Your Ultimate Bond Timeline

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe JK ROFLing
    Posts: 7,073
    I would have really preferred if Craigs era had ended with SP, and then we could have had a new Bond in the role for 2019/20. Now it will be a stretch to hit the 60th anniversary in 2022, which is a bit of a shame.
  • aks1113aks1113 ...how the hell do we get those diamonds down again?
    edited June 2019 Posts: 6
    I have two ideal scenarios of how I'd have liked the Bond series to go:
    Scenario 1:
    Sean Connery
    1962 - Dr. No
    1963 - From Russia, with Love
    1964 - Goldfinger (remove or change the totally consensual ranch scenes)
    1965 - Thunderball (Kevin McClory and co get proper credit on the novel, preventing legal difficulties. Trim down the underwater footage so the audience doesn't fall asleep.)
    1967 - On Her Majesty's Secret Service (the same film, just with Sean and a slightly shorter 1st half)
    1969 - You Only Live Twice (Revenge story, based on the novel, but with more action. Savalas and Steppat return as Blofeld and Irma Bunt, respectively. Ken Adam's brilliant volcano set is used here for the climax, which remains more or less the same from our 1967 film. Nancy Sinatra still does her theme song. Blofeld and Irma Bunt die here, on-screen, by 007's hand.)

    Roger Moore
    1971 - Diamonds Are Forever (keep Jill St. John and Wint & Kidd, but otherwise completely different
    and based on the novel. Shirley Bassey still does the theme song.)
    1973 - Live and Let Die (cut down JW Pepper)
    1974 - The Man with the Golden Gun (Christopher Lee as Scaramanga. A mix of the novel and film.)
    1977 - The Spy Who Loved Me
    1979 - Moonraker (I don't mind this movie as much as some people do and think it's a necessary high for the series, but it still should get some changes. Get rid of Bondola, double taking pigeon, dial down the crazyness of the boat battle, get rid of the snake fight, "Well, here's to us", incorporate a bit more from the novel such as Gala Brand.)
    1981 - For Your Eyes Only (Blofeld's arc met an end in 1969, so the PTS must be the sinking of the ship and/or the Havelocks' murder.)
    1983 - Octopussy (keep the film more in tone with the Cold War 2nd half. get rid of Tarzan, ssssssit, 'Get off my bed' etc)

    Timothy Dalton
    1985 - From a View to a Kill
    1987 - The Living Daylights
    1989 - Licence to Kill (The deaths are less gory, resulting in a lower rating and more BO revenue.)
    1991 - Never Say Die (The Bond 17 treatment, with the robots toned down a bit. Released before the fall of the Soviet Union.)

    Pierce Brosnan
    1995 - GoldenEye
    1997 - Tomorrow Never Dies (make it a bit more serious, remove Carver's cringeworthy dialogue. "Delicious." haunts me.)
    1999 - The World Is Not Enough (flesh out Elektra and Renard's characters, especially Renard. Have mercy on the audience and get rid of the Christmas jokes.)
    2002 - Die Another Day (remove the cringe)

    Daniel Craig
    2006 - Casino Royale
    2009 - Quantum of Solace (delaying the film dodges the Writer's Strike and the end result is a vastly better film. No revenge subplot and better editing.)
    2012 - Skyfall
    2015 - SPECTRE (I want a rewrite of the whole thing. Make Madeleine a more interesting Bond Girl. No Austin Powers twist. Silva is not tied to SPECTRE.)
    I'll leave it at that.

    Scenario 2:

    The films themselves are as they are in Scenario 1 unless specified not.

    Sean Connery
    1962 - Dr. No
    1963 - From Russia, with Love
    1964 - Goldfinger
    1965 - Thunderball
    1967 - You Only Live Twice (Connery is given a pay raise and extra security, and therefore is more enthusiastic and gives a better performance. There's no "Turning Japanese" (I really think so) ridiculousness. Otherwise, this is YOLT '67 as we have it.)

    Roger Moore
    1969 - On Her Majesty's Secret Service (I might get a lot of flak for this, but I feel a young Roger Moore could have pulled this off really well. Diana Rigg, Ilse Steppat, Gabrielle Ferzetti and Telly Savalas return.)
    1971 - Diamonds are Forever (A proper completely different revenge plot. I feel like Moore's acting abilities are judged unfairly off the quality of the scripts he was given and I think he could do the drunk, depressed and then full of anger Bond the story calls for - see The Man Who Haunted Himself. Jill St. John returns and Telly Savalas is back for one final go-around. Ilse Steppat, in reality, would be dead in 1971 [RIP], but in this scenario she can either be alive to reprise her role or replaced by another actress.)
    1973 - Live and Let Die
    1974 - The Man with the Golden Gun
    1977 - The Spy Who Loved Me
    1979 - Moonraker
    1981 - For Your Eyes Only (Again, the current PTS would have to go entirely, to be replaced with the Havelocks' assassination and/or the sinking ship.)

    George Lazenby (Kevin McClory recruits the services of an Australian model who narrowly
    lost the official role in 1969 for his Thunderball remake.)
    1983 - Never Say Never Again (The film still loses against Octopussy at the box office, but is a country mile better than our version.)

    Timothy Dalton
    1983 - Octopussy
    1985 - From a View to a Kill
    1987 - The Living Daylights
    1989 - Licence to Kill
    1995 - GoldenEye

    Pierce Brosnan:
    1997 - Tomorrow Never Dies
    1999 - The World Is Not Enough
    2002 - Die Another Day
    2004 - NightFire (Based on the videogame, maybe with a different finale to avoid being a
    Moonraker retread.)

    Daniel Craig
    2006 - Casino Royale
    2009 - Quantum of Solace
    2012 - Skyfall
    2015 - SPECTRE

    How's that?
    Edit: Ok, that's enough editing to perfection..
  • Puggle07Puggle07 Ada
    Posts: 4
    Okay, bear with me, but reading through this thread today, I came up with my own (not perfect) timeline theory-ideal order, based around Judi Dench's two versions of "M" and the alternate Blofeld (Spectre and Bond 25?)

    Hear me out- there are some inconsistencies. I figure "Q" goes on Vacation in TWINE and DAD, since he'll come back in The Living Daylights as Desmond Llewyn based on Timeline 2. Also, not sure how to reconcile Diamonds are Forever, so I created Timeline 3 to address Spectre, and the odd Blofeld in DAF.

    What I do like is it keeps much of the same release order of the films, but helps create a story around it (my own way to fill in the gaps), so that they make sense.

    Enjoy!

    The ultimate order looks like this- without all my commentary.
    The following are based primarily around James Bond’s appearance/age and the actor who plays “M” in the films.


    Timeline 1:
    (Judi Dench as Olivia)
    Casino Royale
    Quantum of Solace
    Skyfall
    (Bernard Lee)
    Doctor No
    From Russia With Love
    Goldfinger
    Thunderball
    OHMSS
    You Only Live Twice
    Live and Let Die
    The Man with the Golden Gun
    The Spy who Loved Me
    Moonraker
    For Your Eyes Only
    (read commentary for reasoning)

    Timeline 2:
    (Judi Dench as Barbara)
    Goldeneye
    Tomorrow Never Dies
    TWINE
    Die Another Day
    (Robert Brown)
    The Living Daylights
    License to Kill
    Octopussy
    A View to a Kill

    Timeline 3:
    (Ralph Fiennes)
    Spectre
    Bond 25
    Any other Bonds that come out
    (Bernard Lee - an aged Ralph conceivably)
    Diamonds are Forever (final film of this timeline however it plays out)



    The following are based primarily around James Bond’s appearance/age and the actor who plays “M” in the films.


    Timeline 1 - Judi Dench is Olivia Mansfield “M”
    (Daniel Craig becomes Sean Connery becomes Roger Moore)
    (Judi Dench becomes Bernard Lee)

    Casino Royale
    Quantum of Solace
    Skyfall

    Bond earns his Double-O status. Olivia “M” is more motherly towards Craig’s Bond. Some time passes between Quantum of Solace and Skyfall, and their professional relationship has grown. Her death in Skyfall hits Bond hard.

    Following the Death of “M”, a new “M” is brought up to replace her- a male.

    Bond continues missions and driven somewhat by the loss of Olivia “M” puts all of his effort into becoming a supreme Double O agent.

    The new “M” - Miles (Bernard Lee)- a bit grumpier than Olivia, but ultimately accepts 007 as reliable.


    Agents of S.P.E.C.T.R.E
    Craig has aged into Connery, Bernard Lee is still the “M” who replaced Olivia after Skyfall

    Doctor No
    From Russia With Love
    Goldfinger

    Bond has run ins with S.P.E.C.T.R.E. agents, all individualized, but all tied to the same threat. Leading into his interactions more directly with Blofeld as a threat.

    Blofeld Trilogy
    Thunderball
    On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
    You Only Live Twice

    Blofeld has murdered his wife, and then escaped during the scene in the hollowed out volcano. He’s on the lose, Bond wants revenge, but it takes some time to get it.

    Time passes, Blofeld is nowhere to be found. Other missions present themselves, and more individual villains are dealt with. Connery has Aged a bit into Moore in Live and Let Die, and ultimately gained a sense of humor as a result of Blofeld now being on the loose for some time.



    Post Blofeld Villains
    Live and Let Die
    The Man with the Golden Gun
    The Spy Who Loved Me
    Moonraker

    Following Bond’s return to earth in Moonraker, Blofeld decides it’s time to reveal himself. He sets a trap to catch 007 in a location he knows he will find him at least once a year. Tracy’s grave.

    For Your Eyes Only

    Blofeld is finally defeated in the pre-titles sequence, and Roger Moore- A Bond who had ultimately let humor help heal the scars of his Blofeld interactions- decided it’s time to retire after nearly falling off of the rock face while climbing to Kristatos' hideout.

    “M” retires off screen (Bernard died in real life), and the timeline is closed.


    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Timeline 2- Judi Dench is Barbara Mawdsley “M”
    **Separate from the first timeline**
    Bond = Pierce Brosnan becomes Timothy Dalton becomes Roger Moore
    M= Judi Dench becomes Robert Brown

    Barbara “M” is not impressed with 007s grandiose nature, and tells him of it. They maintain a more strict working relationship, even when he rescues her from Renard. She shows a caring side with Electra, but is ultimately hardened once she finds out she’s been betrayed. By time Bond is tortured in N. Korea, she is ready to disavow him and leave him on his own. Her trust isn’t really ever fully renewed, and their working relationship remains cold despite Bond proving himself with the events of DAD.

    Goldeneye
    Tomorrow Never Dies
    The World is Not Enough
    Die Another Day

    Following the events of Die Another Day, Barbara steps down as head of Double-O section, and a male “M” (Played by Robert Brown) steps in to replace her- though he isn’t seen until the following film.

    Brosnan is hardened by the events of his torture, and “M” not backing him even when he proved correct, and becomes a bit more gruff- Timothy Dalton

    The new “M” doesn’t trust 007 much, and sends all Double-Os back to a training exercise in Gibraulter, which begins the events of The Living Daylights


    The Living Daylights
    License to Kill

    “M” is still not convinced about 007, especially when a personal vendetta causes 007 to go rogue. He revokes his license to kill, but still reluctantly lets 007 escape to pursue Santos.

    Time passes, Bond has other missions, and the new “M” and he begin to wrap to one another.

    Dalton wears out a bit, and develops more of a sense of humor, his events from Die Another Day and torture so far behind him now.

    Bond has become a bit more light hearted, but has sharpened his skills.


    Octopussy
    A View to A Kill

    Following the events of A View to a Kill, 007 realizes he’s getting too old, and retires- ending Timeline 2. Bond in Timeline 2 never faces a villain like Blofeld with an overarching hand in other events.


    Timeline 3- The Alternate Blofeld
    Ralph Fiennes is “M”
    Daniel Craig becomes Sean Connery (eventually)

    Spectre
    Bond 25
    Diamonds are Forever

    The Events in Spectre are an entirely new timeline, and set of characters. Bond 25 picks up where Spectre events left off.

    Events occur, and missions happen, culminating in the events of Diamonds are Forever where Bond, with a bit more humor towards him, meets up with Blofeld again. Though Blofeld appears to escape, he has lost initiative, and plans to quietly live off somewhere. Bond allows it, knowing they have the history as foster brothers. At least at this moment, there is no personal reason for Bond to hate Blofeld, as Tracy did not exist in this timeline. Though Blofeld has tortured him, perhaps events in Bond 25 and others will lead to the culmination of this timeline in Diamonds are Forever.


    Now, as far as technology, I figure after Skyfall the world gradually enjoys the bigger is better mindset again, which would explain the larger computers and machines in the Sean Connery/Moore eras. Sort of technology folding back on itself. Laser battles aren't possible in the present, but by time Roger Moore goes to space, we've advanced enough.
    Same idea on Timeline 2, though it stays pretty 80s/90s throughout.

    What do you think? Am I crazy?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 3,532
    If they filmed the novels in order and the actors kept their original tenures, here is what we would have:

    Connery:
    1962: Casino Royale
    1963: Live and Let Die
    1964: Moonraker
    1965: Diamonds Are Forever
    1967: From Russia with Love

    Lazenby:
    1969: Dr. No

    Connery:
    1971: Goldfinger

    Moore:
    1973: From A View to a Kill
    1974: For Your Eyes Only
    1977: Quantum of Solace
    1979: Risico
    1981: The Hildebrand Rarity
    1983: Thunderball
    1985: The Spy Who Loved Me

    Dalton
    1987: On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    1989: You Only Live Twice

    Brosnan:
    1995: The Man with the Golden Gun
    1997: Octopussy
    1999: The Living Daylights
    2002: The Property of A Lady

    Craig:
    2006: 007 in New York
    2008: Colonel Sun
    2012: Licence Renewed
    2015: For Special Services
    2020: Icebreaker
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    Posts: 28,317
    Excellent contribution @Puggle07 , I look forward for many more such pieces from you in the future. You probably want into the New Members thread and introduce yourself to everyone.

    @echo , trying to visualize some of those changes is quite exciting.
  • Puggle07Puggle07 Ada
    Posts: 4
    Thanks, I'll check it out. I only stumbled onto the community yesterday. I'm in my annual "Bond obsession" phase. Occurs about once a year and immerses me. I have a friend who hadn't ever seen a Bond film, so I got him started out, and reignited my interest.
  • Puggle07Puggle07 Ada
    Posts: 4
    @echo Fun one to consider too!
  • The_Bleeding_HeartThe_Bleeding_Heart Oakland, CA
    edited July 2019 Posts: 32
    Ok, I’ll bite!

    Sean Connery: “Cold War/Classic Fleming” era

    1960 Casino Royale
    1961 Live and Let Die
    1962 Dr No
    1963 Moonraker
    1964 From Russia With Love

    Roger Moore: “Fantastical Fleming” era

    1966 Goldfinger
    1967 Thunderball
    1968 You Only Live Twice
    1969 On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
    1971 Diamonds Are Forever

    George Lazenby: his films would be more akin to the hardboiled thrillers of the era...

    1973 The Man With The Golden Gun
    1975 The Spy Who Loved Me
    1977 For Your Eyes Only
    1979 From A View to A Kill
    1981 Octopussy

    Timothy Dalton: “Fleming short stories” era

    1983 The Living Daylights
    1985 Property of a Lady
    1987 Risico
    1989 Quantum of Solace
    1991 The Hildebrand Rarity

    Pierce Brosnan: “Post Cold War”/Gardner era

    1993 License Renewed
    1995 GoldenEye
    1997 Tomorrow Never Lies
    1999 Colonel Sun
    2002 Nobody Lives Forever

    Daniel Craig - “Post 9/11 World” Bond

    2004 For Special Services
    2006 Win, Lose, Or Die
    2008 Scorpius
    2010 Never Send Flowers
    2012 Skyfall
    2014 The Man from Barbarossa
    ...
  • RemingtonRemington I'll do anything for a woman with a knife.
    edited July 2019 Posts: 1,472
    SEAN CONNERY
    •Dr. No (1962)
    •From Russia with Love (1963)
    •Goldfinger (1964)
    •Thunderball (1965)
    •You Only Live Twice (1967)

    GEORGE LAZENBY
    •On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969)
    •Diamonds Are Forever (1971)

    ROGER MOORE
    •Live and Let Die (1973)
    •The Man with the Golden Gun (1975)
    •The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
    •Moonraker (1979)
    •For Your Eyes Only (1981)
    •Octopussy (1983)
    •From a View to a Kill (1985)

    TIMOTHY DALTON
    •The Living Daylights (1987)
    •Licence Revoked (1989)
    •The Property of a Lady (1991)
    •Death to Spies (1993)

    PIERCE BROSNAN
    •GoldenEye (1995)
    •Tomorrow Never Lies (1997)
    •The World Is Not Enough (1999)
    •Die Another Day (2002)

    DANIEL CRAIG
    •Casino Royale (2006)
    •Quantum of Solace (2008)
    •Risico (2010)
    •Skyfall (2012)

    BOND #7
    •The Eye That Never Sleeps (2015)
    •The Death Collector (2017)
    •A Reason to Die (2020)
    •Sparrow's Tears (2022)
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