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  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Balcony-set still there. Pic from yesterday



  • Benny wrote: »
    Ok gents please. It's obvious that no one is going to back down. So let's leave it there please.
    Thanks

    How wonderful gentle your warning is:-). Don't you think that some wordings like "pissing on someone's grandkids" is perhaps more offensive than certain pre-listed words from the 'from the moderator manual'? And not just that, but also how such wordings are used in particular contexts?

    Again, please, just leave it. This is a filming thread.
  • GertGettlerGertGettler Laptop Barcelona
    Posts: 431
    Benny wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Ok gents please. It's obvious that no one is going to back down. So let's leave it there please.
    Thanks

    How wonderful gentle your warning is:-). Don't you think that some wordings like "pissing on someone's grandkids" is perhaps more offensive than certain pre-listed words from the 'from the moderator manual'? And not just that, but also how such wordings are used in particular contexts?

    Gert please don't tell me how I should handle a situation.
    Does this have anything to do with you? No.
    Not everything is black and white old fellow.
    Section 26 paragraph 5, that information is on a need to know basis. Sure you understand. ;)

    Oowh you know me Benny. I'm Dutch. I don't think in vertical terms with regard to authority. For me remarks, like I just made, should be made a bit more often. You can even find some truth in it yourself (if you try hehe). And...it keeps the moderator sharp 😏😉. Having said that, you are a good moderator,who actually is one of the more horizontally thinking moderators 👍🏼
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 14,861
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.

    Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.

    I honestly believe Cary will take the straightest path (I know I would in his shoes, if I was ever so lucky), so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in the past), Titles, Jamaica in the here and now. Just good clean storytelling - no gimmicks that may confuse the storytelling for no good reason.

    I always love how the novel of OHMSS is full of flashbacks and all sorts of playing around with time as Fleming liked to do (especially at the opening of his novels) but the film dispenses with all that, but keeps the scenes in the same order! :) Much less fuss and it still works.

    It's much easier to play with time that way in a novel than it is in a film. Of course many films do use complex flashbacks and structure for dramatic purpose, but the Bond films have always unfolded with linear structures. I don't see Cary messing with that.

    I don't know what he'll do; I can't pretend to know his mind, but the OHMSS thing amuses me because the film shows that none of that flashiness was necessary! :)

    I've read the novel and Fleming's structure is great, but, as I say, the films have been linear, so I stand by my theory and firm belief Cary will follow clean and clear storytelling, following the linear structure of the past films, so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in different periods of the - fairly - recent past, then the Titles, and then Jamaica in the present. An ordered timeline which the audience can easily follow.

    Do you know the director personally?
    I'm sure it probably will be linear: I'm not actually claiming it won't be! :)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2019 Posts: 14,861
    Contraband wrote: »
    Balcony-set still there. Pic from yesterday



    That's funny isn't it: usually they strike these things immediately. They can't be done there.
    Unless the photo was only posted yesterday and taken a while ago..?
  • Posts: 1,452
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.

    Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.

    I honestly believe Cary will take the straightest path (I know I would in his shoes, if I was ever so lucky), so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in the past), Titles, Jamaica in the here and now. Just good clean storytelling - no gimmicks that may confuse the storytelling for no good reason.

    I always love how the novel of OHMSS is full of flashbacks and all sorts of playing around with time as Fleming liked to do (especially at the opening of his novels) but the film dispenses with all that, but keeps the scenes in the same order! :) Much less fuss and it still works.

    It's much easier to play with time that way in a novel than it is in a film. Of course many films do use complex flashbacks and structure for dramatic purpose, but the Bond films have always unfolded with linear structures. I don't see Cary messing with that.

    I don't know what he'll do; I can't pretend to know his mind, but the OHMSS thing amuses me because the film shows that none of that flashiness was necessary! :)

    I've read the novel and Fleming's structure is great, but, as I say, the films have been linear, so I stand by my theory and firm belief Cary will follow clean and clear storytelling, following the linear structure of the past films, so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in different periods of the - fairly - recent past, then the Titles, and then Jamaica in the present. An ordered timeline which the audience can easily follow.

    Do you know the director personally?
    I'm sure it probably will be linear: I'm not actually claiming it won't be! :)

    No, but I have friends working with him right now who have highly rated his clarity and sure footed approach, and of course his previous productions speak for themselves in terms of his sharp, no-nonsense storytelling, even with True Detective, which did play with time, or Maniac which played with reality, there was still absolute clarity. And, for me, the clear way to tell the story is just how I've outlined in earlier posts.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2019 Posts: 14,861
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.

    Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.

    I honestly believe Cary will take the straightest path (I know I would in his shoes, if I was ever so lucky), so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in the past), Titles, Jamaica in the here and now. Just good clean storytelling - no gimmicks that may confuse the storytelling for no good reason.

    I always love how the novel of OHMSS is full of flashbacks and all sorts of playing around with time as Fleming liked to do (especially at the opening of his novels) but the film dispenses with all that, but keeps the scenes in the same order! :) Much less fuss and it still works.

    It's much easier to play with time that way in a novel than it is in a film. Of course many films do use complex flashbacks and structure for dramatic purpose, but the Bond films have always unfolded with linear structures. I don't see Cary messing with that.

    I don't know what he'll do; I can't pretend to know his mind, but the OHMSS thing amuses me because the film shows that none of that flashiness was necessary! :)

    I've read the novel and Fleming's structure is great, but, as I say, the films have been linear, so I stand by my theory and firm belief Cary will follow clean and clear storytelling, following the linear structure of the past films, so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in different periods of the - fairly - recent past, then the Titles, and then Jamaica in the present. An ordered timeline which the audience can easily follow.

    Do you know the director personally?
    I'm sure it probably will be linear: I'm not actually claiming it won't be! :)

    No, but I have friends working with him right now who have highly rated his clarity and sure footed approach, and of course his previous productions speak for themselves in terms of his sharp, no-nonsense storytelling, even with True Detective, which did play with time, or Maniac which played with reality, there was still absolute clarity. And, for me, the clear way to tell the story is just how I've outlined in earlier posts.

    Sure, but without knowing what the story is we can't really know the best way to tell it! :)
  • Posts: 14,800
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Look at the nose and ear. Same guy - Sebastien Soudais, Rami Malek's stunt double?

    ThINPrO.jpg

    Looks like the main villain will have a burnt face.

    Yeah I guess the spooky Phantom-style mask is Malek's look.

    I really like that mask. Not practical but very cool.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    Posts: 1,003
    Anyone who doesn’t believe that the stunt double listed on IMDB who also confirmed in a message that she’s playing the young Swann double followed by her instagram story AT PINEWOOD. Doing underwater scenes for the PTS...

    Total idiots.

    Maybe grow a pair or learn English.

    There’s also a good 200 pages back full of info.

    That’s confirmed to be maleks double.. Again he posted photos next to the Norway cabin.

    Either way believe what you want.

    I’ll just be laughing when it’s in the trailer!
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,483
    I wonder if Malek will talk about the film at all during his chat shows run this week? (Sorry if someone has already asked this)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2019 Posts: 14,861
    Anyone who doesn’t believe that the stunt double listed on IMDB who also confirmed in a message that she’s playing the young Swann double followed by her instagram story AT PINEWOOD. Doing underwater scenes for the PTS...



    There’s also a good 200 pages back full of info.

    That’s confirmed to be maleks double.. Again he posted photos next to the Norway cabin.

    Either way believe what you want.

    I’ll just be laughing when it’s in the trailer!

    But then we also had someone saying that the appeal for a young actress who looks like Seydoux was definitely for this film when in fact it wasn't certain if it was? I'm happy to see this instagram message but I'm not exactly convinced by this so far. It may well turn out to be true but I'm not '110%' convinced just yet.

    I'll ignore this stuff..
    Total idiots.

    Maybe grow a pair or learn English.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    Anyone who doesn’t believe that the stunt double listed on IMDB who also confirmed in a message that she’s playing the young Swann double followed by her instagram story AT PINEWOOD. Doing underwater scenes for the PTS...

    Total idiots.

    Maybe grow a pair or learn English.

    There’s also a good 200 pages back full of info.

    That’s confirmed to be maleks double.. Again he posted photos next to the Norway cabin.

    Either way believe what you want.

    I’ll just be laughing when it’s in the trailer!
    Your attitude leaves much to be desired.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    Posts: 1,003
    So a blonde stuntwoman snuck into the pinewood lot, went to the water tank with a suit on, posted photos on her story and added herself to the stunt team as young Madeleine in an elaborate scheme to jump start her career.

    Wow absolutely amazing. True dedication.

    And then Rami Malek’s stunt man took photos in front of the cabin in the snow just to confuse everyone.

    CJF is a master in confusing the fans. Insane!
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    Posts: 8,009
    Anyone who doesn’t believe that the stunt double listed on IMDB who also confirmed in a message that she’s playing the young Swann double followed by her instagram story AT PINEWOOD. Doing underwater scenes for the PTS...

    Total idiots.

    Maybe grow a pair or learn English.

    There’s also a good 200 pages back full of info.

    That’s confirmed to be maleks double.. Again he posted photos next to the Norway cabin.

    Either way believe what you want.

    I’ll just be laughing when it’s in the trailer!

    This attitude sucks so hard, man.
    No need for it whatsoever, especially if you are so confident in what you say. Better off just sitting back and letting the film prove you right.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2019 Posts: 14,861
    Yeah I've had a look at her Instagram, and someone (from here probably!) appears to ask her if she's playing young Maddy, but I can't see a reply to it..?



    And she says she's in it here, 'stunt doubling in one of the scenes' but still no mention of Young Swann...? Am I missing something or is my English worse than I thought? :)



    She may well have put herself on IMDB (probably the most likely candidate) so it may well be true, but I'm not seeing the evidence that is claimed to be there.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    edited September 2019 Posts: 1,003
    It’s absolutely ridiculous to clog up a thread telling people their wrong. When there’s obvious proof out there. Not only that but I run a Bond fan page with almost 10K followers. Craig’s daughter follows me, jani, production assistants, makeup artists, Lazenby etc.

    I get my sources from those connected with pinewood and people who work on the film.

    For example, a man who worked on game of thrones and the walking dead as a prosthetics artist is doing prosthetics for NTTD.

    So that means that someone in this film requires prosthetics.

    Blofeld or possibly Malek (the scar on his double).

    It’s all about piecing together the puzzles.

    What’s irritating is when this news came out 3 months ago and we have people going at everyone’s throats saying they are wrong.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2019 Posts: 14,861
    What’s irritating is when this news came out 3 months ago and we have people going at everyone’s throats saying they are wrong.

    There's only one person doing that... ;)

    Where did you see this Insta message that she confirmed she was young Maddie? I'm totally open-minded on this; it may well be true.
  • Posts: 1,452
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.

    Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.

    I honestly believe Cary will take the straightest path (I know I would in his shoes, if I was ever so lucky), so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in the past), Titles, Jamaica in the here and now. Just good clean storytelling - no gimmicks that may confuse the storytelling for no good reason.

    I always love how the novel of OHMSS is full of flashbacks and all sorts of playing around with time as Fleming liked to do (especially at the opening of his novels) but the film dispenses with all that, but keeps the scenes in the same order! :) Much less fuss and it still works.

    It's much easier to play with time that way in a novel than it is in a film. Of course many films do use complex flashbacks and structure for dramatic purpose, but the Bond films have always unfolded with linear structures. I don't see Cary messing with that.

    I don't know what he'll do; I can't pretend to know his mind, but the OHMSS thing amuses me because the film shows that none of that flashiness was necessary! :)

    I've read the novel and Fleming's structure is great, but, as I say, the films have been linear, so I stand by my theory and firm belief Cary will follow clean and clear storytelling, following the linear structure of the past films, so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in different periods of the - fairly - recent past, then the Titles, and then Jamaica in the present. An ordered timeline which the audience can easily follow.

    Do you know the director personally?
    I'm sure it probably will be linear: I'm not actually claiming it won't be! :)

    No, but I have friends working with him right now who have highly rated his clarity and sure footed approach, and of course his previous productions speak for themselves in terms of his sharp, no-nonsense storytelling, even with True Detective, which did play with time, or Maniac which played with reality, there was still absolute clarity. And, for me, the clear way to tell the story is just how I've outlined in earlier posts.

    Sure, but without knowing what the story is we can't really know the best way to tell it! :)

    I'm saying this, we know Norway is at the start, we know Matera is next, and it is highly likely these two sequences are set in the past (Norway earlier, Matera just after SP) and Jamaica is, as we also know, set in the present, and so what I am saying, very clearly, is the sequences/scenes follow a linear structure, because we already know that is the case in terms of the clapperboards and scenes numbers we have seen. So, without even having to know the story, it's not too difficult to figure out the direction this is going in. I'm sure u agree.

  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    edited September 2019 Posts: 1,003
    mtm wrote: »
    What’s irritating is when this news came out 3 months ago and we have people going at everyone’s throats saying they are wrong.

    There's only one person doing that... ;)

    Where did you see this Insta message that she confirmed she was young Maddie? I'm totally open-minded on this; it may well be true.

    A friend of mine (runs several Facebook Bond pages), messaged her on Facebook.

    I’ll bet money on it.

  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
    Posts: 564
    mtm wrote: »
    What’s irritating is when this news came out 3 months ago and we have people going at everyone’s throats saying they are wrong.

    There's only one person doing that... ;)

    Where did you see this Insta message that she confirmed she was young Maddie? I'm totally open-minded on this; it may well be true.

    A friend of mine (runs several Facebook Bond pages), messaged her on Facebook.

    I’ll bet money on it.

    Nice, thanks for the information
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 14,861
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.

    Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.

    I honestly believe Cary will take the straightest path (I know I would in his shoes, if I was ever so lucky), so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in the past), Titles, Jamaica in the here and now. Just good clean storytelling - no gimmicks that may confuse the storytelling for no good reason.

    I always love how the novel of OHMSS is full of flashbacks and all sorts of playing around with time as Fleming liked to do (especially at the opening of his novels) but the film dispenses with all that, but keeps the scenes in the same order! :) Much less fuss and it still works.

    It's much easier to play with time that way in a novel than it is in a film. Of course many films do use complex flashbacks and structure for dramatic purpose, but the Bond films have always unfolded with linear structures. I don't see Cary messing with that.

    I don't know what he'll do; I can't pretend to know his mind, but the OHMSS thing amuses me because the film shows that none of that flashiness was necessary! :)

    I've read the novel and Fleming's structure is great, but, as I say, the films have been linear, so I stand by my theory and firm belief Cary will follow clean and clear storytelling, following the linear structure of the past films, so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in different periods of the - fairly - recent past, then the Titles, and then Jamaica in the present. An ordered timeline which the audience can easily follow.

    Do you know the director personally?
    I'm sure it probably will be linear: I'm not actually claiming it won't be! :)

    No, but I have friends working with him right now who have highly rated his clarity and sure footed approach, and of course his previous productions speak for themselves in terms of his sharp, no-nonsense storytelling, even with True Detective, which did play with time, or Maniac which played with reality, there was still absolute clarity. And, for me, the clear way to tell the story is just how I've outlined in earlier posts.

    Sure, but without knowing what the story is we can't really know the best way to tell it! :)

    I'm saying this, we know Norway is at the start, we know Matera is next, and it is highly likely these two sequences are set in the past (Norway earlier, Matera just after SP) and Jamaica is, as we also know, set in the present, and so what I am saying, very clearly, is the sequences/scenes follow a linear structure, because we already know that is the case in terms of the clapperboards and scenes numbers we have seen. So, without even having to know the story, it's not too difficult to figure out the direction this is going in. I'm sure u agree.

    Well, no; we don't know. We just know they follow each other in the film.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
    edited September 2019 Posts: 3,018
    It’s absolutely ridiculous to clog up a thread telling people their wrong. When there’s obvious proof out there. Not only that but I run a Bond fan page with almost 10K followers. Craig’s daughter follows me, jani, production assistants, makeup artists, Lazenby etc.

    I get my sources from those connected with pinewood and people who work on the film.

    For example, a man who worked on game of thrones and the walking dead as a prosthetics artist is doing prosthetics for NTTD.

    So that means that someone in this film requires prosthetics.

    Blofeld or possibly Malek (the scar on his double).

    GoT's make-up wizard Barrie Gower working on NTTD is not a exactly secret. In the two hour GoT-special in may Barrie talked briefly about working on new Bond. Guessing EON even hired his wife as well since they work together as a team.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,518
    Anyone who doesn’t believe that the stunt double listed on IMDB who also confirmed in a message that she’s playing the young Swann double followed by her instagram story AT PINEWOOD. Doing underwater scenes for the PTS...

    Total idiots.

    Maybe grow a pair or learn English.

    There’s also a good 200 pages back full of info.

    That’s confirmed to be maleks double.. Again he posted photos next to the Norway cabin.

    Either way believe what you want.

    I’ll just be laughing when it’s in the trailer!

    Your attitude has been awful at least since I’ve joined the boards. Calling people idiots should have you banned.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2019 Posts: 14,861
    mtm wrote: »
    What’s irritating is when this news came out 3 months ago and we have people going at everyone’s throats saying they are wrong.

    There's only one person doing that... ;)

    Where did you see this Insta message that she confirmed she was young Maddie? I'm totally open-minded on this; it may well be true.

    A friend of mine (runs several Facebook Bond pages), messaged her on Facebook.

    I’ll bet money on it.

    Hmm, okay. Your story is shifting around quite a bit (earlier she confirmed she was playing the girl on the lake, now it's definitely Madeleine) and conveniently no one else has seen this message, combine that with the insults and anger and odd tangent about 10k followers and I find it hard to take your word on that. The vibe I'm getting is 'unreliable'.

    But sure, it may well turn out to be a flashback: I certainly wouldn't put money on it either way. I'll be interested to see how it works with Malek being there. To be honest for all we know it could be a dream sequence!
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    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.

    Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.

    I honestly believe Cary will take the straightest path (I know I would in his shoes, if I was ever so lucky), so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in the past), Titles, Jamaica in the here and now. Just good clean storytelling - no gimmicks that may confuse the storytelling for no good reason.

    I always love how the novel of OHMSS is full of flashbacks and all sorts of playing around with time as Fleming liked to do (especially at the opening of his novels) but the film dispenses with all that, but keeps the scenes in the same order! :) Much less fuss and it still works.

    It's much easier to play with time that way in a novel than it is in a film. Of course many films do use complex flashbacks and structure for dramatic purpose, but the Bond films have always unfolded with linear structures. I don't see Cary messing with that.

    I don't know what he'll do; I can't pretend to know his mind, but the OHMSS thing amuses me because the film shows that none of that flashiness was necessary! :)

    I've read the novel and Fleming's structure is great, but, as I say, the films have been linear, so I stand by my theory and firm belief Cary will follow clean and clear storytelling, following the linear structure of the past films, so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in different periods of the - fairly - recent past, then the Titles, and then Jamaica in the present. An ordered timeline which the audience can easily follow.

    Do you know the director personally?
    I'm sure it probably will be linear: I'm not actually claiming it won't be! :)

    No, but I have friends working with him right now who have highly rated his clarity and sure footed approach, and of course his previous productions speak for themselves in terms of his sharp, no-nonsense storytelling, even with True Detective, which did play with time, or Maniac which played with reality, there was still absolute clarity. And, for me, the clear way to tell the story is just how I've outlined in earlier posts.

    Sure, but without knowing what the story is we can't really know the best way to tell it! :)

    I'm saying this, we know Norway is at the start, we know Matera is next, and it is highly likely these two sequences are set in the past (Norway earlier, Matera just after SP) and Jamaica is, as we also know, set in the present, and so what I am saying, very clearly, is the sequences/scenes follow a linear structure, because we already know that is the case in terms of the clapperboards and scenes numbers we have seen. So, without even having to know the story, it's not too difficult to figure out the direction this is going in. I'm sure u agree.

    Well, no; we don't know. We just know they follow each other in the film.

    That's linear storytelling. And you have just agreed, "We just know they follow each other in the film." That is linear, even if Norway is not in the past (but I bet it is or else why the young Madeleine?), and Matera directly follows on with the DB5 as seen at the end of SP with Bond and Madeleine together, and then we jump to Jamaica and Bond alone, which we know is the present. Join the dots, my friend. It's not rocket science.

  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited September 2019 Posts: 5,834

    She’s quite reliable with this stuff. Known for having good sources.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2019 Posts: 14,861
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    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.

    Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.

    I honestly believe Cary will take the straightest path (I know I would in his shoes, if I was ever so lucky), so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in the past), Titles, Jamaica in the here and now. Just good clean storytelling - no gimmicks that may confuse the storytelling for no good reason.

    I always love how the novel of OHMSS is full of flashbacks and all sorts of playing around with time as Fleming liked to do (especially at the opening of his novels) but the film dispenses with all that, but keeps the scenes in the same order! :) Much less fuss and it still works.

    It's much easier to play with time that way in a novel than it is in a film. Of course many films do use complex flashbacks and structure for dramatic purpose, but the Bond films have always unfolded with linear structures. I don't see Cary messing with that.

    I don't know what he'll do; I can't pretend to know his mind, but the OHMSS thing amuses me because the film shows that none of that flashiness was necessary! :)

    I've read the novel and Fleming's structure is great, but, as I say, the films have been linear, so I stand by my theory and firm belief Cary will follow clean and clear storytelling, following the linear structure of the past films, so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in different periods of the - fairly - recent past, then the Titles, and then Jamaica in the present. An ordered timeline which the audience can easily follow.

    Do you know the director personally?
    I'm sure it probably will be linear: I'm not actually claiming it won't be! :)

    No, but I have friends working with him right now who have highly rated his clarity and sure footed approach, and of course his previous productions speak for themselves in terms of his sharp, no-nonsense storytelling, even with True Detective, which did play with time, or Maniac which played with reality, there was still absolute clarity. And, for me, the clear way to tell the story is just how I've outlined in earlier posts.

    Sure, but without knowing what the story is we can't really know the best way to tell it! :)

    I'm saying this, we know Norway is at the start, we know Matera is next, and it is highly likely these two sequences are set in the past (Norway earlier, Matera just after SP) and Jamaica is, as we also know, set in the present, and so what I am saying, very clearly, is the sequences/scenes follow a linear structure, because we already know that is the case in terms of the clapperboards and scenes numbers we have seen. So, without even having to know the story, it's not too difficult to figure out the direction this is going in. I'm sure u agree.

    Well, no; we don't know. We just know they follow each other in the film.

    That's linear storytelling. And you have just agreed, "We just know they follow each other in the film." That is linear, even if Norway is not in the past (but I bet it is or else why the young Madeleine?), and Matera directly follows on with the DB5 as seen at the end of SP with Bond and Madeleine together, and then we jump to Jamaica and Bond alone, which we know is the present. Join the dots, my friend. It's not rocket science.

    Eh? I was saying 'no, we don't know for sure if those scenes are set in the past'; I'm not claiming they're out of order. I made an observation about OHMSS: I wasn't saying that had any relevance to this film at all. You seem to be determined to argue about this when I don't see there's anything to argue about: I agree that those scenes follow each other in roughly that order - I just said that.

    As to whether they're set years previously or not we don't know. There is no concrete proof that there is a young Madeleine, and with what appears to be a young blonde girl seen on set with Seydoux and Lynch, and Malek present in this 'flashback', it doesn't look certain at all. Please don't try to patronise me with 'rocket science'.

    I'm going to say the opening on the ice is a dream sequence. Look at how M.I Fallout opened. Prove me wrong :)
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited September 2019 Posts: 4,343
    Calling people idiots should have you banned.

    Calling people idiots after believing the grave Bond visits in Matera would've been Mrs. 6 minutes of screen-time Lucia's from SP puts a smile on my face.
    Denbigh wrote: »

    She’s quite reliable with this stuff.

    Hopefully her "source" is not this forum. XD
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited September 2019 Posts: 5,834
    matt_u wrote: »
    Calling people idiots should have you banned.

    Calling people idiots after believing the grave Bond visits in Matera would've been Mrs. 6 minutes of screen-time Lucia's from SP puts a smile on my face.
    Denbigh wrote: »

    She’s quite reliable with this stuff.

    Hopefully her "source" is not this forum. XD
    Haha definitely not @matt_u

    She has good sources within the industry.
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    Let’s be respectful to all involved and make this forum fun and informative.
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