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  • HemanttydHemanttyd India
    Posts: 14
    Hemanttyd wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Look at the nose and ear. Same guy - Sebastien Soudais, Rami Malek's stunt double?

    ThINPrO.jpg

    Already confirmed to be him aka Rami’s character.

    His double posted photos on his Instagram story in Norway while they were filming.

    So looking pretty unlikely to be a flashback unless Bond and Rami never meet?

    That would also mean that the girl is not young madeline...

    A Bond fan messaged the girl listed on IMDB as “young Madeleine Swann stunt double”

    She confirmed she’s playing the girl on the lake...

    She also shot underwater scenes at pinewood.

    Posted on her instagram story lol.

    I really do believe Malek is using some science to stay young..

    110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed.

    Of course people don’t believe IMDB or the photos or her stunt double saying she’s young Swann (she’s 20) but that’s common.

    Does that mean we are getting bond less PTS?
  • Hemanttyd wrote: »
    Hemanttyd wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Look at the nose and ear. Same guy - Sebastien Soudais, Rami Malek's stunt double?

    ThINPrO.jpg

    Already confirmed to be him aka Rami’s character.

    His double posted photos on his Instagram story in Norway while they were filming.

    So looking pretty unlikely to be a flashback unless Bond and Rami never meet?

    That would also mean that the girl is not young madeline...

    A Bond fan messaged the girl listed on IMDB as “young Madeleine Swann stunt double”

    She confirmed she’s playing the girl on the lake...

    She also shot underwater scenes at pinewood.

    Posted on her instagram story lol.

    I really do believe Malek is using some science to stay young..

    110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed.

    Of course people don’t believe IMDB or the photos or her stunt double saying she’s young Swann (she’s 20) but that’s common.

    Does that mean we are getting bond less PTS?

    Would be the first time since The Man with the Golden Gun, albeit with a visually shaking Bond 'mannequin'.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    Posts: 1,003
    Hemanttyd wrote: »
    Hemanttyd wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Look at the nose and ear. Same guy - Sebastien Soudais, Rami Malek's stunt double?

    ThINPrO.jpg

    Already confirmed to be him aka Rami’s character.

    His double posted photos on his Instagram story in Norway while they were filming.

    So looking pretty unlikely to be a flashback unless Bond and Rami never meet?

    That would also mean that the girl is not young madeline...

    A Bond fan messaged the girl listed on IMDB as “young Madeleine Swann stunt double”

    She confirmed she’s playing the girl on the lake...

    She also shot underwater scenes at pinewood.

    Posted on her instagram story lol.

    I really do believe Malek is using some science to stay young..

    110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed.

    Of course people don’t believe IMDB or the photos or her stunt double saying she’s young Swann (she’s 20) but that’s common.

    Does that mean we are getting bond less PTS?

    Would be the first time since The Man with the Golden Gun, albeit with a visually shaking Bond 'mannequin'.


    I’m fine with that. Sets the film up and establishes the villain/plot.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2019 Posts: 14,861
    Hemanttyd wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Look at the nose and ear. Same guy - Sebastien Soudais, Rami Malek's stunt double?

    ThINPrO.jpg

    Already confirmed to be him aka Rami’s character.

    His double posted photos on his Instagram story in Norway while they were filming.

    So looking pretty unlikely to be a flashback unless Bond and Rami never meet?

    That would also mean that the girl is not young madeline...

    A Bond fan messaged the girl listed on IMDB as “young Madeleine Swann stunt double”

    She confirmed she’s playing the girl on the lake...

    She also shot underwater scenes at pinewood.

    Posted on her instagram story lol.

    I really do believe Malek is using some science to stay young..

    110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed.

    Of course people don’t believe IMDB or the photos or her stunt double saying she’s young Swann (she’s 20) but that’s common.

    IMDB is listed by folks like you and me though: you know it's untrustworthy. And the woman said she was playing the girl on the lake? Did she actually say she was Madeline as well, in those words?
    Anything's possible but I'm not seeing confirmation here.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited September 2019 Posts: 5,834
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?
  • HemanttydHemanttyd India
    Posts: 14
    Malek and ana de armas should feature in trailer..... And whishaw
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2019 Posts: 14,861
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.
  • GertGettlerGertGettler Laptop Barcelona
    Posts: 431
    Benny wrote: »
    Ok gents please. It's obvious that no one is going to back down. So let's leave it there please.
    Thanks

    How wonderful gentle your warning is:-). Don't you think that some wordings like "pissing on someone's grandkids" is perhaps more offensive than certain pre-listed words from the 'from the moderator manual'? And not just that, but also how such wordings are used in particular contexts?
  • Posts: 1,452
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



  • edited September 2019 Posts: 3,160
    “We’ve already filmed in Norway for a week,” the actor told press, including Digital Spy.

    "We went to the moon in 1969" doesn't necessarily mean that both you and I were there :-) He could be speaking on behalf of the production team.
  • ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.

    Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.
  • Posts: 1,452
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.

    Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.

    I honestly believe Cary will take the straightest path (I know I would in his shoes, if I was ever so lucky), so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in the past), Titles, Jamaica in the here and now. Just good clean storytelling - no gimmicks that may confuse the storytelling for no good reason.

  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    Posts: 5,834
    I’m imagining it like CR...

    Prague = Norway
    Title Sequence
    Madagascar = Matera

    But who knows? The clapperboards suggest otherwise but we’ll see.
  • Posts: 3,160
    So a PTS with almost 60 scenes and the main titles kicking in at the 35-40 minute mark!?
    Really?
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 14,811
    Benny wrote: »
    Ok gents please. It's obvious that no one is going to back down. So let's leave it there please.
    Thanks

    How wonderful gentle your warning is:-). Don't you think that some wordings like "pissing on someone's grandkids" is perhaps more offensive than certain pre-listed words from the 'from the moderator manual'? And not just that, but also how such wordings are used in particular contexts?

    Gert please don't tell me how I should handle a situation.
    Does this have anything to do with you? No.
    Not everything is black and white old fellow.
    Section 26 paragraph 5, that information is on a need to know basis. Sure you understand. ;)
  • Posts: 1,452
    Denbigh wrote: »
    I’m imagining it like CR...

    Prague = Norway
    Title Sequence
    Madagascar = Matera

    But who knows? The clapperboards suggest otherwise but we’ll see.

    As I say, because Norway is (very likely) set in the past (20 + years), it follows Matera is post SP (4-5 years in the past), so the cleanest way to play this is to have both the past set sequences (Norway and Matera) happen as pre-title, (this also directly links young Madeleine - in Norway - to the older Madeleine with Bond in Matera, a good transition,) and then the Titles are a neat segue to the present. That's just clear and clean storytelling, and I'm betting that's the way it will unfold.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 14,861
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.

    Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.

    I honestly believe Cary will take the straightest path (I know I would in his shoes, if I was ever so lucky), so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in the past), Titles, Jamaica in the here and now. Just good clean storytelling - no gimmicks that may confuse the storytelling for no good reason.

    I always love how the novel of OHMSS is full of flashbacks and all sorts of playing around with time as Fleming liked to do (especially at the opening of his novels) but the film dispenses with all that, but keeps the scenes in the same order! :) Much less fuss and it still works.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited September 2019 Posts: 14,861
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase)

    Complete tangent, but if your agent turned up dead in Germany dressed as clown, where would you send your man to investigate? The nearest place to his death in Germany where you might find clown outfits, say a circus? Nah: India of course! :)
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    Why there is 200 msg today in this post while there is nothing new (info, photo or video) of B25 ?
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    Contraband wrote: »
    Look at the nose and ear. Same guy - Sebastien Soudais, Rami Malek's stunt double?

    ThINPrO.jpg

    Looks like the main villain will have a burnt face.
  • AgentJamesBond007AgentJamesBond007 Vesper’s grave
    Posts: 2,630
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Look at the nose and ear. Same guy - Sebastien Soudais, Rami Malek's stunt double?

    ThINPrO.jpg

    Looks like the main villain will have a burnt face.
    I wonder if it'll be prosthetics or CGI on Malek. If the one for Rami's stunt double is more for wide shots, then for close shots they could use CGI.
  • Posts: 1,452
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.

    Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.

    I honestly believe Cary will take the straightest path (I know I would in his shoes, if I was ever so lucky), so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in the past), Titles, Jamaica in the here and now. Just good clean storytelling - no gimmicks that may confuse the storytelling for no good reason.

    I always love how the novel of OHMSS is full of flashbacks and all sorts of playing around with time as Fleming liked to do (especially at the opening of his novels) but the film dispenses with all that, but keeps the scenes in the same order! :) Much less fuss and it still works.

    It's much easier to play with time that way in a novel than it is in a film. Of course many films do use complex flashbacks and structure for dramatic purpose, but the Bond films have always unfolded with linear structures. I don't see Cary messing with that.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Why there is 200 msg today in this post while there is nothing new (info, photo or video) of B25 ?

    Just a little quarrel about something else.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 14,861
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Look at the nose and ear. Same guy - Sebastien Soudais, Rami Malek's stunt double?

    ThINPrO.jpg

    Looks like the main villain will have a burnt face.

    Yeah I guess the spooky Phantom-style mask is Malek's look.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 14,861
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.

    Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.

    I honestly believe Cary will take the straightest path (I know I would in his shoes, if I was ever so lucky), so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in the past), Titles, Jamaica in the here and now. Just good clean storytelling - no gimmicks that may confuse the storytelling for no good reason.

    I always love how the novel of OHMSS is full of flashbacks and all sorts of playing around with time as Fleming liked to do (especially at the opening of his novels) but the film dispenses with all that, but keeps the scenes in the same order! :) Much less fuss and it still works.

    It's much easier to play with time that way in a novel than it is in a film. Of course many films do use complex flashbacks and structure for dramatic purpose, but the Bond films have always unfolded with linear structures. I don't see Cary messing with that.

    I don't know what he'll do; I can't pretend to know his mind, but the OHMSS thing amuses me because the film shows that none of that flashiness was necessary! :)
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited September 2019 Posts: 4,548
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.

    Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.

    @CASINOROYALE is the main source on the Norway frozen lake scene being a flashback: he is sticking to his guns. I am not convinced that that scene is a flashback, especially if it is part of the PTS--as the clapperboards would suggest.

    More than likely, the Norway cabin scene is merely the kidnapping of the scientist, and the girl is his daughter. The masked man is Malek's villain. How the girl factors into all of this--whether she escapes or is kidnapped or dies--is anyone's guess.

    If the girl is connected to Madeleine at all, then I am still thinking ...
    she is her daughter. And all of this buzz we have been hearing about Madeleine betraying Bond probably has something to do with her not telling him she has a child...and an ex-husband out there who, in all likelihood, is the scientist SPECTRE has abducted.
  • Posts: 1,452
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase), but I think since there's going to be a timeskip between Matera and Jamaica, it makes sense to use the titles as a break. Open in Norway, then go to Matera, then titles. Sounds good to me.

    Scary thought: what if they use the gunbarrel as a break between Norway and Matera? So cold open in Norway, gunbarrel, Matera, titles, Jamaica. Obviously the GB should be at the start but I wouldn't put anything past them at this point, I can definitely see someone at EON thinking that'd be a good idea.

    I honestly believe Cary will take the straightest path (I know I would in his shoes, if I was ever so lucky), so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in the past), Titles, Jamaica in the here and now. Just good clean storytelling - no gimmicks that may confuse the storytelling for no good reason.

    I always love how the novel of OHMSS is full of flashbacks and all sorts of playing around with time as Fleming liked to do (especially at the opening of his novels) but the film dispenses with all that, but keeps the scenes in the same order! :) Much less fuss and it still works.

    It's much easier to play with time that way in a novel than it is in a film. Of course many films do use complex flashbacks and structure for dramatic purpose, but the Bond films have always unfolded with linear structures. I don't see Cary messing with that.

    I don't know what he'll do; I can't pretend to know his mind, but the OHMSS thing amuses me because the film shows that none of that flashiness was necessary! :)

    I've read the novel and Fleming's structure is great, but, as I say, the films have been linear, so I stand by my theory and firm belief Cary will follow clean and clear storytelling, following the linear structure of the past films, so GB, Norway, Matera (both set in different periods of the - fairly - recent past, then the Titles, and then Jamaica in the present. An ordered timeline which the audience can easily follow.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 7,889
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Look at the nose and ear. Same guy - Sebastien Soudais, Rami Malek's stunt double?

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    Looks like the main villain will have a burnt face.
    I wonder if it'll be prosthetics or CGI on Malek. If the one for Rami's stunt double is more for wide shots, then for close shots they could use CGI.
    More than likely a prosthetics, unless they are doing an injury that is so severe that it shows the under structure of the face , as was done with Two Face in Nolan’s Batman.
    Here, the prosthetics is much more likely.

  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,548
    mtm wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    @mtm nothing is confirmed, flashback or not. If the trailers don't give it away, we'll have to wait till the film, or maybe someone will let something slip during a press junket, maybe Lea herself?

    Exactly: it is most certainly not "110% Malek and young Swann in the opening and it’s definitely confirmed."

    I feel like the idea of it being flashback came from when folks saw the photos of filming initially and then everything since has been adjusted to fit with that in a sort of confirmation bias. It seems less likely that he cannot age than it not being a flashback, no? Both are possible, but one is more likely than the other.

    I think the Norway scenes are simply just set 20 or so years in the past, the late '90's, just like the GE pre-title was 9 years before events in the rest of the film. Therefore Norway is not a flashback, just set earlier. And, because this is set in the past, that's why Norway starts the film, and then we catch up with post SP with Bond and Madeleine in Matera. Whether or not ALL of this is pre-title is yet to be revealed. If it is, it means we have a long, 20 min + pre-title (and we've heard rumours that the pre-title will be long.) After the titles, we are in the present where we find Bond living alone in Jamaica. To me, that makes logical and dramatic sense. The 2 pre-title sequences are both set in the past, one 20 + years ago, the second one 4-5 years back, and then after the titles, we are up to the present. Nice and clean.



    Yeah don't get me wrong I don't think all the pre titles need a big action scene (OP should have opened with the clown chase)

    Complete tangent, but if your agent turned up dead in Germany dressed as clown, where would you send your man to investigate? The nearest place to his death in Germany where you might find clown outfits, say a circus? Nah: India of course! :)

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    Zekidk wrote: »
    “We’ve already filmed in Norway for a week,” the actor told press, including Digital Spy.

    "We went to the moon in 1969" doesn't necessarily mean that both you and I were there :-) He could be speaking on behalf of the production team.

    Of course he could. I just shared the quote I found.
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