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  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Well I'm talking about Bonds motivation for the story! And if we only want stable, then we end up with Bond being boring and bland! Daltons Bond is far more interesting and memorable!
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited October 2016 Posts: 11,189
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Well I'm talking about Bonds motivation for the story! And if we only want stable, then we end up with Bond being boring and bland! Daltons Bond is far more interesting and memorable!

    You get the sense Dalton's thought about every expression before the cameras roll. That's my problem with him at times, not the fact that he's trying to play a more edgy character.

    Also:

    Bond sounds like a fool for implying Della didn't know the risks of being married to a CIA agent, either that or Della was bloody stupid.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Oh, and the "borderline psychotic" was from a quote from a reviewer! And I think what they meant was that Bonds actions were irrational, and he was out of control in his quest for vengeance!
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Dalton's best moment for me ironically is a much quieter moment in that film outside Felix's house after the wedding.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Yes, Dalton was good at those throwaway moments, like the finale after he's killed Sanchez, and you can see the revulsion and relief that its all over!
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited October 2016 Posts: 11,189
    Yes that was good too.

    Personally, I also suspect that given LTK disappointment at the US box office Dalton would have played it more like he did in TLD (his better performance IMO) for his next film.

    I could be misjudging Dalton by saying that I felt he was too dramatic at times but when I try and picture Craig or Connery in LTK (both of whom are perfectly capable at more intense scenes) I just can't imagine their performances being as "in your face".
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    pachazo wrote: »
    Licence To Kill - It's unfortunate that after such a promising start to the Dalton era in TLD, things went south quickly with this next entry, and Dalton's tenure ultimately ended with a whimper. I like the premise (and even applaud the idea of trying something different) but the execution is lacking in a big way, and LTK ends up being one of the most underwhelming entries in the series for me.

    There are many contributing factors to my disappointment (weak supporting cast, cheap look, the score, etc..) but ultimately I'm just bored with the story. I really can't get behind Bond's lust for revenge, and then it's agonizing to have to wait for ages before he finally makes a move on Sanchez. The only saving grace is that Dalton and Davi do have great chemistry in their scenes together.

    It's a unique Bond film, and as such it's going to be a polarizing entry. I can appreciate those of you who enjoy it, but it's always a bit of a struggle for me. I do wish we could have gotten a new director for this one. I think Glen's style worked well for TLD (especially as a transition from the Moore era) but it would have been interesting to get a fresh approach here.

    Moving right along (at a snail's pace!), I am confident that I will complete this Bondathon by year's end, culminating with my first rewatch of SP since last November. It's been so long now that I'm genuinely curious as to what I will think of it. Which is exactly what i wanted. I needed some time away from it.

    Glen Era Ranking
    1) FYEO
    2) TLD
    3) OP
    4) AVTAK
    5) LTK

    Totally agree. Bond's lust for revenge just doesn't work and in a so called revenge thriller motivation is sort of important.

    With the kind of departure it was from the formula it needed a different director and screenwriter.

    Shame as back when it was released I was full of anticipation for a tough new Bond film. Boy did I come out of the cinema deflated!
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I think Dalton's performance in LTK at times feels too "acted". Like he's trying to make it his big moment and he frankly doesn't scare me all that much. If you want to see a genuinely terrifying vengeful character watch Benicio Del Toro in Sicario. THAT is an example of not knowing what someone is going to do next. Something about the way Dalton constantly seems to scowl and look round makes me think he's putting too much effort into looking tough.

    Also, I don't think the revenge aspect is particularly well set-up. Della is frankly a bit of a bland bimbo and only really there to be a sacrificial lamb. Granted she gets a good moment being shushed by one of her would-be killers but its not really enough to make her a memorable character. Also, she's forgotten about by the end of the film.

    I've said this time and time again. Dalton is trying too hard in this film and you can SEE the acting.

    Can't believe people think he gives a good performance.

    He was excellent in TLD
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited October 2016 Posts: 11,189
    LeonardPine wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I think Dalton's performance in LTK at times feels too "acted". Like he's trying to make it his big moment and he frankly doesn't scare me all that much. If you want to see a genuinely terrifying vengeful character watch Benicio Del Toro in Sicario. THAT is an example of not knowing what someone is going to do next. Something about the way Dalton constantly seems to scowl and look round makes me think he's putting too much effort into looking tough.

    Also, I don't think the revenge aspect is particularly well set-up. Della is frankly a bit of a bland bimbo and only really there to be a sacrificial lamb. Granted she gets a good moment being shushed by one of her would-be killers but its not really enough to make her a memorable character. Also, she's forgotten about by the end of the film.

    I've said this time and time again. Dalton is trying too hard in this film and you can SEE the acting.

    Can't believe people think he gives a good performance.

    He was excellent in TLD

    I agree. There are times in the film when I also feel the acting shows a bit too much. He's pulling out all his dramatic acting chops.

    Robert Brown's underplayed anger in the Hemingway house for example feels a lot more natural than Dalton's mannered anger (Brown's delivery of "effective immediately, your licence to kill is revoked" is possibly his best moment as M).

    Compare Dalton's performance in that scene to the equivalent in Quantum when Bond is confronted with Field's body/suspended from duty by M and the differences between the two is fairly obvious.
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
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    Last week, over few days, inspired by the possibility Craig'll do at least one new Bond, I watched all his Bond movies in marathon.

    Casino Royale is still my favorite followed by Spectre, with Quantum of Solace and Skyfall holding the last place at the bottom of the barrel infested by rats. That last one not true. It's coconut oil. But the rats soon follow. Okay, I like Skyfall too. It just happens to be my least favorite.

    Spectre raised a new question, which kind of bugged me. Blofeld faked his death 20 years prior Spectre. Which would mean he and Bond were stepbrothers for more than two years and planned his fathers death for more than few years after Bond came to ruin his perfect life. Ok, that could be a mistake from the writing team. Still didn.t diminish my enjoyment.

    From this day forward, it's marathon beginning from Dr. No, which I'vve already started, to Die Another Day.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    @Risico007

    James Brolin's Octopussy :))

    What about Sam Neil's???

    Broilin was actually cast Neil never was
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Brolin just did a screentest! He was never cast! And he looked pretty boring in it!
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Sam Neill also was screen tested.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
    Posts: 6,878
    Yes, i know! But I think there's only photos of that? I
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    A clip of the Sam Neil screen test is on YouTube. I put a link up on here a couple of days ago.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Yes, i know! But I think there's only photos of that? I

    It is on the documentary for AVTAK or another Bond. An actual film clip.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Yes, i know! But I think there's only photos of that? I

    It is on the documentary for AVTAK or another Bond. An actual film clip.
    I believe it was on The Living Daylights?

    Anyway... Here...

  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    I'd like to see Finlay Light's screen test.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    No actually if you listen to the interview Brolin signed on the dotted line bought a flat in London close to pinewood studios spent a lot of time working on his characterization with Brocolli and he. Proceeded to be bought out of said contract due to Moore coming back in the 11th hour and fear of never say never again make no mistake if Connery didn't return in 83 Brolin would of been bond in Octopussy.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    No actually if you listen to the interview Brolin signed on the dotted line bought a flat in London close to pinewood studios spent a lot of time working on his characterization with Brocolli and he. Proceeded to be bought out of said contract due to Moore coming back in the 11th hour and fear of never say never again make no mistake if Connery didn't return in 83 Brolin would of been bond in Octopussy.

    He pretty much had the job in the bag. Imagine him in OP, VIEW, DAYLIGHTS and LICENCE.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    I didn't know that about Brolin! Thank God they persuaded Rog to sign on the dotted, if only for OP! I do know that when they were planning DAF after Lazenbys deparure, actor John Gavin was cast and ready to go, when they convinced Connery to come back, they had to buy Gavin out of his contract!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    It seems that we've narrowly missed out on an American playing James Bond twice.

    From my perspective, at least with respect to Gavin and Brolin, thank goodness!
  • Risico007Risico007
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    Hence why I watched it and put it in the list.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Gavin still gets a paycheck monthly or yearly to this day from what I remember. I don't know, it may sound absurd, but I've read something along the lines of it somewhere sometime ago.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Brolin was excellent in Hotel.
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
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    Today, my least favorite 60's Bond and my all time favorite Bond, From Russia With Love and Golfinger.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    TWINE.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited October 2016 Posts: 13,905
    Casino Royale
    I can't say that I dislike Cambpell's style, unlike Forster & Mendes, Campbell cuts through the fact, and gets straight down to business. None of this faffing about with internal struggles. I can't really fault the action, the foot chase still holds up today. But like the next 2 films, this just does not feel like a Bond film. Some of the dialogue still falls flat with a squelch.

    My 1996-2016 20th Anniversary Bondathon
    1. Spectre
    2. Casino Royale
    3. Skyfall
    4. Quantum Of Solace
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Casino Royale

    My 1996-2016 20th Anniversary Bondathon
    1. Spectre
    2. Casino Royale
    3. Skyfall
    4. Quantum Of Solace

    SP over CR?!

    At last someone with taste! Thought I am the only one.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,905
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Casino Royale

    My 1996-2016 20th Anniversary Bondathon
    1. Spectre
    2. Casino Royale
    3. Skyfall
    4. Quantum Of Solace

    SP over CR?!

    At last someone with taste! Thought I am the only one.

    SP has it's problems (the biggest one being the clumsy Bond:Blofeld connection, which still doesn't sit right with me), but it is the first Craig era film to feel like a Bond film.
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