No Time to Die production thread

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  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
    edited January 2021 Posts: 66
    Why do people even care about the movie? We already know Felix dies, Bond has a daughter, Nomi is 007 but she will be 003 by the end of the movie and Bond doesn't die at the end. We already know the major beats and all plot twists, we may as well skip it lmfao.

    Mod Edit: Please use spoiler tags when discussing major plot info not shown in official material.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,518
    Zekidk wrote: »
    @CraigMooreOHMSS

    I don't believe that the majority of people are into piracy and illegal streaming. And saying that it isn't realistic is a real downer. It's not like we are trying to send a man to Mars or something in three years time. The infrastructure is already there. All it takes is a Yes Man, a modern Bob Geldof, who sees possibilities instead of obstacles.

    The majority may not be, but enough are to make it financially unfeasible. I’d see it in theatres too after a stream release, but Craig’s point remains; we’re the minority there. Non hardcore fans will watch it at home and that will be enough for them.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,009
    Zekidk wrote: »
    @CraigMooreOHMSS

    I don't believe that the majority of people are into piracy and illegal streaming. And saying that it isn't realistic is a real downer. It's not like we are trying to send a man to Mars or something in three years time. The infrastructure is already there. All it takes is a Yes Man, a modern Bob Geldof, who sees possibilities instead of obstacles.

    I guess we just look at the world differently then, @Zekidk :-?? I'm just not really sure what the payoff would be from a business point of view.
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    I'm just not really sure what the payoff would be from a business point of view.

    Payoff? This event would be marketed and sponsored. Who doesn't want to be affiliated with it? And then there's the mark on history as I mentioned earlier. Some things just can't be bought!
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,009
    Zekidk wrote: »
    @CraigMooreOHMSS

    I don't believe that the majority of people are into piracy and illegal streaming. And saying that it isn't realistic is a real downer. It's not like we are trying to send a man to Mars or something in three years time. The infrastructure is already there. All it takes is a Yes Man, a modern Bob Geldof, who sees possibilities instead of obstacles.

    The majority may not be, but enough are to make it financially unfeasible. I’d see it in theatres too after a stream release, but Craig’s point remains; we’re the minority there. Non hardcore fans will watch it at home and that will be enough for them.

    Exactly, @NickTwentyTwo! In a nutshell.
    Zekidk wrote: »
    I'm just not really sure what the payoff would be from a business point of view.

    Payoff? This event would be marketed and sponsored. Who doesn't want to be affiliated with it? And then there's the mark on history as I mentioned earlier. Some things just can't be bought!

    Marketed and sponsored by who?
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    Marketed and sponsored by who?

    Pepsi, Coca Cola, Heineken, Nestle, Samsung, Mastercard, Google, Adidas, your local deli ...I don't know. Someone who wants to attach their name to the project/event.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,009
    Zekidk wrote: »
    Marketed and sponsored by who?

    Pepsi, Coca Cola, Heineken, Nestle, Samsung, Mastercard, Google, Adidas, your local deli ...I don't know. Someone who wants to attach their name to the project/event.

    I see, thanks.

    Well, all I can say is that I genuinely admire your optimism!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 14,861
    Zekidk wrote: »
    I'm just not really sure what the payoff would be from a business point of view.

    Payoff? This event would be marketed and sponsored. Who doesn't want to be affiliated with it? And then there's the mark on history as I mentioned earlier. Some things just can't be bought!

    It's very easy to throw other peoples' money away! :)
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,548
    Zekidk wrote: »
    They have a real chance of making history here. People all over are fed up with this virus. So here's an idea:

    Have a worldwide event sometime soon, with free streaming in a 24 hour period of NTTD. Imagine that: the world coming together like that. And the publicity!

    They can always release it in theatres when they open up in 2022/2023/2024.

    All we (the human race) had to do was lock sh*t down for a month or six weeks. No travel. Mandatory delivery of all goods. Maintain complete distancing. This was a small sacrifice. But nooooooooooo.

    So here we are. A virus mutating like a mofo, ten months later, and we're not better off.

    That all said, I am optimistic that vaccine distribution will get better in the weeks/months ahead. NTTD's delay won't be put off as far as November.
  • Posts: 121
    TripAces wrote: »
    ten months later, and we're not better off.

    Umm, you might not have noticed, but we have vaccines now.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,009
    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    ten months later, and we're not better off.

    Umm, you might not have noticed, but we have vaccines now.

    Did you read his follow-up sentence before excluding it from your quote, or....?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,518
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    They have a real chance of making history here. People all over are fed up with this virus. So here's an idea:

    Have a worldwide event sometime soon, with free streaming in a 24 hour period of NTTD. Imagine that: the world coming together like that. And the publicity!

    They can always release it in theatres when they open up in 2022/2023/2024.

    All we (the human race) had to do was lock sh*t down for a month or six weeks. No travel. Mandatory delivery of all goods. Maintain complete distancing. This was a small sacrifice. But nooooooooooo.

    So here we are. A virus mutating like a mofo, ten months later, and we're not better off.

    That all said, I am optimistic that vaccine distribution will get better in the weeks/months ahead. NTTD's delay won't be put off as far as November.

    I laugh when I think how quickly we could have been done with this pandemic. Then I cry.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,050
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    They have a real chance of making history here. People all over are fed up with this virus. So here's an idea:

    Have a worldwide event sometime soon, with free streaming in a 24 hour period of NTTD. Imagine that: the world coming together like that. And the publicity!

    They can always release it in theatres when they open up in 2022/2023/2024.

    All we (the human race) had to do was lock sh*t down for a month or six weeks. No travel. Mandatory delivery of all goods. Maintain complete distancing. This was a small sacrifice. But nooooooooooo.

    So here we are. A virus mutating like a mofo, ten months later, and we're not better off.

    That all said, I am optimistic that vaccine distribution will get better in the weeks/months ahead. NTTD's delay won't be put off as far as November.

    I laugh when I think how quickly we could have been done with this pandemic. Then I cry.

    I apologize world, for my government’s incompetence. I didn’t vote them in, but I apologize for a few of them, as they should have been term-limited or voted out LONG ago. So, blame my government and these idiots who keep voting people in who clearly don’t care for anything else but their bank accounts.
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    The spread of this virus is (also) caused by people with no symptoms infecting other people. That is why it wasn't over in a couple of months, like the last time there was a deadly SARS virus which had a much shorter incubation period, making it easier to isolate people.
  • QsCatQsCat London
    Posts: 251
    QsCat wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    km16 wrote: »
    It would be ironic at this point if it comes out and it sucks after all of this waiting.

    Imagine waiting this long for SPECTRE. Yes, the step brother nonsense destroyed the film for me.

    That’s a shame.

    That and Bond blowing up the entire HQ with ONE bullet, a snore inducing car chase, a poor ending to a great train fight, mixed intensions with Bond being attacked on the train but welcomed with open arms on his arrival at Blofeld's........etc. etc. not to mention a miserable title song, award or no award. I just hope NTTD does not suck in the same way after all the waiting.

    "Shit"


    X_X

    Terrible

    The original script (yes, I read it, I'm a horrible person) had such a better moment there. Hinx didn't say anything, but immediately after he fell off the train, Bond says, "I thought he'd never shut up."

    Interesting to know! Sounds like an equally poor alternative though...
  • QsCatQsCat London
    Posts: 251
    QsCat wrote: »
    QsCat wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    km16 wrote: »
    It would be ironic at this point if it comes out and it sucks after all of this waiting.

    Imagine waiting this long for SPECTRE. Yes, the step brother nonsense destroyed the film for me.

    That’s a shame.

    That and Bond blowing up the entire HQ with ONE bullet, a snore inducing car chase, a poor ending to a great train fight, mixed intensions with Bond being attacked on the train but welcomed with open arms on his arrival at Blofeld's........etc. etc. not to mention a miserable title song, award or no award. I just hope NTTD does not suck in the same way after all the waiting.

    "Shit"


    X_X

    Terrible

    The original script (yes, I read it, I'm a horrible person) had such a better moment there. Hinx didn't say anything, but immediately after he fell off the train, Bond says, "I thought he'd never shut up."

    Interesting to know! Sounds like an equally poor alternative though...

    Hinx should have just given a terrible scream... would have been much better.. words weren't needed
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    Hinx's head should have torn completely off. Back to NTTD.................I honestly don't know what they are going to do regarding their release pattern now. Theatrical? Streaming? Who knows but at some point they will have to pull the trigger and more on to Bond 26 or a streaming series. Disney didn't do to badly with Mandalorian in resurrecting the excitement for Star Wars. If Theaters manage to really return strongly in a couple of years they could always do 007 films as extra special events if Bond was a streaming series.
  • Posts: 3,272
    TripAces wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    They have a real chance of making history here. People all over are fed up with this virus. So here's an idea:

    Have a worldwide event sometime soon, with free streaming in a 24 hour period of NTTD. Imagine that: the world coming together like that. And the publicity!

    They can always release it in theatres when they open up in 2022/2023/2024.

    All we (the human race) had to do was lock sh*t down for a month or six weeks. No travel. Mandatory delivery of all goods. Maintain complete distancing. This was a small sacrifice. But nooooooooooo.

    So here we are. A virus mutating like a mofo, ten months later, and we're not better off.

    That all said, I am optimistic that vaccine distribution will get better in the weeks/months ahead. NTTD's delay won't be put off as far as November.

    No way this is happening this year. NTTD's release may be next spring, assuming the vaccination roll-out goes well, and an unforeseen new strain doesn't suddenly arrive which these current vaccines can't affect.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Not a red herring
    Posts: 539
    Eventually there will come a point where they just have to release it online. I expected it to get delayed to November, but if we're not good to go by then, that might be the breaking point.

    As far as Bond 26 goes, it's one of these impossibly far off concepts like heat death.
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    Eventually there will come a point where they just have to release it online. I expected it to get delayed to November, but if we're not good to go by then, that might be the breaking point.

    As far as Bond 26 goes, it's one of these impossibly far off concepts like heat death.

    If they were smart, they would already be planning it or at least writing it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited January 2021 Posts: 7,969
    They don't have to release the film EVER if they don't want. It's happened before where films have simply disappeared because studios decided not to release them, or made films that no one was intended to see in the first place.

    Many have tried to explain why releasing on streaming won't work for Bond 25. The main issue is that there isn't a natural service for it to head to, and the likes of Apple/Neltflix/Amazon aren't willing to cough up 600+ million for a single film (which is what it would have to make to break even). Secondly MGM don't exactly have a factory pumping out a dozen blockbusters per year like Disney and WB. Outside of a few smaller films, and the Creed franchise, this Bond movie is the culmination of 6 years work. They can't afford to simply dump it on Netflix and move on, the financial repercussions would be disastrous.

    At some point in future movie theaters will be open again, and people will eventually come around to watching things on the big screen. I think there is validity in the idea that the first films out which capture the public are likely to receive a bump, since going to the cinema will be a cultural novelty again. A bit like after Jaws the shark dies, everyone wants to go for a swim. The trick is getting the timing right, I think at this point between April and November 2022 is a safe bet, this year is probably gonna be turbulent, with new strains popping up, and intermittent lockdowns continuing.

    Once we begin to talk about Bond 26, then things really to get interesting. I'm starting to think perhaps @ToTheRight and others are correct, and that we might not see another film this decade. There is so much background shuffling that needs to take place before they can even start to think about the next project. Casting a new Bond is a careful job in itself, and they've managed to maintain a good record at it so far...
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2021 Posts: 14,861
    They don't have to release the film EVER if they don't want. It's happened before where films have simply disappeared because studios decided not to release them, or made films that no one was intended to see in the first place.

    Apparently MGM borrowed the money to make it so they need to pay that back. It seems likely they do need to release it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited January 2021 Posts: 7,969
    mtm wrote: »
    They don't have to release the film EVER if they don't want. It's happened before where films have simply disappeared because studios decided not to release them, or made films that no one was intended to see in the first place.

    Apparently MGM borrowed the money to make it so they need to pay that back. It seems likely they do need to release it.

    True, which is exactly why they can't afford to just drop it on netflix.

    Their only option is to continue to accrue debt until the movie can safely open, and hope it opens BIG.

    I bet Barbara and EON are confident they have the goods.
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
    edited January 2021 Posts: 972
    Delay after delay. This is getting annoyingly frustrating. What were they expecting? Just set the year for a release in 2030. Good grief. It won't get any better in Nov 2021 even with the vaccine. Don't expect 2022 to be any different either. So unless they decide to get their heads out of their bottom and release it simultaneously both in the cinemas and on digital, we would probably never see the movie in the foreseeable future. They ought to forget about earning so much like they used to because even if they do release it in the cinemas when cinemas are all open worldwide (which is not likely to happen this year or next), whether the movie is good or not, the box office takings just won't be the same anymore.

    Or years from now when we do reach that stage when cinemas are all open and we reach normalcy to how it was before the pandemic, people would be more cautious about going back out to crowd the cinemas. This whole delay after delay is just dumb. Delay the upcoming April release, and it'll only be delayed again and again and again. Unless they go digital and release simultaneously in the cinemas, we would never see it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 14,861
    What's the problem with moving the date back? It doesn't harm anyone, I don't think we need to call it dumb.
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
    Posts: 972
    mtm wrote: »
    What's the problem with moving the date back? It doesn't harm anyone, I don't think we need to call it dumb.

    It is dumb. Because they are targeting an unrealistic theatrical only release which won't happen anytime soon. So they won't earn anything from the countless delays. Whereas if they were to release it in April simultaneously with cinemas and digital download/on demand etc just like WW84, they would still be earning something for the movie rather than not earning anything at all from the countless delays, pushing it back hoping to earn big through cinemas which won't be opening anytime soon.
  • QsCatQsCat London
    Posts: 251
    Why can't the film be released online now and theatrically later on? Piracy is probably to blame
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited January 2021 Posts: 14,861
    imranbecks wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What's the problem with moving the date back? It doesn't harm anyone, I don't think we need to call it dumb.

    It is dumb. Because they are targeting an unrealistic theatrical only release which won't happen anytime soon. So they won't earn anything from the countless delays. Whereas if they were to release it in April simultaneously with cinemas and digital download/on demand etc just like WW84, they would still be earning something for the movie rather than not earning anything at all from the countless delays, pushing it back hoping to earn big through cinemas which won't be opening anytime soon.

    I would say that taking a small amount now when you can take a larger amount later would be pretty dumb.

    It's their money, it's not ours: we don't get to decide what they do with it. They also have more information than we do and have a better idea of what they need to do, and what they need to get.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited January 2021 Posts: 4,343
    imranbecks wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    What's the problem with moving the date back? It doesn't harm anyone, I don't think we need to call it dumb.

    It is dumb. Because they are targeting an unrealistic theatrical only release which won't happen anytime soon. So they won't earn anything from the countless delays.

    They know better than us. It's their job, their property, their money.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,009
    The logic of "better to earn something now" is a very transparent veil to cover individual frustration at not being able to see the film. We get it. You want to see it. There's nothing wrong with that, but the faux-economic tangles people are tying themselves up in and labelling as "solutions" are equally as frustrating to read.

    Unless WW '84 magically makes a lot more money in the next few weeks, the tandem cinema and VOD/streaming release hasn't proven successful in any way yet.
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