Do you have any concerns or niggles about NTTD ,or are you full of confidence ?

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  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I also would much rather the Bond Girl fade out during the bulk of the third act (at least in terms of conflict and final confrontation with the villain, not story; in other words, I'm not a big fan of the Bond Girl getting in on the action, though there have been some notable exceptions that have worked, ie. Aki). It's just how I honestly prefer my Bond films, regardless of any labels which may be attached to me for that preference.

    @Birdleson I think what you are trying to say is women being more feminine which becomes a little tricky while they are in action. Characters like Aki are exceptions. Severine and Solange are the only one's we had in Craig Era.
  • RC7RC7
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I also would much rather the Bond Girl fade out during the bulk of the third act (at least in terms of conflict and final confrontation with the villain, not story; in other words, I'm not a big fan of the Bond Girl getting in on the action, though there have been some notable exceptions that have worked, ie. Aki). It's just how I honestly prefer my Bond films, regardless of any labels which may be attached to me for that preference.

    That would be my preference too in all honesty. Whether it was a female/male ally I’m not fussed, but I do always prefer the idea of Bond and the villain Mano e Mano.

    If they temper Nomi’s involvement in the finale I would certainly prefer that. It’s the ‘team’ vs. ‘villain‘ scenario I don’t particularly care for. Not to say it doesn’t work, or that it can’t have an impact, but It’s got to be about Bond first and foremost.

    DAD plays out poorly in the final third for me because Jinx is completely unnecessary, she does nothing to push the story forward. The whole idea is actively focussed on the idea of a ‘female equal’, as you say, and I genuinely think they will have learnt their lesson this time around.
  • Posts: 3,275
    peter wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    Does Bond work alone in the books? Does he really?

    Better ask Felix...

    .... and Quarrel, Kerim, Tiger, Marc-Ange, even some of the Bond girls in the books are allies who partner with Bond, like Tiffany, Vesper (although that didn't work out so well), Kissy, Gala...

    You forgot Mathis too.

    The important thing to note here is, Bond predominantly is on his own throughout most of the novels, but occasional help does come to him from time-to-time, in the shape of characters mentioned above. But for most part, he works on his own.

    And he certainly doesn't get help from M, Q or Moneypenny in the field either, other than a telegram or phone call.

  • 00Agent wrote: »

    While i'm not as much of a purist when it comes to the movies, and I don't even think that Connery captured Flemings Bond that well, i definitly do agree with everythin you said on Terence Young. That guy was a master, and as much responisble for creating The Bond Movie phenomenon as Connery. Impecable style and instincts. I don't even care as much for Connery's other films. Terence Young set the bar too high.

    Did Connery capture Fleming’s Bond or did Fleming morph to Connery’s Bond becomes the question ?
    PussyNoMore started this journey in ‘62 and as with many of his vintage it was DN the movie that kicked it off.
    Taking to the books immediately after that particular movie it was easy, despite Fleming’s visual descriptions of Bond - scant as they were - to imagine Connery as you read. Such was his power in the role.
    Taking distance from the impact of that movie it is clear that Fleming’s actual descriptions went firmly in the direction of himself. He endorsed this by making the Hoagy Carmichael comparison as Hoagy himself resembled Fleming. The fact that Fleming expressed a preference for David Niven served as yet another indication of this.


  • edited January 2020 Posts: 2,596
    RC7 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I also would much rather the Bond Girl fade out during the bulk of the third act (at least in terms of conflict and final confrontation with the villain, not story; in other words, I'm not a big fan of the Bond Girl getting in on the action, though there have been some notable exceptions that have worked, ie. Aki). It's just how I honestly prefer my Bond films, regardless of any labels which may be attached to me for that preference.

    That would be my preference too in all honesty. Whether it was a female/male ally I’m not fussed, but I do always prefer the idea of Bond and the villain Mano e Mano.

    If they temper Nomi’s involvement in the finale I would certainly prefer that. It’s the ‘team’ vs. ‘villain‘ scenario I don’t particularly care for. Not to say it doesn’t work, or that it can’t have an impact, but It’s got to be about Bond first and foremost.

    DAD plays out poorly in the final third for me because Jinx is completely unnecessary, she does nothing to push the story forward. The whole idea is actively focussed on the idea of a ‘female equal’, as you say, and I genuinely think they will have learnt their lesson this time around.

    I definitely agree.

    Yes, Bond predominantly works alone in the books with allies mostly in the first half of the books who help out here and there. There are some Bond girls who he helps in the second half who are not his physical equals. This is not the same. The movies are pretty much just one dimensional reflections of the literature anyway coupled with Hollywood’s unjustified desires to pander to this horrible overly PC world we live in today.

    Aside for Bond being half Scottish, half French Swiss and having Ursula in OHMSS, Fleming was never really influenced by the films.

    If No Time To Die is as fast paced as some of these contemporary Hollywood movies, then I won’t enjoy it much. I can just imagine them cutting back the Jamaica scenes when Bond is relaxing and doing what he loves, (the part I’m looking forward to the most) to the point where it’s pretty much just a blurry montage.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    Not too happy about changing the composer with the explanation of Romer's score being too 'out there'. Give me a well-balanced but experimental score over a safe choice any day.
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Not too happy about changing the composer with the explanation of Romer's score being too 'out there'. Give me a well-balanced but experimental score over a safe choice any day.

    But what does “well-balanced...experimental score” mean? It’s like saying “just make a good movie.” What example or standard are you using to judge the success of what you’re asking?
  • Since I don't want to bring negativity to other threads, I'm gonna post this here. -I'm probably not alone on this-

    The idea of Madeleine having a secret driving the plot just doesn't sit well with me. It feels like a trope at this point since Skyfall. M has a secret (SF), then Bond has a secret (SP), now Madeleine has a secret (NTTD). It's kinda soapy, not gonna lie.

    Maybe this is all a result of the success of Skyfall, but not in a good way (for me) so far. I could definitely be proven wrong by this element in NTTD, but I feel underwhelmed so far. I guess I just miss when a McGuffin or the villain's evil plan would drive the plot.

    Of course there's still the fact the synopsis mentioned a kidnapped scientist, but this doesn't seem to be a focus in the trailers at all. It's all about Madeleine's secret. Which means if that element doesn't work for me as an important part of the plot it could affect my enjoyment of the movie.

    The movie could still be a thrill ride from start to finish and make me forget this stuff, for sure. Nomi and Paloma look like great characters.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Since I don't want to bring negativity to other threads, I'm gonna post this here. -I'm probably not alone on this-

    The idea of Madeleine having a secret driving the plot just doesn't sit well with me. It feels like a trope at this point since Skyfall. M has a secret (SF), then Bond has a secret (SP), now Madeleine has a secret (NTTD). It's kinda soapy, not gonna lie.

    Maybe this is all a result of the success of Skyfall, but not in a good way (for me) so far. I could definitely be proven wrong by this element in NTTD, but I feel underwhelmed so far. I guess I just miss when a McGuffin or the villain's evil plan would drive the plot.

    Of course there's still the fact the synopsis mentioned a kidnapped scientist, but this doesn't seem to be a focus in the trailers at all. It's all about Madeleine's secret. Which means if that element doesn't work for me as an important part of the plot it could affect my enjoyment of the movie.

    The movie could still be a thrill ride from start to finish and make me forget this stuff, for sure. Nomi and Paloma look like great characters.

    Vesper had a secret in casino don't forget that.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    @FrankXavier All fair points mate, but you never know, you may find that the MacGuffin and the villain's plot drive more of the plot than we think. Yes we still have the involvement of Madelene Swann, but as we have no idea how that'll pan out either, you could be pleasantly surprised :) Again fair play though
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Miss Taro had a secret. So did Prof. Dent.
    Tatiana. Rosa. Grant.
    Tilly & Goldfinger.
    Largo, Fiona.
    Kissy had a secret......

    Maddy's "secret" will drive the emotional plot and the emotional stakes-- for her and Bond, and, likely, between Bond and Safin.

    There will be other layers to this story that will drive other plot points so, when we see the film in its entirety, I'm betting Maddy's secret was an important thread, but not the ONLY thread. If Funaga's other projects are anything to go by-- the man likes layers to his stories.

    This will be a busy film (the opposite to Spectre's sleepiness).
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2020 Posts: 5,838
    Yes @peter! A plot can have different layers and threads but at the end of the day it should be tied up in a nice bow haha, hopefully anyway haha :D
  • Posts: 3,275
    Since I don't want to bring negativity to other threads, I'm gonna post this here. -I'm probably not alone on this-

    The idea of Madeleine having a secret driving the plot just doesn't sit well with me. It feels like a trope at this point since Skyfall. M has a secret (SF), then Bond has a secret (SP), now Madeleine has a secret (NTTD). It's kinda soapy, not gonna lie.

    Maybe this is all a result of the success of Skyfall, but not in a good way (for me) so far. I could definitely be proven wrong by this element in NTTD, but I feel underwhelmed so far. I guess I just miss when a McGuffin or the villain's evil plan would drive the plot.

    Of course there's still the fact the synopsis mentioned a kidnapped scientist, but this doesn't seem to be a focus in the trailers at all. It's all about Madeleine's secret. Which means if that element doesn't work for me as an important part of the plot it could affect my enjoyment of the movie.

    The movie could still be a thrill ride from start to finish and make me forget this stuff, for sure. Nomi and Paloma look like great characters.

    This secret BS stems all the way back to GE. It's the hallmark of the Babs era. Ignore Fleming, focus on P&W new scripts with lots of hidden secrets, double-crossing and family personal angst...
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Since I don't want to bring negativity to other threads, I'm gonna post this here. -I'm probably not alone on this-

    The idea of Madeleine having a secret driving the plot just doesn't sit well with me. It feels like a trope at this point since Skyfall. M has a secret (SF), then Bond has a secret (SP), now Madeleine has a secret (NTTD). It's kinda soapy, not gonna lie.

    Maybe this is all a result of the success of Skyfall, but not in a good way (for me) so far. I could definitely be proven wrong by this element in NTTD, but I feel underwhelmed so far. I guess I just miss when a McGuffin or the villain's evil plan would drive the plot.

    Of course there's still the fact the synopsis mentioned a kidnapped scientist, but this doesn't seem to be a focus in the trailers at all. It's all about Madeleine's secret. Which means if that element doesn't work for me as an important part of the plot it could affect my enjoyment of the movie.

    The movie could still be a thrill ride from start to finish and make me forget this stuff, for sure. Nomi and Paloma look like great characters.

    Vesper had a secret in casino don't forget that.

    And Elvis had a secret in QOS.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Since I don't want to bring negativity to other threads, I'm gonna post this here. -I'm probably not alone on this-

    The idea of Madeleine having a secret driving the plot just doesn't sit well with me. It feels like a trope at this point since Skyfall. M has a secret (SF), then Bond has a secret (SP), now Madeleine has a secret (NTTD). It's kinda soapy, not gonna lie.

    Maybe this is all a result of the success of Skyfall, but not in a good way (for me) so far. I could definitely be proven wrong by this element in NTTD, but I feel underwhelmed so far. I guess I just miss when a McGuffin or the villain's evil plan would drive the plot.

    Of course there's still the fact the synopsis mentioned a kidnapped scientist, but this doesn't seem to be a focus in the trailers at all. It's all about Madeleine's secret. Which means if that element doesn't work for me as an important part of the plot it could affect my enjoyment of the movie.

    The movie could still be a thrill ride from start to finish and make me forget this stuff, for sure. Nomi and Paloma look like great characters.

    Vesper had a secret in casino don't forget that.

    And Elvis had a secret in QOS.

    He did? I barely remember him?
  • Posts: 6,673
    Since I don't want to bring negativity to other threads, I'm gonna post this here. -I'm probably not alone on this-

    The idea of Madeleine having a secret driving the plot just doesn't sit well with me. It feels like a trope at this point since Skyfall. M has a secret (SF), then Bond has a secret (SP), now Madeleine has a secret (NTTD). It's kinda soapy, not gonna lie.

    Maybe this is all a result of the success of Skyfall, but not in a good way (for me) so far. I could definitely be proven wrong by this element in NTTD, but I feel underwhelmed so far. I guess I just miss when a McGuffin or the villain's evil plan would drive the plot.

    Of course there's still the fact the synopsis mentioned a kidnapped scientist, but this doesn't seem to be a focus in the trailers at all. It's all about Madeleine's secret. Which means if that element doesn't work for me as an important part of the plot it could affect my enjoyment of the movie.

    The movie could still be a thrill ride from start to finish and make me forget this stuff, for sure. Nomi and Paloma look like great characters.

    This secret BS stems all the way back to GE. It's the hallmark of the Babs era. Ignore Fleming, focus on P&W new scripts with lots of hidden secrets, double-crossing and family personal angst...

    That's true. Damn P&W. I adore EON, but after all these years I have no love for them.

    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Since I don't want to bring negativity to other threads, I'm gonna post this here. -I'm probably not alone on this-

    The idea of Madeleine having a secret driving the plot just doesn't sit well with me. It feels like a trope at this point since Skyfall. M has a secret (SF), then Bond has a secret (SP), now Madeleine has a secret (NTTD). It's kinda soapy, not gonna lie.

    Maybe this is all a result of the success of Skyfall, but not in a good way (for me) so far. I could definitely be proven wrong by this element in NTTD, but I feel underwhelmed so far. I guess I just miss when a McGuffin or the villain's evil plan would drive the plot.

    Of course there's still the fact the synopsis mentioned a kidnapped scientist, but this doesn't seem to be a focus in the trailers at all. It's all about Madeleine's secret. Which means if that element doesn't work for me as an important part of the plot it could affect my enjoyment of the movie.

    The movie could still be a thrill ride from start to finish and make me forget this stuff, for sure. Nomi and Paloma look like great characters.

    Vesper had a secret in casino don't forget that.

    And Elvis had a secret in QOS.

    He had a toupee ;)
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Not necessarily more feminine, more of being wary. I really get turned off when a female character is thrust into the spotlight in action scene for what feels like is no other reason than EON’s desire to thrust a female character into the spotlight in an action scene. It all feels very agenda oriented.

    Thank you for posting this @Birdleson you put that much better than I could have and I feel the exact same way

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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Not necessarily more feminine, more of being wary. I really get turned off when a female character is thrust into the spotlight in action scene for what feels like is no other reason than EON’s desire to thrust a female character into the spotlight in an action scene. It all feels very agenda oriented.

    Thank you for posting this @Birdleson you put that much better than I could have and I feel the exact same way
    +1

    And all recent interviews seem to be of the two Bond gi...women. I mean, where are the Craig interviews? In 2006 and 2008 and even 2012 there were tons and tons of cinema magazines and online pages that interviewed him prior to the films. I want a Bond film. Not a Bond G...Women film. Damn it, this all feels very agenda oriented, like you say, @Birdleson. I really hope I'm wrong. I really want a Bond centric Daniel Craig film.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited February 2020 Posts: 5,185
    This promotion cycle has given me plenty of headaches i'm not gonna lie. Mostly due to the fact that we are focusing way too much on the women and their roles for whatever reason...

    I like women, i like plenty of women in my Bond films, there should be more women than guys, but it's the overemphazis on identity politics and all that BS which is grinding on my nerves...

    How are 70-80% of all female roles in the Bond films NOT representations of smart, badass and independent women?! Because they are. It's part of the appeal. Bond is not afraid of a challenge, and going after a super confident and hard to get woman is just more proof that he's the ultimate womanizer.

    But with that being said i 100% blame the media who is out for Blood and creating fake outrage and controversy in today's time, in order to keep their failing businesses afloat. Instead of EoN who are more focused on satisfying their customer base.

    I have read every NTTD interview (wish i didn't) and I can sometimes tell how the 'journalists' bring their own agenda into the discussion and probably even temper with the quotes provided by the actors to prove their own bias. It's all fake news.

    I just want to see the film already and make my own mind up, and be done with this crap.

    Just a couple more weeks to go.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2020 Posts: 5,838
    Exactly @00Agent, for example, I truly believe that what Lynch said about "periods" was a joke and ended up just being spun into a story about their actually being a scene of that in the movie. Ridiculous. Lynch is very aware of the backlash, so of course is gonna approach it with humour. i think most people would in her situation.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited February 2020 Posts: 5,185
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Exactly @00Agent, for example, I truly believe that what Lynch said about "periods" was a joke and ended up just being spun into a story about their actually being a scene of that in the movie. Ridiculous. Lynch is very aware of the backlash, so of course is gonna approach it with humour. i think most people would in her situation.
    Yeah i stopped taking everything that Lashana or Ana say literally, because at the end of the day they are hired guns and they just shot their first Bond film. What they did was all ready on the page and thats what they've been saying over and over.

    They might have opinions on this and that but those are pretty meaningless in the great scheme of things. The most important players are behind the camera.
  • Posts: 1,693
    Well..................... the last film from this production company just flopped at the box-office in a major way. That could worry some people about the success of their next release.
  • RC7RC7
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Well..................... the last film from this production company just flopped at the box-office in a major way. That could worry some people about the success of their next release.

    Or not.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    RC7 wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    Well..................... the last film from this production company just flopped at the box-office in a major way. That could worry some people about the success of their next release.

    Or not.

    Almost certainly not.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2020 Posts: 5,838
    I don't think most people even know The Rhythm Section is by the same people who do Bond. General audiences, anyway.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    I think if they did the result would have been the same.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    Posts: 5,185
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I don't think most people even know The Rhythm Section is by the same people who do Bond. General audiences, anyway.

    And even if they knew, this is an entirely different franchise with an entirely different appeal, no history and no proof of concept.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2020 Posts: 5,838
    00Agent wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I don't think most people even know The Rhythm Section is by the same people who do Bond. General audiences, anyway.

    And even if they knew, this is an entirely different franchise with an entirely different appeal, no history and no proof of concept.
    Exactly, which means no effect on No Time to Die.

    I think this film's gonna do very well indeed...

    They've got a lot of draws for a lot of people. Malek will bring in his own fans as will Ana de Armas. Lynch will also, but I think a lot of that will be based hype around her character rather than her fame, and obviously the film itself and good ol' Daniel Craig who will always be a draw to a lot of people.

    ...and let's not forget Fukunaga, Waller-Bridge, and Billie and Finneas. Not to mention just the scale of the franchise in general. The media tried it but I think this film surpass those doom and gloom that was spreading for a while.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    Posts: 5,185
    Denbigh wrote: »
    00Agent wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I don't think most people even know The Rhythm Section is by the same people who do Bond. General audiences, anyway.

    And even if they knew, this is an entirely different franchise with an entirely different appeal, no history and no proof of concept.
    Exactly, which means no effect on No Time to Die.

    I think this film's gonna do very well indeed...

    They've got a lot of draws for a lot of people. Malek will bring in his own fans as will Ana de Armas. Lynch will also, but I think a lot of that will be based hype around her character rather than her fame, and obviously the film itself and good ol' Daniel Craig who will always be a draw to a lot of people.

    ...and let's not forget Fukunaga, Waller-Bridge, and Billie and Finneas. Not to mention just the scale of the franchise in general. The media tried it but I think this film surpass those doom and gloom that was spreading for a while.

    I might be living in my own bubble here but i think the hype is very strong. The trailers were outstanding, and are still generating hype. Sure, there is the occassional "get woke, go broke" comment still under there, but in much smaller numbers than before. Compared to this the build up to Terminator DF was a clusterf***.

    And also the smartest thing EoN could have possibly done was keeping everything in mystery. No one knows what's going on in this film and that builds a ton of intrigue. I think this is the future of movie marketing, and not giving all your key scenes away in the first trailer.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Don't forget all the YouTubers are doing the marketing and promotion for EON by using "WOKE" too many times :)) .
    No wonder EON isn't making much effort in PR & marketing.
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