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  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
    Posts: 3,279
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Well I can see the Turner boys have shown up in droves again ;-)

    Anyway, I don't think anyone here would've said this guy could be Bond if they'd seen him like that:
    160335_small.jpg


    TO come back to Dalton: the examples given are exact extracts from the books. To me, he isn't that consistent. He's got quite a few very good scenes, but the balloon one when Saunders is killed? That's too much, definately not the cold professional the book Bond is when such a thing happens. The only time he does is when he goes to look at the charred remains of Quarrel.
    Allthough I like Dalton in the role, I think the Daltonites here are overstating his achievements a bit. Yes, he fits the descriptive standouts, and yes he's a decent actor, and yes he did quite a few scenes amazingly. At the smae time he dropped the ball just a tad too many times for my liking.

    The balloon scene is definitely a Fleming moment for me. Showing internal, barely concealed anger at times reminded me of the Fleming Bond, not the screen Bond.

    I felt in TLD he was still finding his way, and the script had hangover moments that would have fitted Moore better `amazing this modern safety glass', yet the film is littered with Fleming traits too, but LTK is where Dalton came into his own.

    To me, that film is the closest we have seen of Fleming Bond on screen.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 14,857
    talos7 wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    parkert5 wrote: »
    JeremyBondon wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Thanks @Resurrection & @JeremyBondon. We need another Dalton.

    Aidan Turner anyone........?

    Yeah, I have been rooting for him on mi6 (quite sure some of you noticed ;) ) since And Then There Were None. The guy was born to play the role, like f.e. Connery and Dalton. For this reason, there are many many factors that make a Bond, he is an obvious choice. In my opinion he is the sole heir, high up there, alone, to take over from Craig.

    We're definitely on the same page (by Fleming), @suavejmf

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    It still amazes me how anyone can't look at the above and see that "IS" James Bond.

    I like Turner but people could say that about Cavil too.

    But Turner has charisma and can act.

    True. And he has the voice for it. And the eyebrows. Don’t underestimate the importance of eyebrows, which Craig only has highlighted sometimes and they give him expression. The eyebrow is key. Connery had them in spades, Moore added movement to his, so did Pierce, and Dalton had a wolf’s dynamic expression. So I say Turner’s the man because of his better eyebrows.

    :) This can be a very silly discussion, even when discussing a most serious matter.

    Anyways, Eyebrows!
    Some may smirk and get a laugh at discussing eyebrows but their importance to a person’s look can’t be underestimated. Just look at Connery; for the role of Bond, quite a bit of attention was given to taming and shaping his brows, It was an important part of creating the character., Just look at them in DAF where they were left unattended.

    If you look at Craig throughout his tenure as Bond, he absolutely looks his best when he has visible brows. They really do add expression and are an invaluable tool for actors , with Moore taking it to an extreme. 😉
    Talking about eyebrows may seem silly but it’s no different than the countless other details that go into filmmaking and refining the image of a character.

    Given that the actors mentioned here almost all have beards or stubble, and often also have long hair, any of them if cast would need serious trimming. Bond is not a hipster.
  • bondsumbondsum
    Posts: 3,333
    Univex wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Well I can see the Turner boys have shown up in droves again ;-)

    Hey, when you say "Turner boys" it's because you know there's lots and lots of us, right?

    :-D
    And yes, I am a proud Daltonite.
    Yes indeed, @CommanderRoss is clearly trying to use it as some sort of putdown to bait us. The reason why I gravitated toward Turner was due to his strong voice, Celtic looks, and acting capabilities—all attributes that I consider necessary for making a great Bond. Secondly, we also know that he appeals to the ladies due to his Poldark success. The fact that Turner's not part of any existing cinematic universe or franchises also helps cement him in first place for me. Yes, I know we'll most likely be disappointed with the final outcome, but that won't stop us hoping for the best until proven otherwise.
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,677
    bondsum wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Well I can see the Turner boys have shown up in droves again ;-)

    Hey, when you say "Turner boys" it's because you know there's lots and lots of us, right?

    :-D
    And yes, I am a proud Daltonite.
    Yes indeed, @CommanderRoss is clearly trying to use it as some sort of putdown to bait us. The reason why I gravitated toward Turner was due to his strong voice, Celtic looks, and acting capabilities—all attributes that I consider necessary for making a great Bond. Secondly, we also know that he appeals to the ladies due to his Poldark success. The fact that Turner's not part of any existing cinematic universe or franchises also helps cement him in first place for me. Yes, I know we'll most likely be disappointed with the final outcome, but that won't stop us hoping for the best until proven otherwise.

    Exactly, very well said, @bondsum.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Well I can see the Turner boys have shown up in droves again ;-)

    Anyway, I don't think anyone here would've said this guy could be Bond if they'd seen him like that:
    160335_small.jpg


    TO come back to Dalton: the examples given are exact extracts from the books. To me, he isn't that consistent. He's got quite a few very good scenes, but the balloon one when Saunders is killed? That's too much, definately not the cold professional the book Bond is when such a thing happens. The only time he does is when he goes to look at the charred remains of Quarrel.
    Allthough I like Dalton in the role, I think the Daltonites here are overstating his achievements a bit. Yes, he fits the descriptive standouts, and yes he's a decent actor, and yes he did quite a few scenes amazingly. At the smae time he dropped the ball just a tad too many times for my liking.

    The balloon scene is definitely a Fleming moment for me. Showing internal, barely concealed anger at times reminded me of the Fleming Bond, not the screen Bond.

    I felt in TLD he was still finding his way, and the script had hangover moments that would have fitted Moore better `amazing this modern safety glass', yet the film is littered with Fleming traits too, but LTK is where Dalton came into his own.

    To me, that film is the closest we have seen of Fleming Bond on screen.

    His portrayal yes but the accompanying film never matched it, like I said it is wildly all over the place.

    LTK is one of the most jarring messes of the series due to it not committing to its tone. I personally find that QOS is a much more successful version of this revenge type Bond gone rogue idea.

    LTK has its moments and Dalton shines but you kind of wish they'd have fitted his portrayal consistently rather than still having hangovers from the Moore years.

    Brosnan for all his faults got the films that matched his abilities, although GE would have been incredibly interesting with Dalton in the role.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
    Posts: 3,279
    Shardlake wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Well I can see the Turner boys have shown up in droves again ;-)

    Anyway, I don't think anyone here would've said this guy could be Bond if they'd seen him like that:
    160335_small.jpg


    TO come back to Dalton: the examples given are exact extracts from the books. To me, he isn't that consistent. He's got quite a few very good scenes, but the balloon one when Saunders is killed? That's too much, definately not the cold professional the book Bond is when such a thing happens. The only time he does is when he goes to look at the charred remains of Quarrel.
    Allthough I like Dalton in the role, I think the Daltonites here are overstating his achievements a bit. Yes, he fits the descriptive standouts, and yes he's a decent actor, and yes he did quite a few scenes amazingly. At the smae time he dropped the ball just a tad too many times for my liking.

    The balloon scene is definitely a Fleming moment for me. Showing internal, barely concealed anger at times reminded me of the Fleming Bond, not the screen Bond.

    I felt in TLD he was still finding his way, and the script had hangover moments that would have fitted Moore better `amazing this modern safety glass', yet the film is littered with Fleming traits too, but LTK is where Dalton came into his own.

    To me, that film is the closest we have seen of Fleming Bond on screen.

    His portrayal yes but the accompanying film never matched it, like I said it is wildly all over the place.

    LTK is one of the most jarring messes of the series due to it not committing to its tone. I personally find that QOS is a much more successful version of this revenge type Bond gone rogue idea.

    LTK has its moments and Dalton shines but you kind of wish they'd have fitted his portrayal consistently rather than still having hangovers from the Moore years.

    Brosnan for all his faults got the films that matched his abilities, although GE would have been incredibly interesting with Dalton in the role.

    Other than the scenes with Q, I don't find LTK an inconsistent mess at all. Those scenes were only added to give the film some much needed comedy relief, as the film was seen as too dark for the time (nowadays it would be fine, and the Q scenes could be removed entirely). LTK is in my top 5 films.

    I find Dalton far stronger in the role than he was in TLD.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,528
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Well I can see the Turner boys have shown up in droves again ;-)

    Anyway, I don't think anyone here would've said this guy could be Bond if they'd seen him like that:
    160335_small.jpg


    TO come back to Dalton: the examples given are exact extracts from the books. To me, he isn't that consistent. He's got quite a few very good scenes, but the balloon one when Saunders is killed? That's too much, definately not the cold professional the book Bond is when such a thing happens. The only time he does is when he goes to look at the charred remains of Quarrel.
    Allthough I like Dalton in the role, I think the Daltonites here are overstating his achievements a bit. Yes, he fits the descriptive standouts, and yes he's a decent actor, and yes he did quite a few scenes amazingly. At the smae time he dropped the ball just a tad too many times for my liking.


    "James Bond, No not James Bond"
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
    Posts: 7,571
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Well I can see the Turner boys have shown up in droves again ;-)

    Anyway, I don't think anyone here would've said this guy could be Bond if they'd seen him like that:
    160335_small.jpg


    TO come back to Dalton: the examples given are exact extracts from the books. To me, he isn't that consistent. He's got quite a few very good scenes, but the balloon one when Saunders is killed? That's too much, definately not the cold professional the book Bond is when such a thing happens. The only time he does is when he goes to look at the charred remains of Quarrel.
    Allthough I like Dalton in the role, I think the Daltonites here are overstating his achievements a bit. Yes, he fits the descriptive standouts, and yes he's a decent actor, and yes he did quite a few scenes amazingly. At the smae time he dropped the ball just a tad too many times for my liking.
    You know, I'm in a minority of one here I accept that, but... I don't think he is a decent actor. Not a decent film actor anyway. He never lets the camera do the work, he mugs and pulls faces and swivels his eyes as if he were on stage. Sometimes, like when he is following Kara on the tram, he is very, very good. But too often he is simply over acting. In the scene where he first meets Sanchez he employs the whole A-Z of facial expressions. I can imagine Connery doing it and everything being there on screen in the twitch of an eye.
    Just me I know, so I accept I must be wrong here, but it's how I see it.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Well I can see the Turner boys have shown up in droves again ;-)

    Anyway, I don't think anyone here would've said this guy could be Bond if they'd seen him like that:
    160335_small.jpg


    TO come back to Dalton: the examples given are exact extracts from the books. To me, he isn't that consistent. He's got quite a few very good scenes, but the balloon one when Saunders is killed? That's too much, definately not the cold professional the book Bond is when such a thing happens. The only time he does is when he goes to look at the charred remains of Quarrel.
    Allthough I like Dalton in the role, I think the Daltonites here are overstating his achievements a bit. Yes, he fits the descriptive standouts, and yes he's a decent actor, and yes he did quite a few scenes amazingly. At the smae time he dropped the ball just a tad too many times for my liking.

    The balloon scene is definitely a Fleming moment for me. Showing internal, barely concealed anger at times reminded me of the Fleming Bond, not the screen Bond.

    I felt in TLD he was still finding his way, and the script had hangover moments that would have fitted Moore better `amazing this modern safety glass', yet the film is littered with Fleming traits too, but LTK is where Dalton came into his own.

    To me, that film is the closest we have seen of Fleming Bond on screen.

    His portrayal yes but the accompanying film never matched it, like I said it is wildly all over the place.

    LTK is one of the most jarring messes of the series due to it not committing to its tone. I personally find that QOS is a much more successful version of this revenge type Bond gone rogue idea.

    LTK has its moments and Dalton shines but you kind of wish they'd have fitted his portrayal consistently rather than still having hangovers from the Moore years.

    Brosnan for all his faults got the films that matched his abilities, although GE would have been incredibly interesting with Dalton in the role.

    Other than the scenes with Q, I don't find LTK an inconsistent mess at all. Those scenes were only added to give the film some much needed comedy relief, as the film was seen as too dark for the time (nowadays it would be fine, and the Q scenes could be removed entirely). LTK is in my top 5 films.

    I find Dalton far stronger in the role than he was in TLD.

    Cheesy bar fight, winking fish and Felix looking well and truly over his Bride's viscous murder by the end the tone is consistent throughout is it?

    I think some dead pan humour would have been enough not Q in the field with that absurd bag of tricks.

    Dalton never got the entry to truly showcase his take on the character, his 2 films were more like a showcase of great moments.

    Also I'll agree @NicNac as much as I like Dalton he lacks confidence as lead actor, he just doesn't own his scenes like Connery does or Craig, cinema is not his natural habitat, he has got better as time as gone on, compare that with his performance in Hot Fuzz, he seems more relaxed and at ease.

    Like Craig or don't but from the moment you see him in that Dryden scene in the PTS in CR he totally looks the essence of confidence.

    I'd argue only him and Connery came out the gate, even Roger never nailed his portrayal till SWLM and seemed preoccupied with not copying Connery and in a process of getting where he needed to be.

    I think if Dalton had have got his third and they'd have written a script that was suitable to his take rather than insisting on sticking Mooreisms in still, clearly not his strength. If they'd have furnished him with the consistent material that showcased his Fleming heavy take on the character he most likely would have delivered his classic of the series.

    We see what happens when a Bond actor with a method and version of the character that suits him is then forced to try and be something he isn't comfortable is and we only need to look back to 2015 to see the results of that.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
    edited January 2020 Posts: 3,279
    Shardlake wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Well I can see the Turner boys have shown up in droves again ;-)

    Anyway, I don't think anyone here would've said this guy could be Bond if they'd seen him like that:
    160335_small.jpg


    TO come back to Dalton: the examples given are exact extracts from the books. To me, he isn't that consistent. He's got quite a few very good scenes, but the balloon one when Saunders is killed? That's too much, definately not the cold professional the book Bond is when such a thing happens. The only time he does is when he goes to look at the charred remains of Quarrel.
    Allthough I like Dalton in the role, I think the Daltonites here are overstating his achievements a bit. Yes, he fits the descriptive standouts, and yes he's a decent actor, and yes he did quite a few scenes amazingly. At the smae time he dropped the ball just a tad too many times for my liking.

    The balloon scene is definitely a Fleming moment for me. Showing internal, barely concealed anger at times reminded me of the Fleming Bond, not the screen Bond.

    I felt in TLD he was still finding his way, and the script had hangover moments that would have fitted Moore better `amazing this modern safety glass', yet the film is littered with Fleming traits too, but LTK is where Dalton came into his own.

    To me, that film is the closest we have seen of Fleming Bond on screen.

    His portrayal yes but the accompanying film never matched it, like I said it is wildly all over the place.

    LTK is one of the most jarring messes of the series due to it not committing to its tone. I personally find that QOS is a much more successful version of this revenge type Bond gone rogue idea.

    LTK has its moments and Dalton shines but you kind of wish they'd have fitted his portrayal consistently rather than still having hangovers from the Moore years.

    Brosnan for all his faults got the films that matched his abilities, although GE would have been incredibly interesting with Dalton in the role.

    Other than the scenes with Q, I don't find LTK an inconsistent mess at all. Those scenes were only added to give the film some much needed comedy relief, as the film was seen as too dark for the time (nowadays it would be fine, and the Q scenes could be removed entirely). LTK is in my top 5 films.

    I find Dalton far stronger in the role than he was in TLD.

    Cheesy bar fight, winking fish and Felix looking well and truly over his Bride's viscous murder by the end the tone is consistent throughout is it?

    Also I'll agree @NicNac as much as I like Dalton he lacks confidence as lead actor, he just doesn't own his scenes like Connery does or Craig, cinema is not his natural habitat, he has got better as time as gone on, compare that with his performance in Hot Fuzz, he seems more relaxed and at ease.

    I think if Dalton had have got his third and they'd have written a script that was suitable to his take rather than insisting on sticking Mooreisms in still, clearly not his strength. If they'd have furnished him with the consistent material that showcased his Fleming heavy take on the character he most likely would have delivered his classic of the series.

    .

    Cheese bar fight I can live with. It isn't that bad (there are far worse moments in Bond movies), the winking fish is tagged on right at the end in a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment, again hardly detracts from the film, and Felix's final scene appears very briefly at the end of the movie just to let the audience know he survived.

    None of that is enough to criticise an otherwise flawless film, IMO. And I agree with you that had Dalton done a third, he really would have grown confidently into the part.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited January 2020 Posts: 1,318
    NicNac wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Well I can see the Turner boys have shown up in droves again ;-)

    Anyway, I don't think anyone here would've said this guy could be Bond if they'd seen him like that:
    160335_small.jpg


    TO come back to Dalton: the examples given are exact extracts from the books. To me, he isn't that consistent. He's got quite a few very good scenes, but the balloon one when Saunders is killed? That's too much, definately not the cold professional the book Bond is when such a thing happens. The only time he does is when he goes to look at the charred remains of Quarrel.
    Allthough I like Dalton in the role, I think the Daltonites here are overstating his achievements a bit. Yes, he fits the descriptive standouts, and yes he's a decent actor, and yes he did quite a few scenes amazingly. At the smae time he dropped the ball just a tad too many times for my liking.
    You know, I'm in a minority of one here I accept that, but... I don't think he is a decent actor. Not a decent film actor anyway. He never lets the camera do the work, he mugs and pulls faces and swivels his eyes as if he were on stage. Sometimes, like when he is following Kara on the tram, he is very, very good. But too often he is simply over acting. In the scene where he first meets Sanchez he employs the whole A-Z of facial expressions. I can imagine Connery doing it and everything being there on screen in the twitch of an eye.
    Just me I know, so I accept I must be wrong here, but it's how I see it.

    I wouldn't call his acting overacting. Dalts his intensity along with his broader range of emotive acting makes Bond more human, and perhaps less of a cool uber charismatic man's man. I have always found him to be the most sensitive Bond, particularly his range of emotions. An acquired taste rather than it being 'wrong' or a less decent actor than the others, just different.

    Per usual I highly disagree with everything @Shardlake has stated, but that's okay. Opinions vary. Agree with @jetsetwilly
  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
    Posts: 349

    https://variety.com/2020/film/features/james-bond-no-time-to-die-barbara-broccoli-michael-wilson-1203466601/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


    Really interesting article that briefly touches upon a time when BB thought Daniel Craig wasn't going to return. I think we'll be in for a long wait when he's done. Plus, the usual suspects will not be on the cards. Something changed with Craig's casting. Fanboy wishlist Bonds are not on Eon's radar. Expect the unexpected.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
    edited January 2020 Posts: 3,279
    JeremyBondon wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Well I can see the Turner boys have shown up in droves again ;-)

    Anyway, I don't think anyone here would've said this guy could be Bond if they'd seen him like that:
    160335_small.jpg


    TO come back to Dalton: the examples given are exact extracts from the books. To me, he isn't that consistent. He's got quite a few very good scenes, but the balloon one when Saunders is killed? That's too much, definately not the cold professional the book Bond is when such a thing happens. The only time he does is when he goes to look at the charred remains of Quarrel.
    Allthough I like Dalton in the role, I think the Daltonites here are overstating his achievements a bit. Yes, he fits the descriptive standouts, and yes he's a decent actor, and yes he did quite a few scenes amazingly. At the smae time he dropped the ball just a tad too many times for my liking.
    You know, I'm in a minority of one here I accept that, but... I don't think he is a decent actor. Not a decent film actor anyway. He never lets the camera do the work, he mugs and pulls faces and swivels his eyes as if he were on stage. Sometimes, like when he is following Kara on the tram, he is very, very good. But too often he is simply over acting. In the scene where he first meets Sanchez he employs the whole A-Z of facial expressions. I can imagine Connery doing it and everything being there on screen in the twitch of an eye.
    Just me I know, so I accept I must be wrong here, but it's how I see it.

    I wouldn't call his acting overacting. Dalts his intensity along with his broader range of emotive acting makes Bond more human, and perhaps less of a cool uber charismatic man's man. I have always found him to be the most sensitive Bond, particularly his range of emotions. An acquired taste rather than it being 'wrong' or a less decent actor than the others, just different.

    Per usual I highly disagree with everything @Shardlake has stated, but that's okay. Opinions vary. Agree with @jetsetwilly

    It's the small things I like with Dalton - the quick cautionary glance when Killifer punches him on the arm on first greeting him at the wedding, his sudden eruption into controlled laughter when he meets Sanchez in the casino, the way he says `I'm more a problem eliminator' with an edge of menace, the whispered `watch the birdie, you bastard', the weary sigh after the truck ordeal and setting fire to Sanchez, the way he briefly pauses and reflects on what he has been told, when asking `why me', when about to shoot the KGB sniper, and then being informed that he is the best, so continues on, satisfied by the response to the question.

    All of these tiny moments showed Dalton really got under the skin of the character, and understood exactly what made the Fleming Bond tick, far more than any other actor (yes, including Craig).
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Well I can see the Turner boys have shown up in droves again ;-)

    Anyway, I don't think anyone here would've said this guy could be Bond if they'd seen him like that:
    160335_small.jpg


    TO come back to Dalton: the examples given are exact extracts from the books. To me, he isn't that consistent. He's got quite a few very good scenes, but the balloon one when Saunders is killed? That's too much, definately not the cold professional the book Bond is when such a thing happens. The only time he does is when he goes to look at the charred remains of Quarrel.
    Allthough I like Dalton in the role, I think the Daltonites here are overstating his achievements a bit. Yes, he fits the descriptive standouts, and yes he's a decent actor, and yes he did quite a few scenes amazingly. At the smae time he dropped the ball just a tad too many times for my liking.

    The balloon scene is definitely a Fleming moment for me. Showing internal, barely concealed anger at times reminded me of the Fleming Bond, not the screen Bond.

    I felt in TLD he was still finding his way, and the script had hangover moments that would have fitted Moore better `amazing this modern safety glass', yet the film is littered with Fleming traits too, but LTK is where Dalton came into his own.

    To me, that film is the closest we have seen of Fleming Bond on screen.

    His portrayal yes but the accompanying film never matched it, like I said it is wildly all over the place.

    LTK is one of the most jarring messes of the series due to it not committing to its tone. I personally find that QOS is a much more successful version of this revenge type Bond gone rogue idea.

    LTK has its moments and Dalton shines but you kind of wish they'd have fitted his portrayal consistently rather than still having hangovers from the Moore years.

    Brosnan for all his faults got the films that matched his abilities, although GE would have been incredibly interesting with Dalton in the role.

    Other than the scenes with Q, I don't find LTK an inconsistent mess at all. Those scenes were only added to give the film some much needed comedy relief, as the film was seen as too dark for the time (nowadays it would be fine, and the Q scenes could be removed entirely). LTK is in my top 5 films.

    I find Dalton far stronger in the role than he was in TLD.

    Cheesy bar fight, winking fish and Felix looking well and truly over his Bride's viscous murder by the end the tone is consistent throughout is it?

    Also I'll agree @NicNac as much as I like Dalton he lacks confidence as lead actor, he just doesn't own his scenes like Connery does or Craig, cinema is not his natural habitat, he has got better as time as gone on, compare that with his performance in Hot Fuzz, he seems more relaxed and at ease.

    I think if Dalton had have got his third and they'd have written a script that was suitable to his take rather than insisting on sticking Mooreisms in still, clearly not his strength. If they'd have furnished him with the consistent material that showcased his Fleming heavy take on the character he most likely would have delivered his classic of the series.

    .

    Cheese bar fight I can live with. It isn't that bad (there are far worse moments in Bond movies), the winking fish is tagged on right at the end in a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment, again hardly detracts from the film, and Felix's final scene appears very briefly at the end of the movie just to let the audience know he survived.

    None of that is enough to criticise an otherwise flawless film, IMO. And I agree with you that had Dalton done a third, he really would have grown confidently into the part.

    I wouldn't even call OHMSS or CR near flawless, LTK you are being serious here?
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
    Posts: 3,279
    Shardlake wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    CommanderRoss wrote: »
    Well I can see the Turner boys have shown up in droves again ;-)

    Anyway, I don't think anyone here would've said this guy could be Bond if they'd seen him like that:
    160335_small.jpg


    TO come back to Dalton: the examples given are exact extracts from the books. To me, he isn't that consistent. He's got quite a few very good scenes, but the balloon one when Saunders is killed? That's too much, definately not the cold professional the book Bond is when such a thing happens. The only time he does is when he goes to look at the charred remains of Quarrel.
    Allthough I like Dalton in the role, I think the Daltonites here are overstating his achievements a bit. Yes, he fits the descriptive standouts, and yes he's a decent actor, and yes he did quite a few scenes amazingly. At the smae time he dropped the ball just a tad too many times for my liking.

    The balloon scene is definitely a Fleming moment for me. Showing internal, barely concealed anger at times reminded me of the Fleming Bond, not the screen Bond.

    I felt in TLD he was still finding his way, and the script had hangover moments that would have fitted Moore better `amazing this modern safety glass', yet the film is littered with Fleming traits too, but LTK is where Dalton came into his own.

    To me, that film is the closest we have seen of Fleming Bond on screen.

    His portrayal yes but the accompanying film never matched it, like I said it is wildly all over the place.

    LTK is one of the most jarring messes of the series due to it not committing to its tone. I personally find that QOS is a much more successful version of this revenge type Bond gone rogue idea.

    LTK has its moments and Dalton shines but you kind of wish they'd have fitted his portrayal consistently rather than still having hangovers from the Moore years.

    Brosnan for all his faults got the films that matched his abilities, although GE would have been incredibly interesting with Dalton in the role.

    Other than the scenes with Q, I don't find LTK an inconsistent mess at all. Those scenes were only added to give the film some much needed comedy relief, as the film was seen as too dark for the time (nowadays it would be fine, and the Q scenes could be removed entirely). LTK is in my top 5 films.

    I find Dalton far stronger in the role than he was in TLD.

    Cheesy bar fight, winking fish and Felix looking well and truly over his Bride's viscous murder by the end the tone is consistent throughout is it?

    Also I'll agree @NicNac as much as I like Dalton he lacks confidence as lead actor, he just doesn't own his scenes like Connery does or Craig, cinema is not his natural habitat, he has got better as time as gone on, compare that with his performance in Hot Fuzz, he seems more relaxed and at ease.

    I think if Dalton had have got his third and they'd have written a script that was suitable to his take rather than insisting on sticking Mooreisms in still, clearly not his strength. If they'd have furnished him with the consistent material that showcased his Fleming heavy take on the character he most likely would have delivered his classic of the series.

    .

    Cheese bar fight I can live with. It isn't that bad (there are far worse moments in Bond movies), the winking fish is tagged on right at the end in a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment, again hardly detracts from the film, and Felix's final scene appears very briefly at the end of the movie just to let the audience know he survived.

    None of that is enough to criticise an otherwise flawless film, IMO. And I agree with you that had Dalton done a third, he really would have grown confidently into the part.

    I wouldn't even call OHMSS or CR near flawless, LTK you are being serious here?

    OHMSS is not flawless, but I still love it - speeding up fights, silly overdubbed Hillary Bray voice, Tracey being kidnapped, etc. This stops it from being perfect.

    CR is nearly perfect - Vesper suicide scene is not as dramatic enough as the way Bond discovers her in the book, regardless of all the OTT action fest Venice sinking house and underwater lift shenanigans surrounding it.

    LTK is nearly perfect. Get rid of the Kamen music and stick in John Barry instead, and it would be a perfect 10/10, yes even with the Q light relief interlude, and cheesy bar fight scene.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    “He can be of any color, but he is male,” says Broccoli.

    Oh babs, don't be silly. Spare us the 'wokeness'. After SPECTRE we might as well name the next one or the one after that WOKE.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,009
    JeremyBondon wrote: »
    “He can be of any color, but he is male,” says Broccoli.

    Oh babs, don't be silly. Spare us the 'wokeness'. After SPECTRE we might as well name the next one or the one after that WOKE.
    +1
    I believe that she’s being politely diplomatic.

  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 15,850
    DrClatterhand wrote: »
    https://variety.com/2020/film/features/james-bond-no-time-to-die-barbara-broccoli-michael-wilson-1203466601/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


    Really interesting article that briefly touches upon a time when BB thought Daniel Craig wasn't going to return. I think we'll be in for a long wait when he's done. Plus, the usual suspects will not be on the cards. Something changed with Craig's casting. Fanboy wishlist Bonds are not on Eon's radar. Expect the unexpected.

    I agree. I'm thinking maybe even a decade or more wait for the next film.
    Very different producers, Barbara and Cubby.
    I think Cubby probably would have the release date for the next film already set and be contemplating replacement actors.
  • UnivexUnivex
    edited January 2020 Posts: 6,677
    talos7 wrote: »
    JeremyBondon wrote: »
    “He can be of any color, but he is male,” says Broccoli.
    Oh babs, don't be silly. Spare us the 'wokeness'. After SPECTRE we might as well name the next one or the one after that WOKE.
    +1
    I believe that she’s being politely diplomatic.
    Let's hope so.

    Although I'd like him purple.

    Come to think of it, he was green in CR, (seeing) red in QOS, black and blue for most of SF, and a bit yellow in SP. So, we've covered many colours already.
  • DrClatterhandDrClatterhand United Kingdom
    Posts: 349
    Univex wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    JeremyBondon wrote: »
    “He can be of any color, but he is male,” says Broccoli.
    Oh babs, don't be silly. Spare us the 'wokeness'. After SPECTRE we might as well name the next one or the one after that WOKE.
    +1
    I believe that she’s being politely diplomatic.
    Let's hope so.

    Although I'd like him purple.

    Come to think of it, he was green in CR, (seeing) red in QOS, black and blue for most of SF, and a bit yellow in SP. So, we've covered many colours already.

    Hahaha!!! 😂😂😂
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    Posts: 4,400
    Based on Barbara's comments.....I think the next Bond is such an easy choice.

    Arise Sir Idris.

    6347134-6403531-image-m-40_1542568940518.jpg

    He's 47 but looks great. Let him do like 2 films at the very least.
  • UnivexUnivex
    edited January 2020 Posts: 6,677
    Sure, give the part to a 51 (in 2024) year old black man. That makes sense.

    Loved him in Cats btw (kidding, of course).
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I would absolutely love to see Idris in a first class spy film the features him as an original character.
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,677
    talos7 wrote: »
    I would absolutely love to see Idris in a first class spy film the features him as an original character.

    Me too. I'd really love to see that.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    Craig is too old at 51 yet Elba who will be in his 50's by the time the next film comes round is OK to start his tenure at that age?

    Seriously Elba has already gone on record saying he doesn't want the role anymore.
  • Benjamin_Weekly69Benjamin_Weekly69 London
    edited January 2020 Posts: 727
    We have so many great black British actors to choose from. How about John Boyega? He would be proper brilliant.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I have a lot of black friends who are big movie fans, several are huge Bond fans; every one of them chuckles at the discussion of a black Bond.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I have a lot of black friends who are big movie fans, several are huge Bond fans; every one of them chuckles at the discussion of a black Bond.

    This. It's preposterous, just to pander to audiences who don't even care and, in general, prefer Bond to be white, which he in fact is. Just stop, all of you with your absurd agendas.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    JeremyBondon wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    I have a lot of black friends who are big movie fans, several are huge Bond fans; every one of them chuckles at the discussion of a black Bond.

    This. It's preposterous, just to pander to audiences who don't even care and, in general, prefer Bond to be white, which he in fact is. Just stop, all of you with your absurd agendas.

    Yeah actually I see the same they want him white
  • dragonskydragonsky
    Posts: 2,491
    JeremyBondon wrote: »
    “He can be of any color, but he is male,” says Broccoli.

    This is the dumbest thing ever.

    And I hate how people will rationalize it

    "Well I mean..other characters changed colour" (something that shouldn't have happened at all)

    or

    "Well..Bond should be British, and there are black and indian Brits"

    or

    "Well, the characters in the books are changing apperance (Blofeld) so..."


    Why not Danny DeVito as James Bond?
    I mean..non-british person was Bond befor....and he is white....and he is charismatic.....surely the people who want Idris Elba as Bond would want DeVito???

    Or that

    "All I care about is Bond being deadly, charismatic, suave... I want to see him having sex with women, drinking alcohol and killing people!!! I don't care about other things!"

    Peter Dinklage in the role of Tyrion Lannister. Literally every single thing that's mentioned.
    And yet... people don't mention him as a potential Bond?

    I hate that there's going to be a Bond that doesn't look like Bond and that we'll have to accept it.

    Maybe that won't be the next Bond but eventually..that will happen cause people are more afraid that someone would call them racist/whatever than being right.


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