No Time to Die production thread (MINOR SPOILERS ALLOWED)

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Agreed.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Yeah, it feels inevitable now at this point.
  • My guess is we'll get one final delay, to November 2021. By then, we can hope (at least in theory) that enough people will have been vaccinated that going to the movies might not seem to be the life-and-death event it feels like now.

    We might possibly be delayed - hopefully though to the Summer rather than November (remember that flu season starts around that time).
    Also, please don't say that going to the cinema is a life-and-death event (though some people might feel that way). Yes, I'm young and quite healthy but I felt very safe and comfortable during both of my visits during this pandemic. Again, it's one of the easiest places to establish physical distancing rules and good cleaning practices.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    I think they won’t release NTTD til all those capacity restrictions and distancing will mostly expire, at least in key markets.
  • SatoriousSatorious Brushing up on a little Danish
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    Nov 2021 doesn't seem viable - Nov 2020 certainly wasn't thanks to the start of flu season! I'm also not sure cinemas are going to be able to entice the same level of audience numbers back. Don't pin all your hopes on a vaccine fixing everything either (you can still transmit). Then the worldwide release issue - different countries dealing with the pandemic in different ways with different infection numbers. Either you get creative in 2021 (eg. mix of cinema and streaming - like WW84), or you delay for yet another year and hope things return back to normal. Personally I don't see things going back to how they were for a number of years - even though it pains me to say all this.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Unfortunately eon Really have a franchise changing loss on their hands. It is impossible to make significant profit on a $260 million investment that requires tens of millions of people around the globe to go to a public place and sit with strangers.

    I think it’s possible the lame duck that is MGM will sell up or be forced into it, EoN will have to sell up to cut their losses and the franchise will have a new owner come end of 2021

    The whole thing is an unfortunate catastrophe from a business angle. And the whole thing has been an exercise in denial and misplaced optimism.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    Unfortunately eon Really have a franchise changing loss on their hands. It is impossible to make significant profit on a $260 million investment that requires tens of millions of people around the globe to go to a public place and sit with strangers.

    I think it’s possible the lame duck that is MGM will sell up or be forced into it, EoN will have to sell up to cut their losses and the franchise will have a new owner come end of 2021

    The whole thing is an unfortunate catastrophe from a business angle. And the whole thing has been an exercise in denial and misplaced optimism.

    I know I am being impatient and inconsiderate but I really want to see this film. Its been 5 years of waiting and from what we have been given it seems like a belter. I would watch it both at home and then when I can in theatres if need be.
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    It is very unfortunate. But we have to be realistic. I’d predict 1000+ deaths a day again within 3 weeks in the UK. Which is a sorry situation. Just the idea of a film with a premier in 16 weeks is beyond fanciful.

    But ours government is adept at misplaced optimism.

    There is no good solution really. They’re going to lose money they just have to decide how much and go with that. You can’t change the market.

    I’ve said it earlier I actually think blockbuster/mega budget films are gone for a good few years of not forever.

    Purely speculation but We might see a cultural shift in filmmaking: Smaller budgets, or more optimistic and escapist. I don’t know. Certainly a dark, troubled antihero that requires 700$million ticket sales to break even seems a hard sell right now.

    Alternatively streaming and subscription will just speed up the inevitable decline of cinema
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    The whole situation is so bleak. I truly wonder when we’ll get to see the film.
  • I know I am being impatient and inconsiderate but I really want to see this film. Its been 5 years of waiting and from what we have been given it seems like a belter. I would watch it both at home and then when I can in theatres if need be.
    I can tell you that you are not being impatient and inconsiderate. You feelings are completely valid and I feel the same way as you do. We all deserve this film at this point.
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    It is very unfortunate. But we have to be realistic. I’d predict 1000+ deaths a day again within 3 weeks in the UK. Which is a sorry situation. Just the idea of a film with a premier in 16 weeks is beyond fanciful.

    But ours government is adept at misplaced optimism.

    There is no good solution really. They’re going to lose money they just have to decide how much and go with that. You can’t change the market.

    I’ve said it earlier I actually think blockbuster/mega budget films are gone for a good few years of not forever.

    Purely speculation but We might see a cultural shift in filmmaking: Smaller budgets, or more optimistic and escapist. I don’t know. Certainly a dark, troubled antihero that requires 700$million ticket sales to break even seems a hard sell right now.

    Alternatively streaming and subscription will just speed up the inevitable decline of cinema

    The UK government have done an outstanding job in misguiding the public and fumbling all early attempts at getting a grip on the virus. Why didn’t Cineworld blame them for the November closures rather than NTTD?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
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    DonnyDB5 wrote: »
    The whole situation is so bleak. I truly wonder when we’ll get to see the film.

    Releasing in April is franchise suicide.

    November would be a good date, if it weren't for Mission Impossible already claiming Bonds usual spot.

    The situation is difficult, to say the least.

    With another million in interest accruing each month that passes, the movie is gonna have to make a gargantuan sum just to break even.

    I feel as though whatever happens, the fallout will be huge. MGM will likely sell, as well as EON, and we probably won't hear anything for a few years.
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    Speaking of trimmed down...............If this situation doesn't get better, is it time for a Mandalorian styled 007 streaming series.
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    I think this could be great - a streaming service option that does a period piece faithful adaptation of flemings novels. It already sounds like an attractive pitch.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I don’t think that would suit Bond; I can see it working for Indiana Jones but not Bond.
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    mtm wrote: »
    I don’t think that would suit Bond; I can see it working for Indiana Jones but not Bond.

    What I’ve seen of the Queens gambit was very well realised period piece. I’d. Love to see Flemings bond get a similar treatment
  • SatoriousSatorious Brushing up on a little Danish
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    I hear what you are saying, from a creative view point - an interesting idea. That said I don't think this would work for Bond unless it's a standalone dense period piece - and even then - the challenge would be getting the general audience to embrace this as Bond. I believe they would tire of the format very quickly - and have you seen the rate at which Netflix cancels series' which don't perform well? For every Queens Gambit or Mandalorian - there are loads more casualties you can't remember or which are never seen again! I also think being a series would cheapen the 'exclusivity' of future theatrical releases. How many series' can you name which go on to produce successful theatrical films based on the series (not the overall world in which the story is set)?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes I think it spoils Bond as a big, special movie series. Also, I've seen Bond in the 60s and it was great, but going back it'll only look inferior to those movies which were the real thing.

    And do we really think another version of Goldfinger which removes everything we loved about the movie would be any good?
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    But part of me wonders whether the big screen series is finished As we know it. Or at least going to go on a hiatus, or major revision based on budgets. There can’t be a 200 mill plus film made now for years. It’s too big a gamble. So what do they do to make money.... streaming directly into people’s homes seems a good idea

    I don’t know whether OHMSS, dr no and FRWL aside though we genuinely got a literary bond adaptation. Moonraker set in the 50s I would love to see. That atmospheric smoky dark first few chapters in Blades....👍🏻
  • Matt007 wrote: »
    But part of me wonders whether the big screen series is finished As we know it. Or at least going to go on a hiatus, or major revision based on budgets. There can’t be a 200 mill plus film made now for years. It’s too big a gamble. So what do they do to make money.... streaming directly into people’s homes seems a good idea

    I don’t know whether OHMSS, dr no and FRWL aside though we genuinely got a literary bond adaptation. Moonraker set in the 50s I would love to see. That atmospheric smoky dark first few chapters in Blades....👍🏻

    The film series as we know it won’t be finished. Even if NTTD doesn’t break even, that isn’t enough to make EON cancel the film series for good. I can see a decrease in budget for the next entry, but nothing else besides that.


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    Matt007 wrote: »
    But part of me wonders whether the big screen series is finished As we know it. Or at least going to go on a hiatus, or major revision based on budgets. There can’t be a 200 mill plus film made now for years. It’s too big a gamble. So what do they do to make money.... streaming directly into people’s homes seems a good idea

    I don’t know whether OHMSS, dr no and FRWL aside though we genuinely got a literary bond adaptation. Moonraker set in the 50s I would love to see. That atmospheric smoky dark first few chapters in Blades....👍🏻

    the video game industry seems like a smarter idea the could put out 2-3 games rake in a profit and then move on to the next film in a decade or so
  • Matt007 wrote: »
    Unfortunately eon Really have a franchise changing loss on their hands. It is impossible to make significant profit on a $260 million investment that requires tens of millions of people around the globe to go to a public place and sit with strangers.

    I think it’s possible the lame duck that is MGM will sell up or be forced into it, EoN will have to sell up to cut their losses and the franchise will have a new owner come end of 2021

    The whole thing is an unfortunate catastrophe from a business angle. And the whole thing has been an exercise in denial and misplaced optimism.

    I'd like for EoN to sell. Warner Bros. would be my choice of studio. I had such high hopes following Casino Royale. Skyfall was fantastic too, but again that was following a big delay. Craig's era seems to have been plagued by delays and dithering. I sense that the producers are tired.
  • mrlynxmrlynx Maine
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    I'd like for EoN to sell. Warner Bros. would be my choice of studio. I had such high hopes following Casino Royale. Skyfall was fantastic too, but again that was following a big delay. Craig's era seems to have been plagued by delays and dithering. I sense that the producers are tired.

    I have to agree. They literally have one job. There is no excuse for how long it takes them to make a script and begin production. 3 years is as long as it should take, although I would hesitate to have the series become the sausage machine that is Marvel, DC, and Star Wars. The transitions between Sean, George, Sean again, Roger, and Timothy were seamless. The 6 year GoldenEye gap was meant to be an anomaly, not the norm after every film.
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    Personally, though the general public audience would freak, I would enjoy a lower budgeted Bond film done at the level and style of FRWL.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Personally, though the general public audience would freak, I would enjoy a lower budgeted Bond film done at the level and style of FRWL.

    I’d love this too. I may be the only Bond fan in the world that wants a faithful adaption of Octopussy. :))
  • KOPKOP
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    ... EoN will have to sell up to cut their losses and the franchise will have a new owner come end of 2021

    What losses? EON get paid to make these movies, they don't pay for them.

  • QsCatQsCat London
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    Matt007 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I don’t think that would suit Bond; I can see it working for Indiana Jones but not Bond.

    What I’ve seen of the Queens gambit was very well realised period piece. I’d. Love to see Flemings bond get a similar treatment

    I'd like to see a period Bond series, which would be likelier to happen than a period film. There would be a few problems with this though.

    Would the series run alongside the film series? Would the same actor play Bond in both or would there be two Bonds?! Not seeing a way for both to coexist, I would probably prefer to have the films myself. Mulling all this over, I decided a series just wouldn't happen. BUT how about this-

    A series in between films which follows the characters of MI6- Q, Moneypenny, M and other Double 0's. Similar to Spooks in a way but perhaps less political/realistic, with the Bond.. mise en scene. Rather than a long-running series it could maybe have half a dozen episodes. This way-

    * The actors would be more likely/able to commit
    * Bond would be kept alive in the public consciousness, much in the same way that the olympic special and SNL appearences help to do the same.
    * The world around Bond could be fleshed-out and these secondary characters would not need the 'Scooby' style attention in the films. Bond himself would have more screen time in the films, where he could just be out on a mission, on his own.
    * It would be great for the fans.
    * Bond could even make an appearance!
    * It could be profitable for EoN

    As long as it didn't feel like an inferior, second rate, and lower budget Bond film -like the adverts, for instance- it could work! It all depends on how creative they can be. These really would be better as short series though, leaving the audience wanting more, rather than stringing it out and having the audience tire of Bond. Because, of course, one of the great things about new Bond films is the anticipation!

    When the films end (as they will have to and should one day) that would be the time to produce TV Mini Series adaptations of the books, similar to the Christie adaptations.

    What do you think guys?
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    KOP wrote: »
    Matt007 wrote: »
    ... EoN will have to sell up to cut their losses and the franchise will have a new owner come end of 2021

    What losses? EON get paid to make these movies, they don't pay for them.

    Exactly. They produce the films. MGM finances.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Personally, though the general public audience would freak, I would enjoy a lower budgeted Bond film done at the level and style of FRWL.

    I think it's doable: if you look at Skyfall it's not really packed with spectacle (or even action sequences!). It's just very stylish and looks and sounds beautiful, and has a bit of punch to the plot.
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