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And as for waiting for Craig - I mean I imagine it was either that or try and cast someone new which they knew would probably take them even longer, and delay Bond 25 even further. Also, all the delays have been for a good enough reason so I don't see any reason to get annoyed at them.
As for saying that once the film comes out none of this will matter, well, are you sure? I simply don't agree. I know we all have our opinions, and I have made mine clear on the matter regarding NTTD (happy to reiterate, but you're probably not interested).
Unless its really bad.
What I am saying is that, for this die hard Bond fan at least, NTTD doesn't look like it is going to be worth the wait. Worse, the gaps, enforced or not, are likely to put the long term future of the franchise at risk.
Saying that, I can't prove the latter. And am happy to be in the minority of fans who don't think it looks anything special. And I am happy for other Bond fans if they are excited.
Haha.
Sorry but i guess different strokes fro different folks is there anything from the craig era you liked?
I like that Craig took it seriously. CR might be my favourite. Certainly very near the top.
I think EON attempted to reinvent the character and wanted to invest the Craig era with real love. I applaud that attempt.
I think they went wrong for the following reasons;
They seem to have no real confidence in James Bond as a character - hence the constant introspection and apologies for who he is and what he represents. They over rely on big name directors and writers who quite frankly exhibit little love whatsoever for the franchise or character (Cary seems different here I will concede). They have given Craig way too much power, and relied on him too much to the extent we have had very long gaps between films. They have flirted way too much with ideas of Bond retiring, being over the hill etc, to the point that they have made the character appear redundant.
There are a thousand other things I simply don't like about the Craig films, but these are just my opinions on aesthetic choices and I accept that counts for little. I do believe that my reasons for where EON went wrong are correct, though. And that these reasons will harm the franchise irreparably.
However, I hope I am wrong on this last point, of course. And I will be delighted to come on here in the future and admit I was wrong.
I just don't see how the series can survive another 5 year gap where young fans don't get invested in the character.
With all that in mind, the answer to the these problems would be to cast someone quick, aim for a 2023, 2025, 2027 release of three films with an overarching story. Pick someone like Fassbender and he would still be young enough to do three films, is likely to be popular, and then rebuild again.
Wait too long and it'll be over. Analysis is paralysis, as they say.
I don't think Bond will be over. The franchise has hit a wall like this many times before, and will survive for years to come I'm sure. That might even be wishful thinking on my part, but I just don't feel the doom just yet.
Once No Time to Die is finally released, I think while personal opinions may stay the same, I think we can safely whatever happens, things will be clearer after that.
I like it!
In fairness, I think someone else on here suggested that first. I just liked the idea too.
Any later than 2023 then it's as good as dead. One film in ten years isn't going to cut it whatsoever. If the circumstances are out of their control then its just tough. Plenty of other things have fallen by the wayside once external forces affect them.
Basically, they aren't growing their fanbase. Young people aren't into James Bond in the same numbers. The only way to maintain a developing fanbase is to release films regularly that can compete with MI, Marvel, and F&F. If they don't do that then it's all over.
And let's face it, they haven't done that. And now they can't.
I don't think it would be. I think if it was the next instalment of Craig's run then maybe they'd find more problems, but as it'll be a matter of recasting the role with a new guy and breathing new life into the franchise, and it's well known by people that a process like this can take its time, that it'll be like any other casting break.
Also, realistically, if they have to release the film next year due to coronavirus, it means they'd already need to have cast and started filming Bond 26 within a year of No Time to Die's release to get it out in 2023, which is just setting them up for a loss.
Also that doesn't mean that this next era can't be more consistent after the first release, but they're gonna need an appropriate amount of time to set it all up, otherwise they will rush it and then they can't be consistent because they'll have to fixed rushed mistakes.
So, for example, if they don't get a film out till 2025/26, it's a while, but it also might mean theres more of a chance of getting another one in 2028/29, because they didn't rush for 2023.
Bond, like it or not, is reliant on families enjoying it, where people can take their kids, who then subsequently become lifelong fans. If there has been nearly ten years where the only one that gets released is SP and then a direct sequel released a full 6 years after, then what chance is there for new fans to get into it? Especially if they didn't like SP when they were a child. And I can't imagine any 12-15 year old, let alone an 8-12 year old, would have got anything out of SP, or even SF for that matter.
If the experience of my relatives is anything to go by, where there are several young lads who have grown up during the Craig era, and who love MI and F&F but are completely indifferent to Bond despite their parents loving it, then I think there is a problem.
Obviously none of us know, but I can't see how waiting another 5 years after NTTD is going to be anything other than a disaster. The best way out of it would be to capitalise on the hopeful success of NTTD as swiftly as possible. If it's a flop, then get back on the horse right away and go again.
Excuses are just excuses. If they don't want to make them quickly then I understand that. But there are possible repercussions for not doing so.
Well, yeah. I am possibly painting a black picture of the future. I just know that it is difficult to keep getting people's attention back, especially when the series has been usurped by other family oriented spy/action franchises. I will never totally love MI because I get nothing from the main character and don't like the team element, but I have to admit MI Fallout deserves its reputation. It's exactly the kind of film EON should have been aiming for in terms of excitement and spectacle. And I believe they are making the next two back to back? Nobody knows if they will be any good but if they can do it why can't EON?
I absolutely understand all of this is a difficult balance. It's one of the reasons we get the different iterations of Bond that can try to please everyone - books, old books, comics, games, films. But the films are the flagship. Everything else should follow.
And despite your argument, I firmly believe that the best way back and out of this mess (and it is a mess, regardless of whether EON are 100% at fault or not), is to make another film quickly so as to stay in the race.
Glad you did. I feel for you that you've not yet been to see many Bond films at the cinema and experienced the excitement I used to feel. By the time I was 19 I had seen 7 of them at the pictures (all those that were released when I was growing up). I sincerely hope NTTD blows you away and gives you the memories I have.
(of course, some of the films I saw don't have good reputations among Bond fans now such as NSNA, but it didn't stop me loving every second when I was a child).
I think the issue (as such) is that whilst the Craig films aren't really mature, adult films, they're also not really films made for the whole family like most of the previous films were.
I was introduced to Bond just before Die Another Day came out (I was 9 at the time).
In this regard, their appeal to children compared to most of the previous films is limited because they don't seem to be made for as broad an audience as before.
Meanwhile.....Harris Dickinson Rises. Once The King's Man comes out, he'll be the new favourite.
Cavill can act, he’s just not the best Hollywood can offer. He has star quality though.
Craig’s a brilliant actor and a great Bond. But he’s only made one exceptional Bond film with CR.
The debut films are always decent (I know I criticise GE, but it’s still Brosnan’s best by far), so I’m looking forward to the next after NTTD.
The problem is, at present, there is no obvious successor.
Where does the story that he had to be persuaded to come back come from? I'm not aware of that.
I don't think anyone would forget it if it did take ten years. It took 50 odd years to get an Iron Man film made and that seemed to go alright. M:I was taking five years between installments.
They're on telly quite often. There's two on ITV this weekend.
Dunno. Just responding to what the previous poster said. Either way it's bad, right? They either had to persuade him, in which case fuck him. Or they waited years for him to decide to do it or free himself up from his other contracts, in which case they need to have a long look in the mirror.
Just opinions, even if you forgot to phrase them as such. Many would say Craig has made two exceptional Bond films.