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Do you have any concerns or niggles about NTTD ,or are you full of confidence ?

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  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    So we're all full of confidence in NTTD then? Looks like it.
    I am, no kidding. My opinions of Skyfall can be found on other threads.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,012
    Me, too.

    I mean--yes, full of confidence as well, @4EverBonded.
  • ZekidkZekidk
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    SF was a heavily acclaimed score,
    Thanks to Adele. Can you hum or whistle any Newman-tracks? I can't. Arnold's on the other hand....
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,985
    Zekidk wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    SF was a heavily acclaimed score,
    Thanks to Adele. Can you hum or whistle any Newman-tracks? I can't. Arnold's on the other hand....

    Da da da da da da da da da da da da da da.... From the Moors music (interchangeable with chasing the helicopter along the Thames..) 😁
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    I love Arnold's score for CR & QOS but this score of Newman will be best from the Craig Era for me, from 1:30 onwards gave me goosebumps everytime i hear it.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    edited December 2019 Posts: 2,512
    Zekidk wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »

    Now with the Daniel Craig Bond, and especially in Skyfall here, they've focused more on characters and realism. They served us Bond as a real person, someone who is human and flawed, who had a difficult childhood and has a psychotic foster brother.
    JWZEAWA.jpg

    That's why I go!! (Dalton voice)

    No but seriously I understand your point completely but I don't think the "Bond formula" could carry on so proudly if like every good Martini is shaken, every once in a while.
    The series would not have lasted this long if they did the same thing every time out.

    As someone who struggled to enjoy the Brosnan era, I don't mind making Bond an actual character with real emotions and reasoning's. Which is Fleming's Bond, in fact that picture reminds me of the passages of the You Only Live Twice novel, were we find Bond drinking too much and he's struggling to come to terms with Tracy's death.

    As for Skyfall it's one of my favourite films in the series and like @peter said, it gets better with every watch for me
    Also @Resurrection that is my favourite part of the score from the film, it's just amazing. I still get chills thinking about the first time I saw Skyfall and hearing that piece with the brilliant scene
  • ZekidkZekidk
    Posts: 3,168
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »

    Now with the Daniel Craig Bond, and especially in Skyfall here, they've focused more on characters and realism. They served us Bond as a real person, someone who is human and flawed, who had a difficult childhood and has a psychotic foster brother.
    JWZEAWA.jpg

    No but seriously I understand your point completely but I don't think the "Bond formula" could carry on so proudly if like every good Martini is shaken, every once in a while.
    The series would not have lasted this long if they did the same thing every time out.

    Agreed. As I responded earlier:

    Zekidk wrote: »
    ossyjack wrote: »
    I yearn for a clean slate. Exciting pre-title sequence. Bond in London, receives a mission from M. Heads off to some exotic far flung location. Gradually unearths a masterplan or plot headed by a diabolical charismatic villain. Villain isn't a relative of Bond, or a traitor, or someone with a grudge. Just a psychopath or criminal genius who is thwarted by Bond's skills. Bond saves the world from ruin. The end.

    I would love for a "clean slate" - standard stuff and wellknown territory as you describe, but only for a one off. After that they have to do something entirely different. For the Bond franchise not to become obsolete it has to evolve. One thing they could do is start catering more to the younger generation, meaning more outlandish stuff and escapism and less personal drama.
  • shamanimalshamanimal
    Posts: 623
    JanusMatrix wrote: »
    James Bond now may face his greatest challenge in maintaining his literary traditions, while navigating the conflicting culture wars of the 21st century, as new narrative forces may pull him further from Ian Fleming’s original heritage.

    Oh, that's good. That's very good.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
    Posts: 3,985
    JanusMatrix wrote: »
    Casino Royale & Quantum of Solace formed an eloquent duet, while Skyfall and Spectre meandered towards personal but low-key finales. Spectre focalised Bond under the prisms of personal relationships and a strangely domestic agenda, with almost covert pre-Brexit inspired overtones. As the Daniel Craig series became a cohesive narrative in of itself, the isolated but carefree adventures of previous Bond films started to feel like a distant memory as the Bond universe began to be formed.

    Bond is now told blatantly to “stay in your lane” by the new 00 agent Nomi played by Lashana Lynch in the trailer. Preparing the audience for the beginning of a new era early. All encased with the cultural politics of the age, under the watchful eye of potential new writer Phoebe Waller Bridge. Whether or not the next Bond ends up as female is irrelevant, if the psychological core at the heart of the character is somehow lost or altered.

    Keeping this identity and traditionalists happy into the next iteration could prove to be Bond’s most dangerous mission yet. The character has successfully navigated the cold war and the fall of communism, through to the war on terror, transcending a variety of different actors that made the role their own while remaining true to the spirit of Fleming’s creation.

    James Bond now may face his greatest challenge in maintaining his literary traditions, while navigating the conflicting culture wars of the 21st century, as new narrative forces may pull him further from Ian Fleming’s original heritage.

    One of the best posts I've seen on here for ages 👍
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,034
    JanusMatrix wrote: »
    Casino Royale & Quantum of Solace formed an eloquent duet, while Skyfall and Spectre meandered towards personal but low-key finales. Spectre focalised Bond under the prisms of personal relationships and a strangely domestic agenda, with almost covert pre-Brexit inspired overtones. As the Daniel Craig series became a cohesive narrative in of itself, the isolated but carefree adventures of previous Bond films started to feel like a distant memory as the Bond universe began to be formed.

    Bond is now told blatantly to “stay in your lane” by the new 00 agent Nomi played by Lashana Lynch in the trailer. Preparing the audience for the beginning of a new era early. All encased with the cultural politics of the age, under the watchful eye of potential new writer Phoebe Waller Bridge. Whether or not the next Bond ends up as female is irrelevant, if the psychological core at the heart of the character is somehow lost or altered.

    Keeping this identity and traditionalists happy into the next iteration could prove to be Bond’s most dangerous mission yet. The character has successfully navigated the cold war and the fall of communism, through to the war on terror, transcending a variety of different actors that made the role their own while remaining true to the spirit of Fleming’s creation.

    James Bond now may face his greatest challenge in maintaining his literary traditions, while navigating the conflicting culture wars of the 21st century, as new narrative forces may pull him further from Ian Fleming’s original heritage.

    Bravo.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,025
    Zekidk wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    SF was a heavily acclaimed score,
    Thanks to Adele. Can you hum or whistle any Newman-tracks? I can't. Arnold's on the other hand....

    How does that dispute what I stated?
  • shamanimalshamanimal
    Posts: 623
    JanusMatrix wrote: »
    David Arnold I feel is hugely influential in the evolution of Bond from the 1990s onwards...

    Shaken and Stirred: The David Arnold James Bond Project is an utter masterpiece.

    I was down in London to see DA at the Bond in Motion exhibition last year, it was great. I downloaded the Shaken and Stirred thing to listen to on the way down, to get me excited.
    It almost made me want to turn back, I thought it was terrible. Electronic shit ruining great tunes. Trendy bleeps and farts sucking the soul out of great songs.
    The CR soundtrack is the best of David Arnold, for me. And I'll happily admit that the tech stuff can work (Come in 007, Your Time is up).
    But Shaken and Stirred?
    Shagged and Shitted, more like.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Ehhh, that QOS "rejected" title sucked. But so did "Another Way to Die". And that Shirley Bassey song Arnold produced wasn't so great either.

    I wish Amy Winehouse hadn't been such a mess when she was the top contender because I think she could have nailed it.
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited December 2019 Posts: 3,168
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Ehhh, that QOS "rejected" title sucked.
    This, by Arnold and Bassey, does not, though. One of my favorite Bond songs, even though it didn't make it:
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Not a fan of that one either. Bassey's vocals are great and show she could have easily pulled off another title, but the production is very lacking, much like with "Surrender" and "The World is Not Enough" it's stuck in that same style he had with the Shaken and Stirred album, as if he never truly left the 90s production mindset. Even still uses that weird electronic buzzing sound. The only song that Arnold had involvement in that worked for me was "You Know My Name", and I suspect that's largely because Chris Cornell being one of the few artists to be a producer of their own song had a larger hand creatively. Arnold wasn't gonna be able to throw Don Black lyrics at him, that's for sure.


    That said, I've yet to find any attempt at making a decent title song for QOS.
  • ZekidkZekidk
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    To each his own.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Ehhh, that QOS "rejected" title sucked.
    This, by Arnold and Bassey, does not, though. One of my favorite Bond songs, even though it didn't make it:

    I loved this back then, still do.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,034
    Univex wrote: »
    Zekidk wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Ehhh, that QOS "rejected" title sucked.
    This, by Arnold and Bassey, does not, though. One of my favorite Bond songs, even though it didn't make it:

    I loved this back then, still do.

    Same.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    Ehhh, that QOS "rejected" title sucked.
    This, by Arnold and Bassey, does not, though. One of my favorite Bond songs, even though it didn't make it:

    It's almost there, but I still think AWTD is the stronger choice.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed AWTD, even if only slightly. But that Bassey theme is superior, IMO.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Love that Bassey theme. I only hope the Score for NTTD will also be up to standard.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Univex wrote: »
    I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed AWTD, even if only slightly. But that Bassey theme is superior, IMO.

    I'm a White fan but would admit that AWTD isn't great but compared to WOTW it's most competent and at least it fits the theme of the film.

    WOTW lyrical theme has no bearing on the film, I'm not sure what the hell Smith was warbling on about, officially the worst Bond song ever.

    Radiohead's Spectre was masterful in comparison and didn't sound like a pastiche.

    Though not having Radiohead's Man of War as a Bond theme will go down as one of the biggest missed opportunities of the series music history.

    That song was such a Bond theme but again still stayed loyal to RH sound.

    I hope they get something real special for NTTD but I won't hold my breath, it is the one area I'm willing to expect will disappoint me.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I didn't like AWTD the first time I heard it, and since then it has only gotten worse that I rank it at the very bottom. Whereas I didn't like WOTW the first time I heard it, it eventually grew on me to at least reach middle of the road among songs I don't revisit often but aren't on t he bottom pile.

    Agreed about the Radiohead song. Shame that wasn't used.
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,677
    Shardlake wrote: »
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    Univex wrote: »
    I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed AWTD, even if only slightly. But that Bassey theme is superior, IMO.

    I'm a White fan but would admit that AWTD isn't great but compared to WOTW it's most competent and at least it fits the theme of the film.

    WOTW lyrical theme has no bearing on the film, I'm not sure what the hell Smith was warbling on about, officially the worst Bond song ever.

    Radiohead's Spectre was masterful in comparison and didn't sound like a pastiche.

    Though not having Radiohead's Man of War as a Bond theme will go down as one of the biggest missed opportunities of the series music history.

    That song was such a Bond theme but again still stayed loyal to RH sound.

    I hope they get something real special for NTTD but I won't hold my breath, it is the one area I'm willing to expect will disappoint me.

    +1 to all of that.
  • OOWolfOOWolf Savannah
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    In an ideal world, the theme will be as bombastic as 'Goldfinger' or as propulsive as 'AVTAK' or 'TLD.'
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed AWTD.

    Me too.

    I love it too. I think it fits the QoS movie better than Bassey's song (as much as I love it).

    @Shardlake It was Mendes who asked Smith to come up with "the world's greatest love song".
  • octofingeroctofinger
    Posts: 787
    JanusMatrix wrote: »
    Casino Royale & Quantum of Solace formed an eloquent duet, while Skyfall and Spectre meandered towards personal but low-key finales. Spectre focalised Bond under the prisms of personal relationships and a strangely domestic agenda, with almost covert pre-Brexit inspired overtones. As the Daniel Craig series became a cohesive narrative in of itself, the isolated but carefree adventures of previous Bond films started to feel like a distant memory as the Bond universe began to be formed.

    Bond is now told blatantly to “stay in your lane” by the new 00 agent Nomi played by Lashana Lynch in the trailer. Preparing the audience for the beginning of a new era early. All encased with the cultural politics of the age, under the watchful eye of potential new writer Phoebe Waller Bridge. Whether or not the next Bond ends up as female is irrelevant, if the psychological core at the heart of the character is somehow lost or altered.

    Keeping this identity and traditionalists happy into the next iteration could prove to be Bond’s most dangerous mission yet. The character has successfully navigated the cold war and the fall of communism, through to the war on terror, transcending a variety of different actors that made the role their own while remaining true to the spirit of Fleming’s creation.

    James Bond now may face his greatest challenge in maintaining his literary traditions, while navigating the conflicting culture wars of the 21st century, as new narrative forces may pull him further from Ian Fleming’s original heritage.

    I don't know.

    Remember in Goldeneye, when M told Bond she thought he was "a sexist, misogynist dinosaur"?

    And what is "under the watchful eye" of Waller-Bridge? Sounds like she was a credited script doctor. Why is it "under her eye" rather than any other of the small army of credited and uncredited writers on NTTD? Why not the watchful eye of Fukunaga, who looks like he's about as Bond as Sean Connery?
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    Walecs wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    I'm one of the few who actually enjoyed AWTD.

    Me too.

    I love it too. I think it fits the QoS movie better than Bassey's song (as much as I love it).

    @Shardlake It was Mendes who asked Smith to come up with "the world's greatest love song".

    Well he definitely failed at that and the film had no love story, if that was what it was trying to do it failed.

    NTTD will doubt try to course correct that but no one was convinced that Bond and Swann were in love.

    The film is bloody awful and so is the song.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    Brocolli says NTTD will be an epic love story so we’ll see
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
    edited December 2019 Posts: 984
    JanusMatrix wrote: »
    Casino Royale & Quantum of Solace formed an eloquent duet, while Skyfall and Spectre meandered towards personal but low-key finales. Spectre focalised Bond under the prisms of personal relationships and a strangely domestic agenda, with almost covert pre-Brexit inspired overtones. As the Daniel Craig series became a cohesive narrative in of itself, the isolated but carefree adventures of previous Bond films started to feel like a distant memory as the Bond universe began to be formed.

    Bond is now told blatantly to “stay in your lane” by the new 00 agent Nomi played by Lashana Lynch in the trailer. Preparing the audience for the beginning of a new era early. All encased with the cultural politics of the age, under the watchful eye of potential new writer Phoebe Waller Bridge. Whether or not the next Bond ends up as female is irrelevant, if the psychological core at the heart of the character is somehow lost or altered.

    Keeping this identity and traditionalists happy into the next iteration could prove to be Bond’s most dangerous mission yet. The character has successfully navigated the cold war and the fall of communism, through to the war on terror, transcending a variety of different actors that made the role their own while remaining true to the spirit of Fleming’s creation.

    James Bond now may face his greatest challenge in maintaining his literary traditions, while navigating the conflicting culture wars of the 21st century, as new narrative forces may pull him further from Ian Fleming’s original heritage.

    Eloquently put.
    That is definitely the biggest challenge, and to be honest, I think it's been an ongoing one since 1995.

    I do feel that Broccoli Jr, has missed the mark somewhat since her takeover of the series. The Brosnan Bond films, maybe excluding Goldeneye, where like an exercise in box ticking. Typical Bond trope, check. The Craig Bond films have gone out of their way to not tick any of the boxes.

    Not that they haven't had a couple of belters. Both of the old chap's debut films where excellent, and can put themselves into the upper echelon of the series. It's just how they where followed up, for Brosnan and Craig, where Babs has slipped.

    If they can find a happy medium between these two states, I ,for one will be a much happier Bond fan.
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