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  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    Red_Snow wrote: »
    'The Report' director Scott Z Burns reflects on writing for Bond 25: 'the most significant movie character of all time'
    https://uk.movies.yahoo.com/scott-z-burns-the-report-james-bond-no-time-to-die-162350366.html

    And Burns was involved in 007’s new adventure, No Time To Die, after being hired as a script doctor by director Cary Joji Fukunaga. But what’s it actually like to write a Bond film?

    “It sounds really corny,” Burns tells Yahoo Movies UK, “but if you’re a screenwriter, and you’re working in Final Draft, and you type in the character ‘Bond’ and you get to write dialogue: You do have to chuckle.”

    “To me, it’s the most significant movie character of all time. It’s a privilege to work on that. You just can’t be cynical about it. And the work that Daniel has done to evolve the character is so great.

    “Cary has all sorts of ideas about where he wants to take the story, and Phoebe Waller-Bridge and I overlapped a bit, and I’m a huge fan of hers.”

    How does it feel to have another iconic writer come on to your project?

    “When you’re brought in to rewrite something, it’s all hands on deck. Your job is to solve a set of problems. I was brought in late in the game, and we were barrelling towards production. And so, you know, you just want there to be ideas.

    “It’s one thing when it’s a character you’ve created, when you have that pride of authorship.”

    This coupled with the Express interview has me very excited about the screenplay and script. I really dont thinks Scott Burns would be speaking this highly of something he was not proud of. Having watched Contagion recently and the two Bourne films he assisted on, I am excited to see what he does. Contagion btw features a plot that expertly uses the threat of disease, could this be why he was so sought after by EON for this project.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited November 2019 Posts: 3,126
    Shardlake wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Makes sense that more and more people are trying to counter the #MeToo "threat". If EON are smart, they will follow that advice. Let's not forget that part of what made Bond "hot" in the '60s was the daring nature of the films amidst the more careful average of the mainstream films.

    Right now, a smoking protagonist, a ruthless assassin, some sex,... can get you an R. But even more than that, there are social warriors out there. We've given them a forum and they're using it. They're keeping count of things and they will build a case against you if the male-female unbalance is there. They'll overanalyse the lines, the gestures, the plot twists, ... and "deduce" that Bond is a sexist creep, a terrible role model, a bad example for future husbands, ... Why Bond? Because the bigger their target, the more attention people will pay to their nonsense.

    And that's what we need, isn't it? The Bonds are no longer the biggest action flicks. They may not even be the most glamorous spy adventures anymore. Others have surpassed the Bonds where they used to be the hottest property in filmland. But Bond has a secret weapon and journalists with an agenda have handed it to us on a plate.

    Bond still reaches a wide audience. And at the same time, Bond can strike a little controversy. Controversy sells. Nothing worse than a bland, boring, tediously PC perfect Bond. A Bond who shows some sexual prowess, who doesn't want to be a role model, who reminds people that this world is not controlled by body-positive Instagram celebs, now THAT Bond sells hard! Let the equality crusaders have it in big for Bond--the more they write about how Bond is swimming upstream in their river of perfect social conscience, the more "risqué" it feels to watch and enjoy a Bond film. Everyone likes that bit of "safe danger", of sitting comfortably in your movie theatre chair, enjoying what the holy media are saying is "wrong". Like the juries deciding on porn, or Wertham's "Seduction of Innocent"--dark forces have railed against the very thing that ended spinning totally out of their control. The more "forbidden" the fruit, the better its taste.

    I'm not saying Bond has to actively pursue controversy. But by staying true to its Flemingian nature, the film series can easily defy the voodoo curse of enforced gender equality and whatnot that has infected even the Marvel films and--some will say--even Star Wars. James Bond can become edgier again by basically not changing a bloody thing about the formula. By not giving in, by not swinging the pendulum even farther away from his legacy, Bond can gain popularity. Obviously we don't need to go back to Bond hitting women. But a little Fleming in our Bond doesn't hurt, now does it?
    TripAces wrote: »
    Let's clarify something: There is a difference between the franchise's approach to women and James Bond's approach to women. It is EON that put women in skimpy outfits and made them sexual objects. James Bond the character did not do any of that.

    Correct. When I'm talking about "the Bonds" or "a Bond", I mean the Bond films, not the character.
    TripAces wrote: »
    How EON has painted women for this franchise has indeed changed. To a lesser degree, Bond's relationship with women has changed, too. But this whole idea of Bond (the character) being a misogynist is inflated and based on reputation, not reality. Thee are actually very, very few incidents of Bond truly mistreating women. The Patricia Fearing incident in TB is the main one. There is the ass slap in GF, which is relatively minor. Another that is borderline is the slap of Tatiana, and that leads to my main point. We're talking about a spy game, here, folks. These are not innocent people, playing a game of Monopoly, with fake money. From a standpoint of espionage, Bond's actions are justified. He uses sex and sexuality as a weapon.

    I couldn't agree more.
    TripAces wrote: »
    The furor over Bond's "rape" of Pussy Galore is the most egregious act of this kind of ignorance. Critics of Bond's behavior conveniently side step the fact that Galore's character is an accomplice in the planning of a nuclear detonation at a major U.S. military installation. Chew on that. Bond's job is to thwart that effort, and he could have done this quite violently. Bond is an assassin, but when it comes to women, within this world of espionage, he has other tools he can use (sorry for the pun).

    Once again, I couldn't agree more.
    TripAces wrote: »
    Bond does not generally interact with women who are NOT part of this world. Sylvia, Honey, Patricia, Tilly, and Vesper are just a few. One could also make a case that Fields is not a part of it, either, and her presence in QoS is one of the most complex. That's a different discussion. In general, Bond's approach to women outside that world is quiote a bit different and always has been. One need only look at his reaction to Tilly Masterson being struck down by Odd Job. Bond leaves his position, risking his own life, to check on her, and he is visibly shaken by her death. (He is also quite bothered by Fields' death, as well). This notion that Bond hates and mistreats women is simply not true. Yes, he has hit women...but who were those women and what were their motivations? (Tatiana is the one act of violence that is hard to watch, if only because Bond jumps to a horrible and wrong conclusion.)

    And here too, I agree.
    TripAces wrote: »
    While I am sympathetic to the MeToo movement, I just do not see it as applicable to Bond, the character. In terms of the franchise, EON has more and more created stronger female characters, and there is nothing wrong with that. At the same time, @DarthDimi , I don't buy the franchise has ever been particularly "Flemingian." I don't think the argument that "enforced gender equality" is a voodoo curse. Gender equality isn't forced, it's a reality. How did Triple-X ever become a Soviet agent in the first place? Was that forced or a reality?

    Well, I guess here we disagree, but only a bit. I wasn't referring to the characters we've already seen but to some people demanding that Bond be played by a woman, or that Bond doesn't ever outperform a woman at the crucial moments in the story. But even Triple-X, in the end, had to be rescued by Bond; and while she had considered killing him, a simple invitation to sex from Bond was enough to make her change her mind. While that's highly implausible in real life, it was probably the simplest way to end that particular movie. Bond saves the girl, no matter how talented she herself is, and certain other assets of his save himself. Some people had issues with that in '77, but nowadays you couldn't release a Bond film like this anymore, especially with that ending, or else the Internet would be burning down the house.

    Gender equality and gender equality are two different things. One is a fact, the other a mission. Those crusading for it often lose perspective themselves; in fact, as you have laid it out very well in the previous three paragraphs, people accusing the Bond films of being mysoginist and whatnot, are doing the series a serious disservice.

    Hence why I'm calling it a voodoo curse. We've never been screaming for a female Bond or a Bond "woman" (because "girl" is nowadays unacceptable, apparently) who saves him all the time. Yet from nowhere, these delirious opinions have come creeping in fast; suddenly, some people have seen the light! They claim that Bond is not of these times anymore, that he has to change, that he is a misogynist and that this is not something we want to get exposed to these days. But as you have said it yourself, Bond's attitude towards women has changed too; it's still perfectly acceptable, isn't it? So what are they talking about and why do they insist on pressing this issue, unless these people are gruesomely obsessed with their mission to invade EVERY popular property out there, just to find a platform. They will continue to find reasons to accuse popular movies of not being there just yet, no matter what the filmmakers do.

    The series, I think, has always done its best to stay as Flemingian as possible, and I'll concede that's not the same thing as following Fleming's template straight on. What I meant was that Bond doesn't have to be perfect, faultless or a textbook example of "gender etiquette". By demanding that Bond surround himself with "strong women" without whom he couldn't accomplish his mission, or better still, that Bond become a woman himself, they are sucking the Fleming right out of it. I want a Bond film to tell a good story with characters that are essential for it. I don't want a Bond film that results from nothing but compromises to placate those insisting on something LGBT-positive, gender-positive, race-positive, politically correct, ... Because then there is not a lot to enjoy anymore.

    I guess, I just don't know who "they" are, so I am not at all fearful of any group sucking the life out of Bond. The franchise's changes are the changes in the times, and in many cases for the better. The shower scene with Vesper is a perfect example. Damn, what a good scene, and one that would have been out of place in Connery's first few films.

    There will NOT be a female Bond. Not gonna happen. It's a "fun" conversation to have, in terms of who could pull that off. But it's just an exercise, and one I welcome, if for no other reason than it proves how relevant James Bond is to Western culture. We don't hear, "gee, we need a female Harry Potter" or "gee, we need a female Jason Bourne." Why? Because they're not James effin' Bond, that's why! So I entertain it, but I urge serious Bond fans not to make too much of it, MeToo, or TimesUp, or anything like that.

    I think he meant the lefties by they.

    Why is there an assumption that all people that lean to the left feel that way?

    I'm certainly no Conservative and I agree with what he said.

    Well that started things I'm not trying to pick at a particular group it was just a guess but probably shouldn't have made it . But I can't see based on ideology righties being for that but they can be stubborn or strict as well. I guess I helped changed the conversation from star wars by throwing in a wrench.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited November 2019 Posts: 3,126
    octofinger wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »

    I think he meant the lefties by they.

    Well here again, who are "the lefties?" What does that even mean? Again, not only is this stuff only tangentially related to NTTD Filming, but it's vague and slightly shrill. The last two films made $2 billion and at least one of them had near-universal critical acclaim.
    A smattering of voices have decided to pick on this or that aspect of the films particularly or the franchise generally - but certainly nothing any reasonable person should be painting with a broad brush.

    @octofinger it was a guess based on ideology both sides have gone making a guess doesn't mean I'm a lunatic people have rights to guess not to be shutdown. Hopefully it's for both sides I think everyone wants that.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Matt007 wrote: »
    Leftie is just a lazy grouping together of people. Like millennial and boomer.

    I suppose I’m a leftie as I think government should provide more than a growing GDP for it Citizens, and don’t feel threatened by the metoo movement or the changing responsibility of movie blockbusters’ representations of women.

    I also think some people’s opinions are bordering on hysterical on both sides of the left right spectrum.

    That's fine by me I wasn't trying to be hysterical.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    Posts: 3,497
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    Matt007 wrote: »
    Leftie is just a lazy grouping together of people. Like millennial and boomer.

    I suppose I’m a leftie as I think government should provide more than a growing GDP for it Citizens, and don’t feel threatened by the metoo movement or the changing responsibility of movie blockbusters’ representations of women.

    I also think some people’s opinions are bordering on hysterical on both sides of the left right spectrum.

    That's fine by me I wasn't trying to be hysterical.

    So your mistake will be short lived.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Boy I'm really late in the news. I don't come here often enough. I had no idea that the villain was named Safin. It would make sense that he was Russian. If he is, anyone else thinks it's kind of ironic an American actor plays a Russian?
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited November 2019 Posts: 5,869
    The only issue I’m having with the whole Russian thing is Malek’s previous quotes about how he doesn’t want to be cast as anyone who has ties to any terrorism that is based on any religion or ideology, so wouldn’t having the Russians be the villains of this film kind of adhere to what he wanted to avoid?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only issue I’m having with the whole Russian thing is Malek’s previous quotes about how he doesn’t want to be cast as anyone who has ties to any terrorism that is based on any religion or ideology, so wouldn’t having the Russians be the villains of this film kind of adhere to what he wanted to avoid?

    Depends how it is played out. We have had villains of many nationalities, it isn t always an issue in itself.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only issue I’m having with the whole Russian thing is Malek’s previous quotes about how he doesn’t want to be cast as anyone who has ties to any terrorism that is based on any religion or ideology, so wouldn’t having the Russians be the villains of this film kind of adhere to what he wanted to avoid?

    Is it confirmed that any of the locations will actually double as Russia or?

    Not being connected to any ideology or religion does not mean he can't be from the east.

  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only issue I’m having with the whole Russian thing is Malek’s previous quotes about how he doesn’t want to be cast as anyone who has ties to any terrorism that is based on any religion or ideology, so wouldn’t having the Russians be the villains of this film kind of adhere to what he wanted to avoid?

    Depends how it is played out. We have had villains of many nationalities, it isn t always an issue in itself.

    That's true just because it's of a nationality doesn't necessarily mean it's political.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only issue I’m having with the whole Russian thing is Malek’s previous quotes about how he doesn’t want to be cast as anyone who has ties to any terrorism that is based on any religion or ideology, so wouldn’t having the Russians be the villains of this film kind of adhere to what he wanted to avoid?

    I think he was referring to Islamic terrorism, given his own Egyptian background. And he can be Russian without being politically aligned. He could be Russian mob or something. If I'm not mistaken the Russian Mafia is often used post Cold War as antagonist in spy thrillers.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only issue I’m having with the whole Russian thing is Malek’s previous quotes about how he doesn’t want to be cast as anyone who has ties to any terrorism that is based on any religion or ideology, so wouldn’t having the Russians be the villains of this film kind of adhere to what he wanted to avoid?

    I think he was referring to Islamic terrorism, given his own Egyptian background. And he can be Russian without being politically aligned. He could be Russian mob or something. If I'm not mistaken the Russian Mafia is often used post Cold War as antagonist in spy thrillers.

    Fro what I gather he won't be connected to anything. So no Mafia an no Islamic terrorism.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 14,822
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only issue I’m having with the whole Russian thing is Malek’s previous quotes about how he doesn’t want to be cast as anyone who has ties to any terrorism that is based on any religion or ideology, so wouldn’t having the Russians be the villains of this film kind of adhere to what he wanted to avoid?

    I think he was referring to Islamic terrorism, given his own Egyptian background. And he can be Russian without being politically aligned. He could be Russian mob or something. If I'm not mistaken the Russian Mafia is often used post Cold War as antagonist in spy thrillers.

    Fro what I gather he won't be connected to anything. So no Mafia an no Islamic terrorism.

    Well my bet is that he'll be connected to Spectre, directly or indirectly.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only issue I’m having with the whole Russian thing is Malek’s previous quotes about how he doesn’t want to be cast as anyone who has ties to any terrorism that is based on any religion or ideology, so wouldn’t having the Russians be the villains of this film kind of adhere to what he wanted to avoid?

    I think he was referring to Islamic terrorism, given his own Egyptian background. And he can be Russian without being politically aligned. He could be Russian mob or something. If I'm not mistaken the Russian Mafia is often used post Cold War as antagonist in spy thrillers.

    Fro what I gather he won't be connected to anything. So no Mafia an no Islamic terrorism.

    Well my bet is that he'll be connected to Spectre, directly or indirectly.

    Personally I hope not.
  • ZekidkZekidk
    Posts: 3,168
    James Bond No Time to Die leak: ‘Lashana Lynch 007 could be SCRAPPED after fan backlash’

    https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1203794/James-Bond-No-Time-To-Die-leak-Lashana-Lynch-007-Daniel-Craig-female-Bond

    "As promised by executive producer Barbara Broccoli, Ian Fleming’s James Bond will always be played by a man – as wanted by some fans."

    Tabloid press! Like there would be some who fought for James to be a woman (!)
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited November 2019 Posts: 5,185
    Just more speculative trash completely based off the speculative daily mail article.

    I'm expecting a ton of Youtube commentaries to appear after this though :))
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    Posts: 2,541
    00Agent wrote: »
    Just more speculative trash completely based off the speculative daily mail article.

    I'm expecting a ton of Youtube commentaries to appear after this though :))

    Don't forget some more YouTuber will make another long video why bond films are doomed.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited November 2019 Posts: 5,185
    Resurrection wrote: »
    00Agent wrote: »
    Just more speculative trash completely based off the speculative daily mail article.

    I'm expecting a ton of Youtube commentaries to appear after this though :))

    Don't forget some more YouTuber will make another long video why bond films are doomed.

    Oh for sure. I bet some are editing it as we speak lol.
  • FrankXavierFrankXavier
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    I think Safin could very much be an indepent villain like Silva, although the fact SPECTRE is involved gives me pause a bit.

    Also, @DarthDimi just wanted to say I really agree with your thoughts.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited November 2019 Posts: 5,869
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only issue I’m having with the whole Russian thing is Malek’s previous quotes about how he doesn’t want to be cast as anyone who has ties to any terrorism that is based on any religion or ideology, so wouldn’t having the Russians be the villains of this film kind of adhere to what he wanted to avoid?

    I think he was referring to Islamic terrorism, given his own Egyptian background. And he can be Russian without being politically aligned. He could be Russian mob or something. If I'm not mistaken the Russian Mafia is often used post Cold War as antagonist in spy thrillers.
    Oh of course, I’m just aware of how this kind of character could be taken, but I trust them to handle it properly.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
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    I think the film starts with safin pursuing his daughter he had with Madeline bad things escalate and he gets the facial injury.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    “Oops, we wrongfully assumed Nomi was 007, quick, let’s make it look like EON backed off the idea!”
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    Posts: 5,185
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    “Oops, we wrongfully assumed Nomi was 007, quick, let’s make it look like EON backed off the idea!”

    "Anyway, there's absolutely no truth in this malicious rumor that I started running 'Nomi is 007' stories simply because Barbara Broccoli, the great British movie producer, lost 10,000 pounds to me in a game of poker and refused to pay up."
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  • RC7RC7
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    I think the film starts with safin pursuing his daughter he had with Madeline bad things escalate and he gets the facial injury.

    Then Danny Dyer rocks up and they start fighting over who’s getting ‘The Vic’.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,025
    00Agent wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    “Oops, we wrongfully assumed Nomi was 007, quick, let’s make it look like EON backed off the idea!”

    "Anyway, there's absolutely no truth in this malicious rumor that I started running 'Nomi is 007' stories simply because Barbara Broccoli, the great British movie producer, lost 10,000 pounds to me in a game of poker and refused to pay up."
    giphy.gif

  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    That came out of nowhere. Brilliant!
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited November 2019 Posts: 4,343
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only issue I’m having with the whole Russian thing is Malek’s previous quotes about how he doesn’t want to be cast as anyone who has ties to any terrorism that is based on any religion or ideology, so wouldn’t having the Russians be the villains of this film kind of adhere to what he wanted to avoid?

    Is it confirmed that any of the locations will actually double as Russia or?

    Not being connected to any ideology or religion does not mean he can't be from the east.

    Nothing is confirmed but all those Russian plates plus the villain with a Russian surname sound like strong clues.

    Regarding SPECTRE it will 100% feature in the film. How much, I don't know. Baz implied that Blofeld knows Safin so a business/emotional connection is likely. In QoS they established Quantum/SPECTRE business in Siberia, Safin seems to lead a big bio-engineering corporation. A connection between Safin and SPECTRE sounds highly probable, without forgetting that basically SPECTRE had connection with all the villains within the Craig canon.
  • NickThunderballsNickThunderballs Australia
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    matt_u wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only issue I’m having with the whole Russian thing is Malek’s previous quotes about how he doesn’t want to be cast as anyone who has ties to any terrorism that is based on any religion or ideology, so wouldn’t having the Russians be the villains of this film kind of adhere to what he wanted to avoid?

    Is it confirmed that any of the locations will actually double as Russia or?

    Not being connected to any ideology or religion does not mean he can't be from the east.

    Nothing is confirmed but all those Russian plates plus the villain with a Russian surname sound like strong clues.

    Regarding SPECTRE it will 100% feature in the film. How much, I don't know. Baz implied that Blofeld knows Safin so a business/emotional connection is likely. In QoS they established Quantum/SPECTRE business in Siberia, Safin seems to lead a big bio-engineering corporation. A connection between Safin and SPECTRE sounds highly probable, without forgetting that basically SPECTRE had connection with all the villains within the Craig canon.

    Norway doubling for Russia then??
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    NickThunderballs wrote: »
    matt_u wrote: »
    JamesCraig wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The only issue I’m having with the whole Russian thing is Malek’s previous quotes about how he doesn’t want to be cast as anyone who has ties to any terrorism that is based on any religion or ideology, so wouldn’t having the Russians be the villains of this film kind of adhere to what he wanted to avoid?

    Is it confirmed that any of the locations will actually double as Russia or?

    Not being connected to any ideology or religion does not mean he can't be from the east.

    Nothing is confirmed but all those Russian plates plus the villain with a Russian surname sound like strong clues.

    Regarding SPECTRE it will 100% feature in the film. How much, I don't know. Baz implied that Blofeld knows Safin so a business/emotional connection is likely. In QoS they established Quantum/SPECTRE business in Siberia, Safin seems to lead a big bio-engineering corporation. A connection between Safin and SPECTRE sounds highly probable, without forgetting that basically SPECTRE had connection with all the villains within the Craig canon.

    Norway doubling for Russia then??

    Well, sounds likely, even tho is still just speculation.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    Why does it have to be a defined country or nationality? Did Craig have any villains so far with defined nationality?
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