Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    The problem with adapting Maria Freudenstein, is that it means another MI6 mole so would be a bit derivative.
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    A mole in the organization ! That would be -- like the evil mastermind really is the hero's brother -- yet ANOTHER "borrowed item" from Austin Powers ! Oh, go ahead. I'm all in at this point. Go with it even more. The script already is written for the moment when Bond when realizes there's a mole: "Mole. Bloody mole. We aren't supposed to talk about the bloody mole, but there's a bloody mole winking me in the face. I want to c-u-u-t it off, ch-o-o-p it off, and make guacamole !"
    Furthermore, the mole -- as in Goldmember, would be working in the eeeevil organization of which the leader REALLY is the British secret agent's brother !
    Shall we have Bond follow Blofeld up a ladder while Blofeld suffers a wardrobe mishap ? "You know, Blofeld, I have always thought you were crazy, but now I can see your nuts !"
    Ah well,
    everything old is new again,
    there is nothing new under the sun,
    reduce, re-use, recycle...
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I welcome seeing more 50 year old Bond Girls, just so long as they aren't as underused as Monica Bellucci was. They got up on their soapbox, talking enough about it, and yet it was a tiny thankless role.

    Too many good actresses get cast aside when they hit a certain age. Given that Barabara claims to be a feminist, and is of a certain age herself, one would think that she might use Bond to help them out. I said in another thread fairly recently, that we don't see Diane Lane onscreen enough these days. Over to you, Barbara....

    I’ve been saying for a while now that Diane Lane should be in a Bond Film. As a villain, preferably, as she’s wanted to do that for a while now. A modern day Irma Bunt or Rosa Klebb, perhaps?

    I would rather she be cast as the main Bond girl, but I would settle for the main villain. Isabelle Huppert is another older actress I want to see cast as the main villain.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    With regard to using anything other than the title to TSWLM, Fleming sold film rights but for this book he conveyed only the title. It is true that the character Horror sure seems to have inspired Jaws (steel-toothed killer), but I think that without a specific, special and new agreement with the Ian Fleming Foundation and/or Fleming's heirs, using the content of TSWLM book is legally barred. My other point was -- Who would want to ? Really ? Most of the book is a memoir by V Michel. While it contained dramatic personal events in her life they really would not serve well for a Bond film. Then, when Bond does enter the story, it's a story of a couple small-time hoods terrorizing a couple people in a motel in the Northeastern US...THAT looks intriguing ? That would be a tv show or movie and a non-original one, at that. You get beyond that, to Bond-as-St. George-the-dragon-slayer and you're beyond TSWLM to a theme and plot device that's been used a number of times and can be found in a number of the books. Folks -- everything Ian Fleming wrote does not necessarily lend itself to a worthwhile theatrical production...

    Guess we agree to disagree then. Personally I would love a scene with 2 nasty gangsters about to get rough with a girl in a seedy motel, and Bond to appear out of nowhere to rescue the damsel in distress.

    It's absolutely fine, but it doesn't sound the most compelling or original idea for a scene. I couldn't get excited either way about the prospect of seeing it.

    Depends on how its done. Gangsters and Bond have occasionally crossed paths (GF, OHMSS, DAF, LTK, etc.) but if its done in a gripping, tense way it could work.

    Well sure, you could say that of any suggestion of an average scene concept though. I could say a scene of Bond doing some photocopying could be great and you'd be well within your rights to be sceptical, but it's only until Peter Hunt films Lazenby doing it in Gumbold's office and John Barry lays an amazing score on it that it actually becomes so.

    In principle the idea of Bond saving a woman from some attackers is... fine. I can't get excited about the concept behind it. If it were filmed incredibly well then great. Equally it could be filmed incredibly badly and the core concept wouldn't be enough to save it because it's not all that stunning.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Well EON better be planning on the next Bond films at least. Without Purvis and Wade, please, and a more planned schedule and overlapping storyline, if they plan to do one. Not MCU regular, but 2-3 years would be great. Also, I think Michael G. Wilson might retire after this one, as his health’s not good and his ideas aren’t paying off.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I kind of wonder if there are weird rules about that, like can they officially start work on the next one until ‘Bond 26 Ltd’ is set up and running? I’m sure they have all sorts of funny business rules!
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited October 2020 Posts: 2,342
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Well EON better be planning on the next Bond films at least. Without Purvis and Wade, please, and a more planned schedule and overlapping storyline, if they plan to do one. Not MCU regular, but 2-3 years would be great. Also, I think Michael G. Wilson might retire after this one, as his health’s not good and his ideas aren’t paying off.

    Yes, some good proposals you have made.

    And more Sharks no less ? :)>-
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    Risico007 wrote: »
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Truthful adaptation would mean the movies should be set in the 1950's? I don't think, I would like it. If so, we only would have 12 movies. And they will never do TSWLM, as Ian Fleming explicitly had it in the contract with Cubby and Harry, that they might use the title, but not use the novel as such (apparently Fleming disliked it). IMO one of the reasons, why we got 24 (25?) movies in 48 years, is, that they always made Bond a character for the present time. And they used material from the novels in the movies. Not the whole story, but elements of it (LTK).

    If you look at FYEO, LTK, OP, TLD and CR, all of these adapted Fleming faithfully to modern times (whether its scenes, short story or full novel story), so it can be done.

    As for TSWLM, Fleming has been dead a long time now, and I don't think its beyond the wit of man to start legal proceedings with the Fleming estate to use some of the content from that novel, and I doubt the Fleming estate would pass either, if it kept the memory of Ian alive (and maybe a nice wad of cash too). The only part really worth using is the second half of the book, with Viv Michel holed up in a seedy motel by gangsters, and rescued by Bond - but I think this would work well on screen.

    EON are no strangers to legal wranglings to use Fleming material. They've spent decades doing it, ever since TB.

    The issue here is The spy who loved me has already been adapted 3 times

    The title and the character of horror were done in 77
    The main action sequence from the novel was done note for note in for your eyes only
    And Paris always felt like a Vivine substitute (there are two subtle nods to the character the first being the gun under the pillow line the second being the whole Newspaper boy he told me he loved me thing)

    I would far prefer them tackle a novel that hasn’t been cut up and done three different times like Diamonds are forever or the short stories from a view to a Kill and the hildebrand rarity hell even octopussy could be updated and utilized for an interesting plot

    Where was the TSWLM action scene in FYEO? I don't recall gangsters in a remote motel roughing up a broad, and then Bond rescuing her in a shootout. I must have missed that?

    Agreed, DAF hasn't been properly done, nor AVTAK or OP.

    However Hildebrand has been done in LTK, split over 2 characters - Sanchez is that character, whip an' all, and then Milton Krest is name checked as another character (who also owns a boat).

    Shall I quote the passage the killers make their way toward bond in a car bond shoots the driver and car goes over the cliff and it was in both areas

    So a car chase and shoot out is now a direct adaptation of TSWLM? lol. Don't waste my time with crap like this.

    I never saw that as a direct adaptation of TSWLM whatsoever. Where is the seedy motel? The gangsters threatening rape. Bond knocking at the door seeing the vacancy sign? Viv beckoning Bond in, and then him exchanging dialogue with a couple of thugs once indise, knowing something is wrong.

    Weren't the two thugs sort of like Jaws and the bald guy?

    I also think the end of QoS was a bit inspired by TSWLM.

    Fleming knew what he was doing when he withheld the adaptation. But the man knew how to write a title. Trying to think of a comparable modern writer who introduced so many phrases to the vernacular. The many cultural riffs on FRWL alone...

    There are loose adaptations littered all over the films - MR>DAD, TMWTGG>LTK, SF>TMWTGG, MR>QOS, etc. Some more looser than others, when you really have to dig deep to look for similarities, such as the very loose ones mentioned above regarding TSWLM, when they could be nothing more than mere coincidences.

    But true adaptations are what we are looking for. FYEO directly takes the characters and plot from the Fleming shorts stories, plus a scene from LALD, OP directly adapts the same short story, as does TLD, and LTK directly adapts scenes from LALD.

    And CR also does so with the entire novel (updated to fit modern times, of course).

    The closest we have had to this in recent times is the torture scene in SP, which is pretty much a direct adaptation of the scene from Colonel Sun.

    I am sorry what version of cotopussy did you watch or read ...


    because the short story has NOTHING to do with Clowns and the circus or India etc

    Of course it doesn't. Where did I say it does? Bizarre.... :-S

    I was referring to the entire auction scene with the fabrege egg, even quoting `the property of a lady'.

    When I said OP, I meant the short story from the OP compilation novel - TPOAL. Sorry, maybe I should have been more specific to what I was referring to.

    ok where is Maria Fraudstien?

    It's actually Maria Freudenstein. And apart from her character name, the short story itself is fairly accurately adapted in the film, even using the title too as a reference.

    Or did you not realise that...?
  • iamurospiamurosp Belgrade, Serbia
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    If there was a vote between continuing with movies and making it into a "The Night Manager"/"Bodyguard"-like miniseries, I'd go for movies, but ... I do think a miniseries could work too!
    And as for adapting a novel (any novel) - I don't understand - if they can adapt other novels these days (50 shades, or Nicholas Sparks), why not Bond? Like an independent movie approach.. Why does it have to be HUGE ?! When I started reading the novels, I was surprised how much it differs from the movies and it would really be refreshing to see a Bond movie done that way, the true Bondness, cold and cool and with a healthy dose of male humour.. What's wrong with that?!
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    If they have a person in mind? They are not gonna say anything? Not until a vaccine is found for Covid19? As it is all too unpredictable where this crisis will take us? And also how long it will take to make that breakthrough?
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    The current crew of producers have a longer-than-usual amount of time to consider the next film well in advance. As for starting now and making it with Craig, that seems unlikely. Things reportedly said by persons involved indicate strongly that NTTD really...reallyreallyreallythistime will be Craig's last Bond film. So, it appears they can plan and outline a story and, perhaps, identify material not yet used or to be intentionally re-visited and, generally, look ahead with a long lead time. Certainly some of the films made prior to NTTD could have used more thinking and writing before going into production. This gives them time, then, to plan ahead more than seems to have been their usual practice and this should help them produce a high-quality story to be scripted, and for it to be scripted better, too.

    Staying with the theme of this set of posts -- ie, where next for Bond ? -- does anything think -- perhaps someone might have read ? -- that the Young Bond books may be filmed ? I've not read them all, nor have I read all the adult-Bond post-Fleming books, but from what I did read of both, I found the Young Bonds finer than some of the post-Fleming books about adult Bond. I think it would enjoyable were the Young Bond films produced in their own timeframe, which would make them period films, even if concurrent adult Bong films produced with stories set -- as usual -- in the present-day. I think the period Young Bonds could be produced as long-form television programs and be very interesting. This would mean the timelines simply would not match -- though they would match for the earlier Bond films. So what ? Nor am I suggesting any "alternate universe" nonsense. Simply put-- they would be stories, independent of each other. Sometimes S Holmes is presented as a period character, and sometimes in the present day of the date of production. You simply cannot have a Bond in the present day matching up, timewise, with Fleming's books. That was feasible in 1962 and for a while thereafter, but no longer. Again -- so what ? Never mind anything like "his name is passed on" (I think people now call it "the codename approach'). They're simply stories presented for entertainment. This is the same as the producers have done through the years when there was a change.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    edited October 2020 Posts: 395
    New actor with new standalone mission. That's it.
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    No more origin type stories.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    No more origin type stories.
    I think they will avoid doing that again. Not only because they've already tried that angle, but it seems Hollywood has moved past it all together. I still think they should take a note from The Batman, and go for a "younger" actor but not an origin story.
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    Very interesting angle ! In fact -- it's been taken recently in the two most recent Post-Fleming adult-Bond novels. Devil May Care by Sebastian Faulks fits in between previously known Bond stories, and is set in 1967. Forever and a Day by Anthony Horowitz describes Bond's First 00 assignment, and is set in 1950.
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    No more origin type stories.
    I think they will avoid doing that again. Not only because they've already tried that angle, but it seems Hollywood has moved past it all together. I still think they should take a note from The Batman, and go for a "younger" actor but not an origin story.

    Yes, totally.

    Also, what The Joker has shown us, and hints of the new Batman film, audiences are well tuned in now and very accepting of dark, grim, bleak storylines (probably even moreso after 2020).

    So a new Bond returning to the darker, harder, more brutal world of Fleming, rather than the BS escapist, OTT fantasy stuff is probably the direction EON will take with the next one (assuming we ever get to the next one).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I’d say that’s what we’ve got though really. The crater base stuff in Spectre was spot on Fleming in tone.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I'd describe most, if not all, of Fleming as pure fantasy anyway. Wasn't that what it was supposed to be? Granted, I don't think anyone wants a return to the invisible cars, floating icebergs, or the continuation of the hero and villain being siblings - but having just finished re-reading Moonraker yesterday, I don't think too many people would claim it as being a super-realistic spy story. It does have moments of tough violence and tension and threat of course, but rarely does Fleming lose sight of what James Bond plots are supposed to be: fun.


    I wouldn't call much of what went on in Joker fun, by comparison. :P
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Honestly I think No Time to Die is nailing what the tone should be - a mixture of both.
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Honestly I think No Time to Die is nailing what the tone should be - a mixture of both.

    We may find out....one day.
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    If covid has changed the world, EON should adapt and make the next Bond a TV series
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Honestly I think No Time to Die is nailing what the tone should be - a mixture of both.

    We may find out....one day.

    Hopefully...... :)]
  • Beyond the immediate problem posed by theatrical distribution, I think the immediate consequence for future movies will be a reduction in production costs, and Bond 26, regardless of its release date, won't be an exception. A budget like that of NTTD, around or even exceeding $250 million, is a thing of the past.

    When you see that Atomic Blonde only cost $30 million, it might not be so catastrophic. I suppose that Bond 26 will have a slightly higher budget (between $70 and $100 million maybe), but this reduction in costs seems to me necessary to continue to have a series of profitable theatrically released films. At the same time, such situation could allow a more sustained production rate.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited October 2020 Posts: 2,342
    Daniel Craig gives advice to next James Bond

    “Don’t f--k it up,” Craig bluntly said Monday during his appearance on “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon” when asked about advice for the next James Bond.

    Not very classy......... :(
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Daniel Craig gives advice to next James Bond

    “Don’t f--k it up,” Craig bluntly said Monday during his appearance on “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon” when asked about advice for the next James Bond.

    Not very classy......... :(

    Not wrong though, either.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    Posts: 2,342
    Daniel Craig gives advice to next James Bond

    “Don’t f--k it up,” Craig bluntly said Monday during his appearance on “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon” when asked about advice for the next James Bond.

    Not very classy......... :(

    Not wrong though, either.

    Right or wrong you would think he could come up with something more decent or witty as millions of people of all ages have seen that show or video clip and might be offended by it ?

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    Daniel Craig gives advice to next James Bond

    “Don’t f--k it up,” Craig bluntly said Monday during his appearance on “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon” when asked about advice for the next James Bond.

    Not very classy......... :(

    Not wrong though, either.

    Right or wrong you would think he could come up with something more decent or witty as millions of people of all ages have seen that show or video clip and might be offended by it ?

    if anyone gets offended by that, they need to grow a pair.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Daniel Craig gives advice to next James Bond

    “Don’t f--k it up,” Craig bluntly said Monday during his appearance on “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon” when asked about advice for the next James Bond.

    Not very classy......... :(

    Blunt. To the point. Funny. True. All in four little words.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,009
    Daniel Craig gives advice to next James Bond

    “Don’t f--k it up,” Craig bluntly said Monday during his appearance on “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon” when asked about advice for the next James Bond.

    Not very classy......... :(

    Not wrong though, either.

    Right or wrong you would think he could come up with something more decent or witty as millions of people of all ages have seen that show or video clip and might be offended by it ?

    I thought it was quite funny. I have the distinction of not having a stick planted firmly up my ass, though.
  • Agent_Zero_OneAgent_Zero_One Ireland
    edited October 2020 Posts: 554
    Daniel Craig gives advice to next James Bond

    “Don’t f--k it up,” Craig bluntly said Monday during his appearance on “The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon” when asked about advice for the next James Bond.

    Not very classy......... :(

    Not wrong though, either.

    Right or wrong you would think he could come up with something more decent or witty as millions of people of all ages have seen that show or video clip and might be offended by it ?

    I thought it was quite funny. I have the distinction of not having a stick planted firmly up my ass, though.
    I hope you're aware of how privileged you are, @CraigMooreOHMSS [-(
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