Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I think they're very different beasts, MI certainly has the spectacle but I think when it comes to plot and characters, James Bond always has the edge (for me)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I am a Bond fan, so I'll always pick Bond over MI, and I'll always make a point
    of watching Bond in the cinema, whereas with the Mission films. I'm happy
    to watch them on Blu-ray
  • QsCatQsCat London
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    mtm wrote: »
    I am looking forward to No Time To Die, but I am more confident of MI7 being a good film.

    Wow bold words. I agree that NTTD has MUCH more potential to disappoint.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Cruise is scum.
  • QsCatQsCat London
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    I think Mission Impossible is often thought less of here because of Cruise himself. Partly because some people don't respect him as an actor. I never thought much of him, I thought I knew 'Tom Cruise'. But since seeing him in Eyes Wide Shut, Magnolia , Jerry Maguire, I now regard him much more highly as an actor.

    The same with Nicholas Cage- Wild at Heart, Leaving Las Vegas, etc.

    And Hugh Grant, I felt the same about him. Then I saw About a Boy, A very English Scandal, and other things, and I think he's brilliant.

  • QsCatQsCat London
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    Cruise is scum.

    Ha say what you really think why don't you
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    QsCat wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    Cruise is scum.

    Ha say what you really think why don't you

    There is plenty out there to show this, if people feel comfortable loving him and his films I guess that is their business but I absolutely can't stand the smug egotistical monster he is.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Tom Cruise for Bond #7!

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    That would be a Risky Business ;)
  • QsCatQsCat London
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    Tom Cruise for Bond #7!

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  • QsCatQsCat London
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    QsCat wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    Cruise is scum.

    Ha say what you really think why don't you

    There is plenty out there to show this, if people feel comfortable loving him and his films I guess that is their business but I absolutely can't stand the smug egotistical monster he is.

    I don't disagree with you but I just meant that he's a better actor than you might think, if you'd only seen certain films.
  • Posts: 6,727
    The Mission impossible movies are quite forgettable! Once seen, you dont really want to see them again.
    Bond rules, and always will!
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    QsCat wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    QsCat wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    Cruise is scum.

    Ha say what you really think why don't you

    There is plenty out there to show this, if people feel comfortable loving him and his films I guess that is their business but I absolutely can't stand the smug egotistical monster he is.

    I don't disagree with you but I just meant that he's a better actor than you might think, if you'd only seen certain films.

    The one film that he gets lauded for his performance is Magnolia, though I think you likely see more of the real Tom Cruise there than anything else he has done.

    He is showing the real Tom Cruise, the nasty narcistic bully, like we heard on those leaks recently.

    That one from Tropical Thunder that everyone wets themselves over, I think there is more of the real Cruise there, another nasty bully, though it is all a joke though isn't because Tom isn't really like that is he???....

    I think he doesn't have much range, he has done some challenging stuff like Born On The 4th July but I don't think they want to back him anything else than the usual Tom Cruise schtick, the MI films, that film series where the author thinks he was too short to play the character.

    I'll be interested to see what he does once Ethan Hunt and those type characters when he is too old to play them credibly or realistically.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2021 Posts: 14,861
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    The Mission impossible movies are quite forgettable! Once seen, you dont really want to see them again.
    Bond rules, and always will!

    No, I watch them loads of times because they're brilliantly made. Same as I do with Bond.
    I daresay many people think the Bond films are forgettable and can't remember which is which.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    Just on spectacle alone the MI films have left Bond standing. I hate to say it
    But they're now the go to films for Big stunt work. Yet have also managed
    as @mtm points out, to keep some emotional connection between the characters.
    I'm no Tom Cruise fan, but I do respect the amount of work, time and effort he
    puts in. To Give the fans what they want. As I have posted before Competition
    is a good thing it should make everyone raise their game.

    I'm with you on the spectacle. MI: Fallout left recent Bond films in the dust on this.

    There is more to it, of course, but in this aspect, at least, EON could learn something from MI.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Roadphill wrote: »
    Just on spectacle alone the MI films have left Bond standing. I hate to say it
    But they're now the go to films for Big stunt work. Yet have also managed
    as @mtm points out, to keep some emotional connection between the characters.
    I'm no Tom Cruise fan, but I do respect the amount of work, time and effort he
    puts in. To Give the fans what they want. As I have posted before Competition
    is a good thing it should make everyone raise their game.

    I'm with you on the spectacle. MI: Fallout left recent Bond films in the dust on this.

    There is more to it, of course, but in this aspect, at least, EON could learn something from MI.

    Yep.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Roadphill wrote: »
    Just on spectacle alone the MI films have left Bond standing. I hate to say it
    But they're now the go to films for Big stunt work. Yet have also managed
    as @mtm points out, to keep some emotional connection between the characters.
    I'm no Tom Cruise fan, but I do respect the amount of work, time and effort he
    puts in. To Give the fans what they want. As I have posted before Competition
    is a good thing it should make everyone raise their game.

    I'm with you on the spectacle. MI: Fallout left recent Bond films in the dust on this.

    There is more to it, of course, but in this aspect, at least, EON could learn something from MI.

    Yep.

    That is entirely your opinion and others but it isn't fact, you don't like the way the series is approached at the moment it is still more successful than the MI series and it doesn't have vile person associated with it.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    echo wrote: »
    My aversion to the MI films is that Tom Cruise is always playing the character of Tom Cruise. There's no emotional core to them.

    That would depend on ones definition of "emotional core". It could be argued that most of the MI films have soem emotion in them. Fallout definitely had an emotional heft, and a more personal stake than the previous films. It also juggled the emotional element better than the current era of Bond, which is too lop-sided on that front. The Bond-Blofeld connection is such a cheap way to wedge some emotion into the film.

    I don't count Tom Cruise as a favourite actor of mine, but at the same time, I won't say that he is a bad actor by any stretch. His best non action film, that I have seen, has to be A Few Good Men. He goes toe-to-toe with a legend like Jack Nicholson, and still holds his own.

  • QsCatQsCat London
    edited January 2021 Posts: 251
    What was the last impressive set-piece stunt in a Bond film? Which used little or no CGI. We could do with another scene like the dam jump in Goldeneye
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2021 Posts: 14,861
    Shardlake wrote: »
    Roadphill wrote: »
    Just on spectacle alone the MI films have left Bond standing. I hate to say it
    But they're now the go to films for Big stunt work. Yet have also managed
    as @mtm points out, to keep some emotional connection between the characters.
    I'm no Tom Cruise fan, but I do respect the amount of work, time and effort he
    puts in. To Give the fans what they want. As I have posted before Competition
    is a good thing it should make everyone raise their game.

    I'm with you on the spectacle. MI: Fallout left recent Bond films in the dust on this.

    There is more to it, of course, but in this aspect, at least, EON could learn something from MI.

    Yep.

    That is entirely your opinion and others but it isn't fact, you don't like the way the series is approached at the moment it is still more successful than the MI series and it doesn't have vile person associated with it.

    The last Bond film made about $20 million more profit than the last MI film- when you're talking about numbers over $600 million there's not much in it. These are not unsuccessful movies.
    And his being vile is very much an opinion and not a fact.
    I don't count Tom Cruise as a favourite actor of mine, but at the same time, I won't say that he is a bad actor by any stretch. His best non action film, that I have seen, has to be A Few Good Men. He goes toe-to-toe with a legend like Jack Nicholson, and still holds his own.

    Yes it's a shame he hasn't really shared the screen with anyone else on his level recently- he started out with films with Dustin Hoffman and Paul Newman but probably the last time he appeared with someone approaching being another star was Russell Crowe in the The Mummy, and that was pretty brief.
  • QsCat wrote: »
    What was the last impressive set-piece stunt in a Bond film? Which used little or no CGI. We could do with another scene like the dam jump in Goldeneye

    The helicopter rumble at the end of the Spectre PTS? I guess only the wide shots of the helicopter itself though.
  • QsCatQsCat London
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    QsCat wrote: »
    What was the last impressive set-piece stunt in a Bond film? Which used little or no CGI. We could do with another scene like the dam jump in Goldeneye

    The helicopter rumble at the end of the Spectre PTS? I guess only the wide shots of the helicopter itself though.

    I didn't find that very impressive though. The bits inside the helicopter were good, but apart from that I felt I was watching a CGI scene
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    echo wrote: »
    My aversion to the MI films is that Tom Cruise is always playing the character of Tom Cruise. There's no emotional core to them.

    That would depend on ones definition of "emotional core". It could be argued that most of the MI films have soem emotion in them. Fallout definitely had an emotional heft, and a more personal stake than the previous films. It also juggled the emotional element better than the current era of Bond, which is too lop-sided on that front. The Bond-Blofeld connection is such a cheap way to wedge some emotion into the film.

    I don't count Tom Cruise as a favourite actor of mine, but at the same time, I won't say that he is a bad actor by any stretch. His best non action film, that I have seen, has to be A Few Good Men. He goes toe-to-toe with a legend like Jack Nicholson, and still holds his own.

    He was good in Eyes Wide Shut too.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    QsCat wrote: »
    QsCat wrote: »
    What was the last impressive set-piece stunt in a Bond film? Which used little or no CGI. We could do with another scene like the dam jump in Goldeneye

    The helicopter rumble at the end of the Spectre PTS? I guess only the wide shots of the helicopter itself though.

    I didn't find that very impressive though. The bits inside the helicopter were good, but apart from that I felt I was watching a CGI scene

    Yes, which is a shame as there are some good stunts there. The loop-the-loop should be impressive, but they shoot it from the side which just makes it look like they've turned the camera upside down (and you can tell from the shadows that it really is doing it)- if they'd shot it from the front or back it would have looked more impressive.
  • Yeah I agree the Spectre helicopter fight didn’t do it for me either, that’s just the last super big practical stunt I remember being hyped by the production.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    Bond is better purely because of Bond. Doesn't matter how fun the MI films are, I will always prefer Bond, because of the character. I am not interested in what Ethan Hunt eats or wears, whereas some of the best bits of Bond are the moments when he isn't even involved in any action.

    Saying that, the MI films are definitely very good action films, and are leading the way in blockbuster spy movies at the moment.

    I don't mind Cruise, he comes across ok to me. But has anyone here seen the Alex Gibney documentary about Going Clear? It contains a quite frankly astonishing story about Cruise that several high profile people are happy to go on record and claim is true.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes, there's nothing like the helicopter sequence from Fallout, which I'm sure someone will tell us was forgettable and ordinary, but I found it thrilling and tense, not least because it looks incredible and there is some great stunt work going on there. Plus the plot has put you in a position where you do actually care what's happening, which is how you build tension in an action scene.
    The bike/car chase is the same in that film: you feel the speed and the skill going into it, even though most of the cars that they're dodging on the road are CG and not really there. But the car chase in Spectre- even though they're great drivers- doesn't feel fast because they've been told to do big stupid powerslides with loads of oversteer (which a fast driver would try to avoid) and there's not the urgency to it that you feel in the MI chases.

    It's a good point about big stunts though; what was the last one, big stunt? The car flip in Casino Royale?
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    And the parkour stuff in CR too I suppose. The jump from the crane etc.
  • QsCatQsCat London
    edited January 2021 Posts: 251
    Bond is better purely because of Bond. Doesn't matter how fun the MI films are, I will always prefer Bond, because of the character. I am not interested in what Ethan Hunt eats or wears, whereas some of the best bits of Bond are the moments when he isn't even involved in any action.

    Saying that, the MI films are definitely very good action films, and are leading the way in blockbuster spy movies at the moment.

    I don't mind Cruise, he comes across ok to me. But has anyone here seen the Alex Gibney documentary about Going Clear? It contains a quite frankly astonishing story about Cruise that several high profile people are happy to go on record and claim is true.

    You're right there, I don't think anybody could disagree with that. It's mainly the action really that's the source of comparison.

    I did see that doc a while ago but don't remember the Cruise allegations. Think I recall something about them trying to find a wife for him though
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