelift before filming began in 1984 in an effort to look younger though that didn't really come off very well.

    It's a bit sad if predictable really:Moore looked younger than his age for his first four Bond movies I'd say, he started looking his age around FYEO. They sort of alleviated this in OP by having him act younger than the previous outing (not as a mentor figure) and having a more mature Bond girl at his side.

    I'd agree with that. Moore certainly looked at his peak in his first four Bond films considering he was 45 when he took over for role in 1972. After that he was showing signs of aging. Even his hairstyle changed to the combed back look in his three 1980s films. This was presumably to cover over a spot where his hair was thinning. He also had more of a jowl visible from FYEO onwards which I suppose was fair enough given his age.

    I guess he was not meant to last that long as Bond. Wasn't Moore supposed to be a transitional Bond, for two or three films, to keep the series going?

    Anyway that's very off topic.

    Yes, well his initial contract was for three Bond films I think and then he just negotiated each subsequent film one at a time holding out to get the best monetary deal he could.

    Yes, we'd better return now to the topic at hand.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I'd be ecstatic to look like Moore at that age...he was a very handsome man (although at his peak from LALD-MR). More than any of the other Bonds, he seems like the kind of man that women would quickly fall into bed with...
  • DragonpolDragonpol The Crazy World of David Dragonpol
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    echo wrote: »
    I'd be ecstatic to look like Moore at that age...he was a very handsome man (although at his peak from LALD-MR). More than any of the other Bonds, he seems like the kind of man that women would quickly fall into bed with...

    Of course he was very handsome as Bond and he looked very well indeed for his age throughout his films. The point was just about how he had visibly aged more in his last three Bond films, which is understandable. There's no stopping time. It waits for no man, not even Roger Moore. :)
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    edited April 5 Posts: 30,170
    I'm currently Moore's AVTAK age. I don't feel so suave.
  • Tokoloshe2Tokoloshe2 Northern Ireland
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    Anyone volunteering to compile a list of children in Bond films, to get back on topic?
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    I think showing children sparingly was the right move. One of the flaws of Star Wars after the original trilogy was the heavy presence of children. As a child, I wanted to be a Star Wars character, not a child in the Star Wars universe. Same for the Bondverse, superhero movies, etc. This is not the Famous Five.
  • Tokoloshe2Tokoloshe2 Northern Ireland
    edited April 13 Posts: 967
    OK so here's a start. Let me know what I've missed.

    References and appearances of children in Bond films:

    From Russia With Love

    Bond and Tatiana are given their fake passports as David and Caroline Somerset. From the script:

    BOND: You're accompanying me on a business trip. On the way back to Derbyshire.
    TANIA: To our children?
    BOND: No children.
    TANIA: Not even one little boy?
    BOND: Nyet!

    On Her Majesty's Secret Service

    The voices of children are clearly heard alongside Nina van Pallandt singing "Do You Know How Christmas Trees Are Grown?".

    Bond and Tracy light-heartedly discuss their plans for a family immediately before she is killed. Her final words are "First a boy and then a girl..."

    Diamonds and Forever

    Mrs Whistler is teaching English to a group of children when Wint and Kidd visit. One of the children has the name Joshua.

    There are many children at Circus Circus, including some playing a water balloon game. One boy complains loudly when Tiffany wins because the game is clearly rigged.

    The Man With The Golden Gun

    At Lazar's house in Hong Kong, Bond sees a woman and children eating outside and asks them for Lazar. They do not respond.

    A young boy attempts to sell wooden elephants to tourists and then to Bond. Bond tricks him into revealing how to make his boat go faster, then pushes him overboard.

    Lt Hip's nieces are seen giggling at Bond in the back of his car. They later appear to assist his escape from Hai Fat's karate school by defeating a group of trainee ninjas, only for Lt Hip to inexplicably drive away with the girls and leave Bond behind.

    The Spy Who Loved Me

    Children on the beach observe Bond and Amasova emerging from the sea in the Lotus. (As an aside, the child who points at the car is Jaws actor Richard Kiel's son, also named Richard).

    Octopussy

    Many children are present in the circus scenes throughout; most notably at the bomb-defusing climax on the German airbase.

    The Living Daylights

    When searching the MI6 database of Russian female assassins, Q mentions Natasha Zarki, a child impersonator who uses her apparent innocence to get close to her targets and kill them with exploding teddy bears.

    Whilst chasing Necros through the Vienna fairground, Bond spots suspicious balloons, leaps over a hedge and unintentionally draws his gun on a mother and her son. They reacted with shock and he quickly holsters the weapon.

    Licence To Kill

    Choirboys and other children are seen in the crowd at Felix and Della's wedding.

    Casino Royale

    A small child in the Lord's Resistance Army is playing the pinball machine and briefly interacts with Obanno.

    Children playfully chase Solange as she rides her white horse in the beach in Nassau; a boy smiles joyfully as she rides away.

    Quantum of Solace

    Children are amongst those seen struggling to obtain water in the Bolivian desert as the Tiera Project has created dams which limit supply.

    Spectre

    Dr Madeleine Swann tells Bond that a men, one of whom is later revealed to be Franz Oberhauser, visited her father's home when she was a young girl.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Great list! We also have photos of children in CR, with Dryden's daughter in the framed family portrait being knocked off the desk, and photos of young Madeleine all throughout SP. In White's wallet/Blofeld's lair guest room, and hidden room in L'Americain are many photos of her - the photo of the toddler in striped clothing is also a young Lea Seadoux.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Young Madeleine in the film, and childhood photos of Lea.

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  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
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    Can we count SF and SP as having images of a young James Bond and (in SP) Blofeld?
  • Tokoloshe2Tokoloshe2 Northern Ireland
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    I was mainly just listing children who appear live in films, but if you want to expand to every child reference then we could do that. I'll add further suggestions from others into my list shortly.
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    Tokoloshe2 wrote: »
    OK so here's a start. Let me know what I've missed.

    References and appearances of children in Bond films:

    From Russia With Love

    Bond and Tatiana are given their fake passports as David and Caroline Somerset. From the script:

    BOND: You're accompanying me on a business trip. On the way back to Derbyshire.
    TANIA: To our children?
    BOND: No children.
    TANIA: Not even one little boy?
    BOND: Nyet!

    On Her Majesty's Secret Service

    The voices of children are clearly heard alongside Nina van Pallandt singing "Do You Know How Christmas Trees Are Grown?".

    Bond and Tracy light-heartedly discuss their plans for a family immediately before she is killed. Her final words are "First a boy and then a girl..."

    Diamonds and Forever

    Mrs Whistler is teaching English to a group of children when Wint and Kidd visit. One of the children has the name Joshua.

    There are many children at Circus Circus, including some playing a water balloon game. One boy complains loudly when Tiffany wins because the game is clearly rigged.

    The Man With The Golden Gun

    At Lazar's house in Hong Kong, Bond sees a woman and children eating outside and asks them for Lazar. They do not respond.

    A young boy attempts to sell wooden elephants to tourists and then to Bond. Bond tricks him into revealing how to make his boat go faster, then pushes him overboard.

    Lt Hip's nieces are seen giggling at Bond in the back of his car. They later appear to assist his escape from Hai Fat's karate school by defeating a group of trainee ninjas, only for Lt Hip to inexplicably drive away with the girls and leave Bond behind.

    The Spy Who Loved Me

    Children on the beach observe Bond and Amasova emerging from the sea in the Lotus. (As an aside, the child who points at the car is Jaws actor Richard Kiel's son, also named Richard).

    Octopussy

    Many children are present in the circus scenes throughout; most notably at the bomb-defusing climax on the German airbase.

    The Living Daylights

    When searching the MI6 database of Russian female assassins, Q mentions Natasha Zarki, a child impersonator who uses her apparent innocence to get close to her targets and kill them with exploding teddy bears.

    Whilst chasing Necros through the Vienna fairground, Bond spots suspicious balloons, leaps over a hedge and unintentionally draws his gun on a mother and her son. They reacted with shock and he quickly holsters the weapon.

    Licence To Kill

    Choirboys and other children are seen in the crowd at Felix and Della's wedding.

    Casino Royale

    A small child in the Lord's Resistance Army is playing the pinball machine and briefly interacts with Obanno.

    Children playfully chase Solange as she rides her white horse in the beach in Nassau; a boy smiles joyfully as she rides away.

    Quantum of Solace

    Children are amongst those seen struggling to obtain water in the Bolivian desert as the Tiera Project has created dams which limit supply.

    Spectre

    Dr Madeleine Swann tells Bond that a men, one of whom is later revealed to be Franz Oberhauser, visited her father's home when she was a young girl.

    Rarely seen or heard, rarely used, but when they are, they are used for best effect. We'll except for DAF.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited April 13 Posts: 3,670
    I have made one from NTTD till CR but including refer to background story of Daniel Craig era where ''partly Dutch'' child is inportent element.

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    Warning: Include creative notes. ;)

    Child
    The Directer: Indirect link with Child
    Event: The moment the Child and Directer are a part from.

    NTTD:

    One qoute from Bond (
    History.
    isn't kind... )

    ''Kind'' mean ''Child'' in Dutch. Of course as there mean in the trailer ''Kind'' is Aardig/vriendelijk (English: Nice) in Dutch.

    In VS Billy stil be a child till she is 21.

    Backgroundstory Daniel Craig era in NTTD:

    Jamaica (Spectre:
    I am the author of all of your pain
    . 2x)
    At Mi6 (QOS: I Never Left. 2x)
    There be a couple in lyrics of the song

    The Kind qoute Refer to element 2 (The Directer) and two qoute's (one of them:
    Nothing left to save
    ) to element 3 (Event).

    Spectre:
    Madeline as child on Mr White pictures on the wall at 'L American in the hidden room.
    Madeline as child on picture from Mr White wallet (Bond found in Mr White Jacket in the house where found him)
    Mr White talks about children and his Madeline
    Young Bond on picture
    The silhout of a girl at the end in videoclip of Writings on the wall

    Childish response:

    It tells the time.
    Bond steals the car from 009 because it was his promised first
    Cuckoo

    Backgroundstory Daniel Craig era:
    The Spectre ring (QOS: Quantum ear thing / I Never Left / NTTD: Mi6 spoiler)
    'L American and Hidden room
    The silhout of a girl at the end in videoclip of Writings on the wall
    The ghost house on background at Bond home
    Bond found Mr White in a hidden room
    Silence at meeting (QOS: Silence at Slate fight)
    ''I am the author of all of your pain'' (CR: You Know My Name)
    The death are a life
    James Bond name on a wall (who name link them all) (CR: You Know My Name)

    Lyrics of song:

    Lyric: I've spent a lifetime runnin'
    Lyric: As the stars begin to gather
    And the light begins to fade
    Lyric: With you i feeling something

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    There are various themes hint to the Child or indirect link with other two. House (Home), Hidden (Hide) and Silence.

    ''Child'' mixed up with ''The Directer'' (second element) be mixed up in Spectre. Link with SF: Contuned of the house you can see in the maintitle and SF house at the end (House who playing inportent part for Bond as child).

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    The ghost house on background at Bond home

    Falling Mi6 (Bond Home country) in Spectre i think it is used as symbol (to let Adele lyrics from her songs comes to life), like Could Blood line (Refer to The Directer) words from You Know My Name (Refer to child and The Directer) in Skyfall titles.

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    The above Ghost House not only something do with a house, but you can link with another theme linked.:

    CR Hulk Smash trow paper at parkour chase (Behind paper) and Mr White looking to Vesper and Bond (Looking behind a wall), Done scene from Skyfall (Hidden behind glass), Slate fight in QOS (Hidden behind doors) and L'American & Bond found Mr White (Hiddenroom) in Spectre.

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    Another theme: Silence. Sometimes this go with a lot of noice.



    Slate fight (Silence) you can link with earlier tower scene (Are ring a bell) in the movie, Think About Your Sins and done scene (Silence) in Skyfall and silence at the meeting in Spectre. It refer to ''day'' (As in Day and month). In NTTD you can spot a number on something in Jamacai in mirror style (In trailer only seen from the left side: The number as whole is refer to a year (Event). If only take last 2 numbers then it refer to same day/month but only for The Netherlands.

    Bond meet mistake at meeting with speaking with guard whyle he only should show the ring because: Silence desired. For me inspiration why sugest ''deaf'' Bond girl in Bond 25 (played by Sarah Gadon)

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    I sugest ''Bird with a wings down'' as title (for Bond 25/Bond 26) years a go because of Vesper, link with Fleming and the ''child''. It have two meanings and moost inportent one is soul who is stil here. Simpley said ''ghost/spirit of a child/person'' haven't found peace yet (Bond stil think about Vesper). Camile remember him this. Link with Fleming (Second meaning) be is that ''weak'' woman for his goals/falling for his charms.



    Suport footage from Chamber of Secrets:



    Property Of Lady is/was also one of my favorite titles.

    More Suport footage from other movies about same subject/child.







    Coming up: Quantum Of Solace..

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Digitalia
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    Haha, looking forward to it already .
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
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    Nice beginning framework @Tokoloshe2 !
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    Just one thing : Camille was a child when Medrano raped and killed her mother and elder sister and left her to burn with her house.

    Now, there was one time when Bond interacted with a child, and was so out of his depth he was forced to call for outside help :

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    Too bad the series was cancelled with issue 2.

    https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/comics/asa.php3?s=comics&id=0879

    And of course, there's Bibi.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Not to mention James Bond Jr. (His nephew!)

    Whoops. And now I've mentioned it.

    Episode 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVkNZ7mvcNc&list=PLmsYAPce1a9W6CzEnHQVuARj-65BTORRZ

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  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited April 21 Posts: 3,670
    Quantum Of Solace:

    The children in the desert

    Backgroundstory Daniel Craig era:
    Hidden place under Horse scene
    Airplane fight hidden place Bond and Camile jumps in. (With my first view i going down memory! lane to Tomorrow Never Dies.)
    Clock Tower bell (See earlier comment about day/month)
    Fight with slade and no music (See earlier comment )
    ''I Never Left''.
    Tanner at phone with M whyle she is just a couple of blocks a way from him (Looking trow glass)

    Q ear thing (Q ear thing = Quantum Symbol. Spectre's symbol is (a ring with) a Octopuss . Blofeld symbol is white cat. CR: Vesper having her own Chain. MGM having a lion as symbol. Symbol of the directer you can find in Skyfall in the Casino and there is reasen why there is missing location card in Turkey.

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    If you whant you can say ''dog'' is Dench M symbol and with her death and her return in Spectre (Video message) and NTTD (Painting) there is link with the child.

    Lyric: girl with her finger on the world. In the maintitle you can see a lot of woman (dancing around a globe). Also Camile rising from the sand (See earlier comment about ghosts).

    End credits:
    Type machiene
    sound. Link with NTTD/Spectre: See earlier spoiler notes there.
    For some people cinema was only option to take note of this, then i thinking that Bond 23 going to have Fleming title (Kiss Kiss Bang Bang). Fleming wrote old fashioned. See earlier comment about missing location card.

    Rewatch end credits and then take a look spoiler of you was right.



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    Mabey this can help you.Not only for this, but also mabey for some others scenes of the movie. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_(theatre) or overall background story.

    Judi Dench M death predection moments: In the car in SF is one moment you must do same (Are ring a bell ?). Some people mabey remember trick figher sound in maintitle of QOS when Judi Dench name pop up whyle Camile rising , other way around you see her death coming in QOS with missing bullet and empty chair when Bond returns, Judi Dench name over graveyard in SF maintitles. Casino Royale doing both: Whyle Dench name over something ele's in CR maintitle (That you only can see in cinema/R1 or on BD because with Pall version it going a litle bit second earlier.) you get lyric (Next in line).

    More Lyrics: Another hint to Judi Dench M death perheps, but mabey also death of Fields and Mathis (And another link to all three elements: The Child, The directer and event.)

    Another ringer with the slick trigger finger For Her Majesty.
    Another bill from a killer turned a thriller To a tragedy.

    Another tricky little gun giving solace to the one
    That'll never see the sun shine (Child who don't comeback but good for her, The directer too)

    Another dirty money heaven sent honey Turning on a dime.


    Shirley Bassey - No Good About Goodbye.

    Childish response:
    Mathis get a burn notice and his girl friend asking for him, whyle he is talking with Bond.
    Bond with two guys in the elevator with goal to bring him back home (to london).
    Camile: Get In.
    Fields let Elvis fals from the stairs
    Bond, Fields at party lissen to Greene his speach.

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    Child Camile's walks to the train station (Link: NTTD:
    Madeline take train..)
    is ''Child'' mixed up with ''The Event'' (element 3) . Train is a symbol of death. Or name it the symbol of the unknown adventure that wil follow (Like a child who left scool and teacher don't know your journey) We stil don't know where Camile is. Link with Spectre: Bond and Madeline takes train and end in the desert. Stil a bit strange that waiting and know there wil be car to pick them up.

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    Skyfall introducing two new themes help by Dench M tells the truth. I named it: ''The neigbours'' and ''The Believers''. It s like Italy - Mexico, Turkey-Marocco-/Mexico-Italy-Austria. England and Scotland. Stil you can found The neigbours theme in CR and QOS too, but CR two and one is difrent set up then first one in same movie. (Link with Mexico in Spectre.) The Netherlands who is hinted a couple of times (Earlier examples or hotel room 112 in QOS) or Germany (Devil above Berlin in maintitle of Spectre / Hans Zimmer doing score of NTTD.) For NTTD i think you link Cuba with Mexico.

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    Next up: Skyfall

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    3. THE CHILD TURN DIRECTER

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    And of course Casino Royale...

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    Fantastic work again.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited April 21 Posts: 3,670
    Skyfall (1/3)



    Ladies and Gentleman MGM presents...



    Bond, Q, Moneypenny, Tanner and Silva

    in

    On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    The Good, The Bad, The Ugly and The Wittness
    Property Of A Lady

    Old Dog New Tricks

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    and Judi Dench & Ralph Fienes as M



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    Enjoy the show. That's what Skyfall be: Show Artist.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited April 23 Posts: 3,670
    Skyfall (2/3)

    Copy cat''ogorie'' was orginal name i give Old Dog New Tricks. Aston Martin D5 destroyd in the movie easly replaced by new one. Another theme it like Skyfall claims/introducing. This is also happend with Child, The Directer and The Event. Later in this part you can read more about The Neigbours, this can help you.

    In Casino Royale you get museum statue's (Old) who get comes to life (New Tricks) version in Skyfall (Not only reference to Dr No but also link with people gamble at table in CR). And in QOS you have rainbow in maintitle you can later comes to life in desert in Skyfall. Those things are one of my favorite Art things who i have discus before, whyle iam not big fan of purple road.

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    I think Dominic Greene is copy cat of The Directer (QOS party, Quantum meeting) and Lechiefe too and you have Medrano. Also in QOS you can find somebody's ''child'' (also link with The Directer)

    Background story:

    Young ''Childs' hand brings Bond down in the maintitle.

    Lyrics song (There is one more who with the link to the child who i not include.):

    You may have my number, you can take my name But you'll never have my heart
    (Link to CR: You Know My Name. Number refer to child age, you have some information about the child and refer to something ele's (Horror.). Last line to fact you know her, but never meet the child.)

    Hear my heart burst again (Link CR: The Heart atack scene. / Link with Ian Fleming: Fleming died after his second heart atack.)
    For this is the end
    I've drowned and dreamt this moment
    So overdue, I owe them
    Swept away, I'm stolen

    Hidden Behind symbol (Redline see earlier parts):

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    Moonraker style of Fight (Hidden behind Breaking glass)

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    I vergot to credit earlier Behind The Mask (Spectre). Link with CR statue's and The Animal inside the Casino.

    Symbols: See earlier part (Ear thing of Quantum, Ring of Spectre..)

    In the maintitle (in mirror style). Link with QOS i never left. Link in Skyfall from Q (not the old vs young comment.) in museum and in NTTD you can see it twice at Mi6 (see first part.).


    It is possible you thinking where are ''actualy'' children notes under this movie. Do you know story of Der Rattenfänger von Hameln (English: Rat-Catcher of Hamelin / Dutch: Ratten Vanger van Hamelen) This ''Child'' story from German storyteller. This ''rat'' symbol (or name it metaphor) is mix fiction mixed with none-fiction. Simpley there are no children (or mabey a view if so). Ordenary gone ''with spin of the wheel'' (Lyric: CR) / Swept away, I'm stolen (Lyric Adele)

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    Something to do with The Train - Symbol of death?? (See earlier comment). The PTS in Turkey include train scene and we know how it end. Later in the movie there is another Swept away, I'm stolen moment with Bond, M and Tanner. (Link with QOS Party, Quantum meeting. Spectre: Spectre Meeting).



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    There is another symbol of death in the movie with a link to CR. In both movies it be Bond and the Bondgirl. It work same as Judi Dench M death (Think: another way to die) and it very horror (and hinted by Lyric from Adele.). Judi Dench M doing alternate version in QOS (another hint discoverd of her future death). Also link with a comment from Felix in QOS because mistake people who don't speak 100 % English can make often ''fast''. Felix refer to The Directer, whyle the scene's to event.

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    The Neigbours and The Believers. Here are two other movies playing in Instanbul in Turkey to understand those concepts of The Neigbours theme better. Skyfall is done by Car (first part) / bike (in second part). Think: A View To A Kill.


    Taken 2 (Same year as Skyfall by feet, Car/Taxi)


    The International (2009/ By feet)

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    Istanboel (?) - Amsterdam -/ Mexico City - Rome - Berlin- New York (?) and (of course) the mean dealer. Then there is Turkey/China. The Netherlands - America (VS/USA)


    First i predect wrong that Bond 23 go to Turkey (It was to soon/or i was partly blind to see connection (in QOS maintitle) earlier. So i said Egypt.), but correctly predect that Skyfall go to China and middle east country. Like i was first who expect Dench M death with QOS first and then CR too.

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    Chinees wall in maintitle of QOS was easy one and some wishdom that China is big country. Helpt by fact asian actres returns as another chacter (Old Dog...) at table with Lechiefe in CR. In Spectre Mr White aka The Wolf (The Man With The Golden Tongue) repeat his line. Atleast that was one of two things i think it mean, because it refer more to The Event (element 3).

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    Representation in Spectre maintitles of: If Vesper haven't kild her self, then we have you too. Moost fans also know that The Property of A Lady (By now you should know that that be work title of whole Daniel Craig era.) is part of the Octopussy novel (together with The Living Daylights).

    Inside the Casino: The Animal. Link with Statues in CR (Using same symbol). The Animal is 1/3 (one thirth) Chinees. Later in movie you get Mexico - Italy sitation or it is as easy as The Netherlands - Belgium or Belgium - Germany. It is when Silva escape from the court in London (Link with with a scene in Parkour Chase in CR). You won a Easter Egg: Your Golden ticket for solution of other 1/3. The anser is doubtfull but can refer to child if done right, as in you need this 1/3 too for 1/3 of something ele's (3th gender of Child ). Iam sjure Directer and composer of NTTD being so friendley to help.

    In L'American (Spectre) you can find connection with that country in SF (and link with the child: Her symbol is one. The other one is part of the The Believers theme.).

    Hair theme:

    I always joke a bit that Clair Dowar mabey be Madeline her mom because of her style.

    This isn't strange with in mind with Judi Dench M as Mother, Mr White as Father and Felix/CIA & Blofeld as Brother. I think John Logan extented the subject as one of writers of Skyfall and Spectre and is fan of this kind of things (The Aviator and possible uncredit on The Departed)

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    In some other moments it look like she is some trance (Almoost cry). With Mr White comment in spectre talking about that Madeline mom left a long go on very agresion way and then we have ''people everywhere'' (Clair Dowar turn coverment traiter because Spectre/Quantum know where Madeline was ??.). We don't know much about Madeline and her mom. Only Madeline and her father (Another link with child). Or is she just working for coverment under a new name (to hide). Is there possible option she was afraid from Mr White and her own child.

    RIP Helen McCrory
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited April 21 Posts: 3,670
    Skyfall (3/3)

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    Bond: Home Coming

    M is looking how her Mi6 is burning. (That was a big suprise in Spectre second trailer ''trailer after title anouchment trailer'' to see it was not fixed yet)
    M, Bond and Kinkade being Home Alone. (Home Alone movie directed by Christopher Columbus American directer of first two Harry Potter movies not)
    Bond breaks in M house again (link with CR)
    Bond see his ''Child'' hood house burn.

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    Welcome to Holland. Back of Stedelijk Museum in Amsterdam.

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    (Link with dog fight in QOS. Big hint to The Event, because the house look like on something ele's too but in first place It refer to that symbol of the Child.).

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    See earlier comment about Ghost House.

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    M in her home / hotel in Casino Royale

    Suport of home (Event) theme:


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    Room 112 (Dutch Element)


    For England James (Spectre)

    Back to the Clock Tower scene in in QOS (link with NTTD) who is symbol to day/month linked with the Child (Link in Spectre: James Bond his name on wall and who link them all: Child.). 112 is Dutch Alarm number / 911 is American Alarm number. Couple of times in QOS, Skyfall, Spectre and NTTD you get Alarm (Warning sign). You be warnt that Judi Dench M going to die, Mr White be kild.


    Skyfall and Spectre looks by times inspyred by 24.

    Next: Casino Royale

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    Barbara Broccoli

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    Thanks for that, @M_Balje. Made a lot of sense.
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  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    Casino Royale:



    Barbara Broccoli

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    Now you See Me: Property Of Lady.

    Barbara (Child of a producer we almoost vergot) always get what she whant. The rights of Casino Royale.



    Childish behaviour:

    Mr White look behind a wall to Bond and Vesper.
    Mr White saved Bond (Parent to the rescue)
    Bond doing another round with Aston Martin DB 5 (Goldeneye reference: Boys with Toys)
    Your Mathis is my Mathis (Like kid from scool who said somebody is his friend and not yours. Link with The Directer: You think he is your friend and you can trust him. But that is another way to die.)
    Mathis take a eye on Bond whyle some adults playing a game.

    Children in the movie:

    Dryden Daughter on picture with second child (or his wife). Single parent, mother is not in the picture like as with Madeliene & Mr White. The Child also only having her father. Other example: When ''Famale / Mother'' M (It is not new we see Judi Dench as Bond mother and Bond talking with Camile that she ''M'' thinks she ''M'' is her mother in QOS) died in Skyfall what left is new M (Male M / Father).)

    The running kid after the maintitle
    The young ''kids'' soldiers.
    The kid and the horse on the beach (Solange on The Beach)



    Backgroundstory Daniel Craig era:

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    Hulk smash trow paper at parkour Chase (Hidden behind paper. SEE QOS.)

    Man hidden in the toilet (Hidden behind door. SEE QOS.)
    Lyric: You Know My Name (Child, The Directer and The Event)
    Hidden behind the eye henchman (The guy Vesper tryde to give suite case with money)
    Bond knows where Dryden have his gun hide. (As in You know story of the child.)
    Mr White look behind a wall to Bond and Vesper.

    Lyrics (You Know My Name): Song is more refer to The Event, but stil a couple of them to child (besides You Know My Name who refer to all three themes):

    I've seen angels fall from blinding heights (Child see death in eye like Harry Potter and Luna. Link with Spectre: Madeline.) But you yourself are nothing so divine Just next in line (Refer to M her coming death, the Childs death and mabey also death of Mr White who also see death in eye. Death of The Directer, but we don't give a dam.).

    The odds will betray you. (Child is betrayed)

    Bond and Vesper sitting in a Train. Train theme be seen more then once in Daniel Craig era, but not always something to do with a train. Under QOS already know about Camile and train station (or Madeline and Bond in Spectre), but doing this i discover something new that there are some other production designs that look like on train station (Besides Metro station in SF) Example be in Skyfall the new Mi6 intro / Bond & Moneypenny at Mi6. Or look like on Museum and that bring us to....

    House theme in CR:

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    Bond waiting on Mr White at a castle

    M's house / hotel.
    Parkour Chase in South Africa there buld a new bulding
    Card game in the movie with a lot of people: Full House. Full House a old tv serie with family and there children.

    Bond breaks in to a house in 3th part of Parkour chase (Link with silva escape in SF).
    Movie take place on Jamaica (Home town of Ian Fleming. Where his ''child'' James comes to life.)

    Producers try to buld a new series of Bond movies (Moost of time people discover when there be a child. In 1995 i have same age as the child moost fames age when i see Goldeneye.)

    Museum at airport (Art House. Refer to child house see Skyfall. QOS be consider as Arthouse movie.)

    Falling house in Italy (Link with Lyric of Adele song, SF house and two times falling houses in Spectre. But also reference to the QOS meeting, party and you mix this with L'American in Spectre.. )

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    Suport of the House theme:

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    Eva Green promoting Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children. Another movie inspyred by the child.

    Symbol (Property Of Lady) :

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    Judi Dench M death predect in Casino Royale (See earlier comment about Lyric from CR). Using The Child second moost fames symbol. Link with QOS maintitle, Adele song , 'L American in Spectre (Mixed up with Neigbours theme) and also in the NTTD trailer. Vesper having her own symbol (In the car with Bond) Return Twice in QOS at the end. See earlier comment under QOS about Symbol's (like Q thing in QOS, Ring in Spectre, MGM Lion or M her dog). In Harry Potter 7th novel (and 7th/8th movie) there name this a Horcrux (Dutch name: Gruzielement), but better known as Relic (Dutch name: Relikwie) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relic

    Also every person have his own symbol like my self iam a Lion and The Child be a Twin.



    Old Dog new Tricks (sort of...)

    1953 novel get 2006 edition
    1967 movie get 2006 edition
    Martin Campbell returns as film directer for another movie.
    Daniel Craig replacing Pierce Brosnan as new Bond (The child be replaced by another child)

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    In Casino Royale you get another old man who play the Gadget man and ''young girl'' Moneypenny. Finaly in SF we get new Q and Moneypenny. This ''Q'' in CR put something in Bond arm, in Spectre new Q put something in his arm. In SF new Q (Ben Wishaw) refer to Goldeneye Pen in museum.

    CR: Eva Green. QOS: Dominic Greene.

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    Ana De Armas with her mother look like on a English princess. Diana be with Prince Charles on set of TLD and Charles also visit a set of NTTD. Charles is since Diana her death originaly single parent from Harry and William (See Dryden..). This made Camila there stepmother (Oberhouser his father is Bond stepfather)

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    Mabey you can use this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reincarnation
    to understand person is seen in another person. Like Voldemort/Umbridge in Harry Potter 5 and Dominic Green in QOS represent The Directer. In Spectre you can see somebody who look like on Lechiefe. Some people must think about Tracy with Vesper and Madeline.

    The Neigbours theme.

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    The Netherlands. Also the truck that Bond using to destroy the gate later is made in The Netherlands and have a sign with New Holland. You know that The Child is partly Dutch (See Skyfall) and DOP from Spectre too. The Netherlands (and Belgium) have link with Africa. The Netherlands link with another country you can spot three times (3th: Where Airport scene play) in CR. Link with something in car chase in Spectre.

    One other one to that country (exept the one when Bond looking to tennis ''girl'') you can find outside the casino (and delete scene). (In Skyfall you must be inside the Casino for moost clues). You also can see it in first trailer of movie with some talk with M over it. M told truth (Link with Skyfall). Also in trailers of QOS and skyfall she told the truth. Another country have link with the ''girl'' from at the end of QOS.

    Africa having a link with another country in NTDD using a symbol of the child, same country that is also seen in another movie.

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    link with qoute from Mr White in Spectre.

    Something new found out that M is not only woman who told us the truth and QOS told us this in a lyric of Another Way To Die. A second meaning of that lyric.

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    Solange told the truth from Aston Martin joke.

    It is part of the Alarm theme. It is not about the past but about the future (The child and The directer are ''not'' part of that future), like Maintitles in Daniel Craig era told us the future (like Chinees wall in QOS maintitle). In Spectre respents by Tanner, Moneypenny and Q on the bridge. In NTTD (in Italy see earlier comment.) link with QOS Clock Tower (Reference to Dutch Day/month) scene. It is a bit like kid playing Hide (Hidden) and seek (Search/Find) and must count to 10 (Lyric Adele). 1, 2, 3..

    David Arnold only returns twice for CR and QOS
    Thomas Newman did two Bond movies with SF & Spectre.

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    Delete scene from CR. mixed up with Train Station/Museum theme and Neigbour.


    Le Chiffre talking with Bond about that it going to take a long time. The only question remains: will you health in time?. Refer the child death. Refer to the Event screentime (whyle that is doubtfull).

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    Spectre is released in 2015 and NTTD original plan for 2020, whyle 2021 isn't a problem. 2015 and 2020 are inportent (Child, Event and in less to The Directer because we don't give a dam.) for us all and inspecialy for Adele (Refer to Dutch Day/Month in time.)



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    Comingsoon:



    A Twist with A 6th movie in to the mix..

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    DIE ANOTHER DAY!! : The Final Chapter



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  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    Die Another Day

    Child Behaviour:

    Jinx to Zoa: Your Mamma.
    Gustav Graves showing his new toy (twice)
    Miranda stops fight between Bond and Graves with ''enough!''

    Like Skyfall no Children seen in the movie.

    Alarm theme:

    Lyrics of the song:

    I'm gonna wake up, yes and no. (Like a ghost.)
    I'm gonna close my body now (Death of the child...)

    Sigmund Freud Analyze this Analyze this
    Analyze this, this, this, this, this
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    I'm gonna break the cycle
    I'm gonna shake up the system (The Directer did)
    I'm gonna destroy my ego
    I'm gonna close my body now

    I think I'll find another way
    There's so much more to know
    I guess I'll die another day
    It's not my time to go
    For every sin, I'll have to pay (Skyfall: Think about your sins. Every mistake The Child can have made mean death.)
    A time to work, a time to play
    I think I'll find another way
    It's not my time to go



    MGM and 20th Century Fox production

    Die Another Day is anniversary Bond movie (40th anniversary of James Bond films). 2014, 2015, 2018, 2019, 2020 and 2021 are inportent years with anniversary (2015 / 2020 for the child. In 2021, it is 20 years a go about 11 September 2001. In 2019 it was 20 years a go Desmond LLewelyn died. 20th Century Fox production, the 20th Century is where Event take place and The Child And The Directer lived in.

    Bell at the end of PTS.
    Bond escape from the schip after his heart atack.
    When Raoul and Bond talking



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    Background story:

    Hidden places:

    Madonna breaks the glass in Die Another Day videoclip. (Link: Done scene Skyfall)

    Hovercraft smashed a door (more about that under The Neigbours theme)
    Hidden door behind a wall at cuba clinic (With camera like the camera's in CR Parkour Chase.)
    Bond breaks glass with a ring (Hidden under glass)
    Secret door (Get the key) when Bond meet M/Q. Secret metro station (Link with Skyfall: Metro station) close to same bridge as in Spectre.
    Hidden behind glass in Bond hotel room, big quistion be is there hidden camera at Lucia house in Spectre too ?.
    Hidden behind a mask with Zoa/Graves whant to have new face. (Link with PTS in Spectre).

    Train theme: Secret Metro station but with no train/metro. Where is train like where is Camile in QOS.

    House theme:


    Part of ice palace looks like on Opera House in Australia (In PTS of Spectre you can see also litle bit of Opera House).

    The Neigbours:
    Hovercraft smashed a door. When the door is closed you see link with The Netherlands, Cuba. North Korea also have link with Cuba and Turkey, same as Arica - Cuba (See CR). North Korea-Hong Kong-Turkey-China have a link.

    Ice palace looks like on Opera House in Australia and the movie is directed by New zealand directer. Connection with Netherlands, there is ''Zeeland'' is one of 12 states of The Netherlands and earlier New York was named New Amsterdam.

    Old dog New Tricks:

    Both DAD and CR are directed by New Zealand directer.
    Bond replaced him self (old) with Von Bierk (Young). (Look like Twins, the symbol of the child)
    Falco in Die Another Day looks like on Elvis (Elvis in QOS)
    Jinx walk out the sea (Bond walking out the sea in Casino Royale)
    Raoul (Raoul Silva in SF)
    Bond get heart atack (Link with CR)
    Bond wake ups after heart atack (Link with CR)
    Girl waiting on her boy friend (Like Mathis girlfriend in QOS)
    Water sprinkles go off at Cuba clinic (Miami Airport scene in CR)
    Bond under the ice (Bond under the ice in Skyfall)
    Graves showing his new toy to Bond / Journalist and the audince (Dominic talks about his plans at QOS party)
    Bond, Miranda and Journalist waiting on Graves making his big entry. (Dominic talks about his plans at QOS party with Bond, Mathis, Fields and Audince as witness.)
    Suite case: People give Bond suite case or other way around (Von Bierk, Zoa, iam the money guy in CR, Moneypenny in Skyfall.)
    Bond play with Rosa Kleb shoe in Q lab / Bond play with gun in Q lab in Spectre

    In Q's lab and when Bond visit Raoul there be a lot of stuff that bring you back in time (Back in Time said by Bond against Dench M in Aston Martin in Skyfall), like as in L'American in Specte,

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    but moost inportent thing is that Bond have book about birds in his hand. In depthfans know that Fleming ''stole'' name James Bond from book named Birds of The West Indies written by James Bond. In promotion picture of Spectre https://www.jamesbondlifestyle.com/sites/default/files/styles/fancybox_popup/public/images/product/bo014-birds-of-the-west-indies-by-james-bond-spectre.jpg?itok=QidE6-4n you can see Clapperboard with that book.

    Symbol:
    Bond with ''book'' in his hands before Aston Martin destroyd it (History gone..). Child moost fames symbol is a book. In earlier picture is from difrent side and shadow make it darker and so look like a black book.

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    The Gay team: Silva get out of the closed in Skyfall. Miranda Frost turn out to be gay or intrest in both sides, also in turn out she is trater. She betrayd him twice. From the child it is known possible loved both sexes or own sexes. Also The Directer refeal his true meanings (Mask Of).


















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    2019 (In 2020 and 2021 only with a view people like our King and President ''Premier''.)

    Tonight 20.00 - 20.02 Dutch time..

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    For The Child, The Event and if you whant all other death's and other events you whant too.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_of_the_Dead

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    James Bond and Barbara Broccoli will return...




    Happy 33th Birthday tomorrow Adele!



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    March 2022

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    Daniel Craig so happy as child to win a oscar
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