Rate the Various Categories - The Films!!! 2021 -From Russia With Love, Pg 54

royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
edited July 6 in Bond Movies Posts: 4,320
Community Ratings 2021 -

1. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service – 91.33%
2. Casino Royale – 87.6%
3. Goldfinger – 82.75%
4. GoldenEye – 82.47%
5. The Living Daylights – 82.08%
6. Dr No – 81.14%
7. The Spy Who Loved Me – 79.11%
8. Thunderball – 79.04%
9. For Your Eyes Only – 78.5%
10. Quantum of Solace – 78.16%
11. Licence to Kill – 77.58%
12. Skyfall – 77.33%
13. You Only Live Twice – 76.83%
14. Live and Let Die – 76.16%
15. Octopussy – 73.46%
16. Tomorrow Never Dies – 72%
17. The Man with the Golden Gun – 70.83%
18. Moonraker – 70.75%
19. The World is not Enough – 69.58%
20. A View to a Kill – 68%
21. Diamonds are Forever – 67.41%
22. Spectre – 61.70%
23. Die Another Day – 55.08%


Community Ratings 2016 -

1. From Russia With Love – 91.8%
2. Casino Royale – 90.13%
3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service – 89.94%
4. Goldfinger – 81.87%
5. Dr. No – 80.88%
6. The Living Daylights – 80.73%
7. GoldenEye – 80.12%
8. For Your Eyes Only – 79.6%
9. The Spy Who Loved Me – 78.59%
10. Octopussy – 77.73%
11. Skyfall – 77.39%
12. Live and Let Die - 76.88 %
13. Licence To Kill – 76.18%
14. You Only Live Twice – 76%
15. Quantum of Solace – 74%
16. Thunderball – 73.27%
17. Spectre – 72.60%
18. Tomorrow Never Dies – 72.22%
19. A View To A Kill – 71.77%
20. The Man With The Golden Gun – 69.6%
21. The World Is Not Enough – 69.03%
22. Diamonds Are Forever – 68.95%
23. Moonraker – 66.81%
24. Casino Royale, ‘54 – 62.68%
25. Never Say Never Again - 60.96%
26. Casino Royale, ‘67 - 58.53%
27. Die Another Day – 49.96%

Community Ratings 2014

1. From Russia With Love - 92.0083%
2. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 88.50%
3. Casino Royale - 87.85%
4. The Spy Who Loved Me - 80.83%
5. GoldenEye - 78.94%
6. Dr No- 78.7%
7. The Living Daylights - 78.61%
8. For Your Eyes Only - 77.68%
9. Thunderball - 77.47%
10. Goldfinger - 77.23%
11. Licence To Kill - 77.04%
12. Octopussy - 76.61%
13. Skyfall - 75.4%
14. Live and Let Die - 74.52%
15. A View To A Kill - 72.22%
16. You Only Live Twice - 70.27%
17. Tomorrow Never Dies - 70.20%
18. Moonraker - 67.4%
19. The World Is Not Enough - 63.85%
20. The Man With The Golden Gun - 61.33%
21. Quantum of Solace - 59.40%
22. Diamonds Are Forever - 56.05%
23. Never Say Never Again – 53.08%
24. Casino Royale 1954 - 52.24%
25. Die Another Day - 39.92%
26. Casino Royale '67 - 34.5%






Yes, it is back. I think it is time to dust this thread off, post Spectre and see where the new Bond ends up. In approximately 24 weeks, we shall be celebrating James Bond Day – Oct 6th - day of the release of Dr. No in 1962.

In this thread gentle readers, and like it's sister threads, Rate The Various Categories – The Musical Scores! and ”Rate The Various Categories – The Fleming Novels! ” we are going to do a little experiment. I have always loved numbers, and I think I have devised a good way in order to rate and rank the Bond films, in imperial ratings;

I want us to rate the following categories, out of ten -

1. Direction (does the director do a good job?)
2. Screenplay (the written form of a movie that also includes instructions on how it is to be acted and filmed. Is the screenplay balanced, or is it too inconsistent or erratic?)
3. Script (A script contains the words, dialogue, actions for a film. DAF has an excellent script, but it has an average screenplay, just to give you some examples)
4. Plot
5. Action
6. Main Villain
7. Main Bond Girl
8. Bond
9. Sets
10. Music
11. Cinematography
12. Fleming (does the film capture the spirit of Ian Fleming?)

And these categories, these can make a good film into a great film, out of five -

13. Supporting Cast
14. Main Titles
15. Plausibility
16. Pace
17. Editing (e.g. QoS has iffy editing. I wanted to include this to differentiate between the directions and editors)
18. Tilt (this category is a reflection of how you feel, just to provide a little human touch)

Given us a grand total of 150.

This way I think we have found a good idea of how our community feels about certain Bond films, quantitative anyways... . In time, how does this differ from your own personal rankings? I hope to generate some good discussions. Sort of gut feeling into numbers. I know it is a waste of time trying to rate and rank the Bond films such, but I was trying to have some empirical evidence in our discussions, to see what our rankings were like, and if they match our my/yours rankings. And please, try to be objective in your reasons.
At then end of this experiment we shall compare the 2014 results to the class of 2016. Which films have fallen, which films have risen and the films that are remarkably consistent.

I shall be hosting one RANDOM film per week, until the first week in October. Right then, enough waffling, time to get on with it!


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  • RC7RC7
    edited December 2013 Posts: 10,432
    Why is everybody on this site obsessed with ranking? I feel left out, but try as i might, I'm just not a ranker.
  • Posts: 6,396
    RC7 wrote:
    Why is everybody on this site obsessed with ranking? I feel left out, but try as i might, I'm just not a ranker.

    Believe me, there are some right rankers on this site ;-)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 34,256
    RC7 wrote:
    Why is everybody on this site obsessed with ranking? I feel left out, but try as i might, I'm just not a ranker.

    I'm terrible with ranking. I'm probably the only one on here who just loves the Bond films and doesn't rank them 1-23. I don't even know where to begin.
  • DragonpolDragonpol Writer @ http://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 14,447
    Creasy47 wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Why is everybody on this site obsessed with ranking? I feel left out, but try as i might, I'm just not a ranker.

    I'm terrible with ranking. I'm probably the only one on here who just loves the Bond films and doesn't rank them 1-23. I don't even know where to begin.

    The ranking threads sort of leave me a bit in the cold too, to be honest. Having said that, I attempted a simple ranking of the Bond films on my blog as something of a one-off.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 34,256
    I've just never even attempted it, which makes me feel lost when it comes to many of the members on here. I could start off with a few films, but if I'm ten or fifteen in, it's hard for me to compare all of them in every category to do a proper ranking. I just love the movies, never even felt the need to consider which ones are my least favorite or put them on a list for any reason.
  • DragonpolDragonpol Writer @ http://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 14,447
    Creasy47 wrote:
    I've just never even attempted it, which makes me feel lost when it comes to many of the members on here. I could start off with a few films, but if I'm ten or fifteen in, it's hard for me to compare all of them in every category to do a proper ranking. I just love the movies, never even felt the need to consider which ones are my least favorite or put them on a list for any reason.

    Don't worry, lists seem to be a strange part of the modern world, but unless they are very detailed (and let's face it, most of them are not) then I don't see much merit or much point in doing them. The Bond films can be explored much more interestingly ( I think) in the medium of an article or even a book and lists are just...well, lists. That's how I see it anyway. Lists are a bit juvenile to me, plus the Bond films are all very individual and different and as such they are very hard to rank in list form.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,139
    It does help to have some kind of formula because the numbers can give you a definitive answer, unless you have a tie of course. I don't find the lists to be juvenile at all. Some of us have fun doing this. There's nothing wrong with it. If it's not your thing then that's okay too as far as I'm concerned. To each their own.
  • DragonpolDragonpol Writer @ http://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited December 2013 Posts: 14,447
    pachazo wrote:
    It does help to have some kind of formula because the numbers can give you a definitive answer, unless you have a tie of course. I don't find the lists to be juvenile at all. Some of us have fun doing this. There's nothing wrong with it. If it's not your thing then that's okay too as far as I'm concerned. To each their own.

    Oh, yes, yes, by all means people are free to do it and I don't mean to judge them for that. I didn't mean to pooh-pooh it from on high like that, but I just think it's not for me, really, even though I may have engaged in a bit of it in the past if I'm honest!
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,432
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Why is everybody on this site obsessed with ranking? I feel left out, but try as i might, I'm just not a ranker.

    I'm terrible with ranking. I'm probably the only one on here who just loves the Bond films and doesn't rank them 1-23. I don't even know where to begin.

    The ranking threads sort of leave me a bit in the cold too, to be honest. Having said that, I attempted a simple ranking of the Bond films on my blog as something of a one-off.

    I just don't get how you judge 'action', for example, on a 1-10 basis. And when you do, why would I care? I'd much rather see someone break down an action scene/s and define it's worth in the context of the movie. Why would I care if someone rates the action in DN - 6 and the action in GF - 8? Sorry, I'm aware I'm being a little cantankerous, I just find the plethora of list/number threads really tedious and irrelevant. I couldn't give one if someone rates the pace of a film a '3' in the same way I can't imagine why anyone would care what numerical value I would give to the pace of 'insert film'. Surely it's the same as saying 'I don't think the Bond girl in 'insert movie' is very good', to which the response would be, why? Perhaps it would be better if people had to deliver a paragraph outlining 'why', otherwise this just becomes another thread of statements. I don't ever remember a score someone has given to a film or element of a film, but I have remembered when they've made an insightful comment.

  • DragonpolDragonpol Writer @ http://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited December 2013 Posts: 14,447
    RC7 wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Why is everybody on this site obsessed with ranking? I feel left out, but try as i might, I'm just not a ranker.

    I'm terrible with ranking. I'm probably the only one on here who just loves the Bond films and doesn't rank them 1-23. I don't even know where to begin.

    The ranking threads sort of leave me a bit in the cold too, to be honest. Having said that, I attempted a simple ranking of the Bond films on my blog as something of a one-off.

    I just don't get how you judge 'action', for example, on a 1-10 basis. And when you do, why would I care? I'd much rather see someone break down an action scene/s and define it's worth in the context of the movie. Why would I care if someone rates the action in DN - 6 and the action in GF - 8? Sorry, I'm aware I'm being a little cantankerous, I just find the plethora of list/number threads really tedious and irrelevant. I couldn't give one if someone rates the pace of a film a '3' in the same way I can't imagine why anyone would care what numerical value I would give to the pace of 'insert film'. Surely it's the same as saying 'I don't think the Bond girl in 'insert movie' is very good', to which the response would be, why? Perhaps it would be better if people had to deliver a paragraph outlining 'why', otherwise this just becomes another thread of statements. I don't ever remember a score someone has given to a film or element of a film, but I have remembered when they've made an insightful comment.

    The above is basically what I wanted to say on the topic of lists, but could not get out quite so eloquently as @RC7.
  • RC7 wrote:
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Creasy47 wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    Why is everybody on this site obsessed with ranking? I feel left out, but try as i might, I'm just not a ranker.

    I'm terrible with ranking. I'm probably the only one on here who just loves the Bond films and doesn't rank them 1-23. I don't even know where to begin.

    The ranking threads sort of leave me a bit in the cold too, to be honest. Having said that, I attempted a simple ranking of the Bond films on my blog as something of a one-off.

    I just don't get how you judge 'action', for example, on a 1-10 basis. And when you do, why would I care? I'd much rather see someone break down an action scene/s and define it's worth in the context of the movie. Why would I care if someone rates the action in DN - 6 and the action in GF - 8? Sorry, I'm aware I'm being a little cantankerous, I just find the plethora of list/number threads really tedious and irrelevant. I couldn't give one if someone rates the pace of a film a '3' in the same way I can't imagine why anyone would care what numerical value I would give to the pace of 'insert film'. Surely it's the same as saying 'I don't think the Bond girl in 'insert movie' is very good', to which the response would be, why? Perhaps it would be better if people had to deliver a paragraph outlining 'why', otherwise this just becomes another thread of statements. I don't ever remember a score someone has given to a film or element of a film, but I have remembered when they've made an insightful comment.

    Agreed. While it's fun to make a list and explain why so and so was your favorite girl/henchman/PTS, it's a waste of time to get too scientific about simply ranking them, because we all have our own opinion. I think it's far more engaging to hear people explain why they like/dislike certain aspects of all the films.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 34,256
    @RC7, even though I've joined in on numerical comparisons in the past, that's about spot on. I'd much rather discuss what I love about this action scene or what I really enjoy about this Bond girl or that henchman. When it gets into the comparison threads, it's almost always 'Between X and Y, I choose X,' and that's it.
  • DragonpolDragonpol Writer @ http://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 14,447
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @RC7, even though I've joined in on numerical comparisons in the past, that's about spot on. I'd much rather discuss what I love about this action scene or what I really enjoy about this Bond girl or that henchman. When it gets into the comparison threads, it's almost always 'Between X and Y, I choose X,' and that's it.

    Again, exactly.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,139
    Personally, I rate every scene of the film individually. I feel that it's the best way to see how all of the different factors come together instead of comprising a list of various categories. Sometimes a film is more than the sum of it's parts and sometimes it's less.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 34,256
    I'd just enjoy a thread that talks about and dissects everything in each Bond film, from PTS and theme song and finale to the smallest of things like Bond's outfit in this scene or a favorite fight or your favorite line, etc. I feel like that's such a broad topic though that it would somehow not kick off.
  • RC7 wrote:
    Why is everybody on this site obsessed with ranking? I feel left out, but try as i might, I'm just not a ranker.

    Believe me, there are some right rankers on this site ;-)

    Rankers or wankers?

    ;)
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,320
    Glad my discussion had some, erm, discussion.

    I thought this would be fun, is all. I didn't expect a backlash over it. There's plenty of pages dedicated to opinions on what is your fav action scene for example, and I thought this would be a fun way to discuss this.

    The Bond films are such are personal and subjective thing; I was only trying to give our opinions numbers. Just a bit of fun.

    I agree with @pachazo - Bond films are more than the sum of their parts. I'd just thought I'd give this method a whirl, and I wanted the users of this fine site to chip in.

    C'est la vie
  • DragonpolDragonpol Writer @ http://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited December 2013 Posts: 14,447
    royale65 wrote:
    Glad my discussion had some, erm, discussion.

    I thought this would be fun, is all. I didn't expect a backlash over it. There's plenty of pages dedicated to opinions on what is your fav action scene for example, and I thought this would be a fun way to discuss this.

    The Bond films are such are personal and subjective thing; I was only trying to give our opinions numbers. Just a bit of fun.

    I agree with @pachazo - Bond films are more than the sum of their parts. I'd just thought I'd give this method a whirl, and I wanted the users of this fine site to chip in.

    C'est la vie

    Well I'm very sorry if we de-railed your thread. That was not my intention, at least. I still think it's not too late and that the thread can be salvaged, though. We're just some Grumpy Old Men here. :)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 34,256
    I'm not setting out to derail it, just pointing out (as did others) that it's hard for some of us to simply put a ranking on certain things. Since I won't be joining, I'll be on my way.
  • DragonpolDragonpol Writer @ http://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited December 2013 Posts: 14,447
    Creasy47 wrote:
    I'm not setting out to derail it, just pointing out (as did others) that it's hard for some of us to simply put a ranking on certain things. Since I won't be joining, I'll be on my way.

    I'll sign out of this one too and let the good folks rank away 'til their hearts' content! 8-X
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,320
    Don't worry lads. @Dragonpol and @Creasy47 - no hard feelings. :-). I find it hard sometimes as well, to rate and rank things. This was my first attempt at it, I mean how do you choose between QoS and Spy, for example. :-).
  • royale65 wrote:
    Don't worry lads. @Dragonpol and @Creasy47 - no hard feelings. :-). I find it hard sometimes as well, to rate and rank things. This was my first attempt at it, I mean how do you choose between QoS and Spy, for example. :-).

    Well, it's quite simple, really. You put Spy way ahead of QoS and call it a day. Before I do my rankings (and in recognition of Creasy and Dragonpol's points, I'll include some explanation for my picks), what's the difference between a script and a screenplay?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited December 2013 Posts: 34,256
    @Soundofthesinners,

    "A script contains the words, dialog, actions for a play.

    A screenplay is a script that is used for a film/movie that includes dialog, but also character and set descriptions."
  • Creasy47 wrote:
    @Soundofthesinners,

    "A script contains the words, dialog, actions for a play.

    A screenplay is a script that is used for a film/movie that includes dialog, but also character and set descriptions."

    Thank you very much, Creasy.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited December 2013 Posts: 34,256
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @Soundofthesinners,

    "A script contains the words, dialog, actions for a play.

    A screenplay is a script that is used for a film/movie that includes dialog, but also character and set descriptions."

    Thank you very much, Creasy.

    You're quite welcome.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,320
    Thanks @Creasy47 :-)

    We all have various opinions on Bond. Take @RC7's point about action; say DN is 6, and GF is 8. Why? DN is more embryonic type of film, while GF's is much more polished and stylised. Hence 6 versus 8. Sort of gut feeling into numbers.

    I know it is a waste of time trying to rate and rank the Bond films such, but I was trying to have some empirical evidence in our discussions, to see what our rankings were like, and if they match our my/yours rankings.

    @Soundofthesinners - please do include your explanations for rating a particular category that way. After all, this is a Bond discussion forum. ;-)
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken I'm gonna use this to clarify that Dalton is tied with Craig
    Posts: 1,719
    1. Direction - 10
    2. Screenplay - 9
    3. Script - 9
    4. Plot - 8
    5. Action - 6
    6. Main Villain - 10
    7. Main Bond Girl - 8
    8. Bond - 9
    9. Sets - 10
    10. Music - 5
    11. Cinematography - 7 - Horrible back projection at times.
    12. Fleming - 9
    13. Supporting Cast - 5
    14. Main Titles - 4
    15. Plausibility - 5
    16. Pace - 4
    17. Editing - 3 - The jump cuts and back projection each take a point off.
    18. Tilt - 5

    Overall - 126/150

    Percentage - 84%
  • 1. Direction - 10. Terence Young nails it here; he made Connery from a rough-and-tumble charismatic Scot into the Platonic ideal of James Bond.
    2. Screenplay - 8. Like the script, it handles the dialogue and structure well, and has good characters and good locations.
    3. Script - 8. Good dialogue, good structure, no real flaws here.
    4. Plot - 7. A bit thin, but it's relatively believable (as will be discussed later), and Bond gets to do some actual detective work! Amazing.
    5. Action - 5. There's really not much of it. Bond and Dr. No fight for a bit, and he has a back-projection car chase with the 3 Blind Mice, but there's not much action even compared to the next movie.
    6. Main Villain - 10. Joseph Wiseman is incredible as Dr. No. Calm, cultured, and twisted. The metal hands were a great touch, as was the introduction of SPECTRE.
    7. Main Bond Girl - 8. Honey is the original, and sets the standard in a lot of ways, but she's only in the second half of the movie and really doesn't do much.
    8. Bond - 9. It's becoming a theme, but Connery sets the standard. He'd refine his performance in the next two movies, but even though he's a bit raw here, he's amazing.
    9. Sets - 9. Some of the sets in Jamaica are fairly unspectacular, but Ken Adam nails it with Dr. No's secret underwater lair.
    10. Music - 5. John Barry>>>>>>>Monty Norman
    11. Cinematography - 7. I only really notice cinematography when it's really good (Skyfall, the Seventh Seal) or really bad (Battlefield Earth).
    12. Fleming - 8 I'm not familiar with the novels (I know, I know), but it seems to be regarding as faithful to Fleming's creation.
    13. Supporting Cast - 9. Quarrel, Professor Dent, and all the girls add a lot to the film.
    14. Main Titles - 6. They're just kind of there. The next three movies would develop the title sequence as we know it today.
    15. Plausibility - 6. The first half of the story is practically a detective story that happens to feature James Bond. The second half, with Dr. No's secret lair, is a little silly, but all kinds of wacky things happened in the Cold War, so it's nothing too crazy.
    16. Pace - 5. It's good to see a script that doesn't race through location after location and action sequence after action sequence, but I generally want to stab myself at least once every viewing.
    17. Editing - 7. Once again, nothing stands out either way.
    18. Tilt - 8. I just like Dr. No, for reasons that I don't entirely understand. It's one of my favorite Bond movies (7 out of 23), and it gets bonus points for starting the series.

    Overall: 135/150, or 90%
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    Before I embark on the ranking process, could someone assist me in informing me of what a screenplay is? All the other categories I seem to have a good grip on.
  • 00Beast wrote:
    Before I embark on the ranking process, could someone assist me in informing me of what a screenplay is? All the other categories I seem to have a good grip on.

    Creasy outlined the difference between a screenplay and a script just a couple posts up.
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