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  • I will make sure to respect fans in the future ahhh I can't find the crying emoji I'm so sorry plz ban me.
  • I was merely trying to comfort @ToTheRight apologies to:
    @StirredNotShaken
    @SomethingThatAteHim
    @Creasy47
    Everyone else I've now ruined the whole six-year wait for.
  • All I can do is ask for forgiveness.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    Posts: 1,689
    All I can do is ask for forgiveness.

    Well, you could take a break.
  • edited September 2021 Posts: 1,595
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I had SP at 23, then went back the next night and it fell to 24 where it has stayed since.

    I think SP topped out at 18 for me, and then slid just a bit. I do agree that most folks had it very high upon initial release.

    I remember one podcast I listened to *raving* about it, and then 4 years later they would reference it as a "disappointment." IIRC.

    edit: By "just a bit" I should've said "is now at the bottom of my list." I am planning to give it an honest-to-God rewatch with the best intentions.
  • I strongly disliked Spectre when I saw it in theaters and when I last revisited it it was pretty much exactly the same thing. Maybe I’ll finally start to enjoy it when I revisit it yet again ahead of NTTD. Either way, love or hate, my first experience in a theater is usually very close to what I end up settling on, so I’m not worried about having a honeymoon glow for NTTD, as far as my own opinion is concerned.
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    edited September 2021 Posts: 5,080
    Diamond tier:
    GOLDFINGER
    ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
    THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
    THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
    GOLDENEYE

    Gold tier:
    FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
    FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
    OCTOPUSSY
    LICENCE TO KILL
    CASINO ROYALE
    SKYFALL

    Silver tier:
    DR. NO
    DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
    LIVE AND LET DIE
    A VIEW TO A KILL
    TOMORROW NEVER DIES
    QUANTUM OF SOLACE

    Bronze tier:
    THUNDERBALL
    NO TIME TO DIE
    YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
    THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
    MOONRAKER
    THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH

    The wooden spoons:
    DIE ANOTHER DAY
    SPECTRE
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I don't know. I'd like to take it at face value, but remember how SP made almost every Top Ten (or better) upon immediate release.

    SP sticked on mine. Not top 5 obviously.
  • Posts: 12,263
    Interesting we’ve only had a couple early NTTD rankings so far despite many more having seen it. Knowing what I know though, maybe it’s because how different it is and the time needed to process and compare.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 503
    Updated Sep. 30, 2021

    1. From Russia With Love (1963)
    2. On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969)
    3. Thunderball (1965)
    4. Dr. No (1962)
    5. Casino Royale (2006)
    6. Goldfinger (1964)
    7. License to Kill (1989)
    8. GoldenEye (1995)
    9. The Living Daylights (1987)
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me (1977)
    11. Skyfall (2012)
    12. For Your Eyes Only (1981)
    13. Octopussy (1983)
    14. Moonraker (1979)
    15. The World Is Not Enough (1999)
    16. You Only Live Twice (1967)
    17. Live and Let Die (1973)
    18. Quantum of Solace (2008)
    19. The Man with the Golden Gun (1974)
    20. Spectre (2015)
    21. Die Another Day (2002)
    22. Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)
    23. No Time To Die (2021)
    24. A View to a Kill (1985)
    25. Diamonds Are Forever (1971)
  • Initial ranking inc. NTTD after first two viewings, and with re-watching the Craig Bonds recently.

    1. Casino Royale (2006)
    2. From Russia with Love (1963)
    3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969)
    4. No Time to Die (2021)
    5. Dr. No (1962)
    6. The Living Daylights (1987)
    7. Licence to Kill (1989)
    8. Skyfall (2012)
    9. Goldfinger (1964)
    10. Thunderball (1965)
    11. GoldenEye (1995)
    12. Quantum of Solace (2008)
    13. For Your Eyes Only (1981)
    14. The Spy Who Love Me (1977)
    15. Spectre (2015)
    16. Octopussy (1983)
    17. Tomorrow Never Dies (1997)
    18. The World is Not Enough (1999)
    19. Live and Let Die (1973)
    20. You Only Live Twice (1967)
    21. The Man with the Golden Gun (1974)
    22. A View to a Kill (1985)
    23. Moonraker (1979)
    24. Diamonds Are Forever (1971)
    25. Die Another Day (2002)
  • Posts: 15,801
    Here's my FINAL pre NTTD ranking..........

    1. GOLDFINGER
    2. THUNDERBALL
    3. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
    4. DR. NO
    5. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
    6. CASINO ROYALE 06
    7. LIVE AND LET DIE
    8. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
    9. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
    10. OCTOPUSSY/NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN
    11. TOMORROW NEVER DIES
    12. SKYFALL
    13. MOONRAKER
    14. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
    15. QUANTUM OF SOLACE
    16. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH/CR 54
    17. GOLDENEYE
    18. LICENCE TO KILL
    19. SPECTRE
    20. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
    21. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
    22. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
    23. A VIEW TO A KILL
    24. DIE ANOTHER DAY /CR 67
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    edited October 2021 Posts: 2,252
    Here's the final DN-SP rankings:

    This time around it's about 50/50 Bond Forums / Other sites, whereas pre-Spectre most rankings are from Bond forums. There's a few films viewed more, or less, favourable by Bond fans vs general fans that show up in the separate lists (note the films highlighted in red and purple

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    A few thoughts:
    - Some circles in the Bond community say GE and QOS are over and under rated respectively, and that is not insignificantly reflected in the difference in rank compared to the general community.
    - GF, long and still a general public fan favourite, is beaten by CR by a reasonable margin. I wonder if the woke era has caught up to it. So far I haven't seen widespread evidence of this, but the conversations are happening
    - OHMSS is now the Bond community favourite, by a narrow margin
    - Skyfall has dropped a few spots in the Bond community, but still a firm favourite in the general community
  • SimonSimon Keeping The British End Up...
    edited October 2021 Posts: 57
    Updated list:

    1 GOLDENEYE
    2 CASINO ROYALE
    = LICENCE TO KILL
    = THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
    5 LIVE AND LET DIE
    6 SKYFALL
    = THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
    8 FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
    = THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
    = ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE
    11 GOLDFINGER
    12 TOMORROW NEVER DIES
    = SPECTRE
    14 THUNDERBALL
    15 FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
    = YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE
    = DR. NO
    18 QUANTUM OF SOLACE
    19 A VIEW TO A KILL
    = OCTOPUSSY
    21 THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
    22 DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
    23 MOONRAKER
    24 NO TIME TO DIE
    25 DIE ANOTHER DAY


    Sadly, I even had to take a moment, albeit fleeting, to decide on which order to put 24 and 25. Didn't think that would happen again in my lifetime.
  • Posts: 6,804
    Probably not going to put NTTD in my ranking until I watch it again, or even until its released on bluray, as I find watching them in the comfort of your own home a different experience, and I'm hoping it will be more positive than my first viewing!!
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 1,595
    @w2bond "I wonder if the woke era has caught up to it." What do you mean by this? I assume you mean when he forces himself on Pussy in the barn? I feel like "wokeness" isn't necessary to see how awful that scene is.

    I love that film, but nobody I know watches that scene and doesn't grimace at the least. It mars the film. It doesn't have to sour the entire experience, but that is undoubtedly a difficult scene of what amounts to basically rape.

    edit: In case you think I'm trying to "cancel" GF - it last ranked like 4th or 5th on my list. I adore it.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    edited October 2021 Posts: 2,252
    "I wonder if the woke era has caught up to it." What do you mean by this? I assume you mean when he forces himself on Pussy in the barn? I feel like "wokeness" isn't necessary to see how awful that scene is.

    I love that film, but nobody I know watches that scene and doesn't grimace at the least. It mars the film. It doesn't have to sour the entire experience, but that is undoubtedly a difficult scene of what amounts to basically rape.

    edit: In case you think I'm trying to "cancel" GF - it last ranked like 4th or 5th on my list. I adore it.
    @ThighsOfXenia
    Fair call. But these days I see more reviews discussing that scene. But so far, as evidenced by your rating and the general consensus, it hasn't hurt opinion of it (tho I see the odd review that ranks gf - and frwl of all films - low because of the treatment of women)
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 503
    @w2bond "I wonder if the woke era has caught up to it." What do you mean by this? I assume you mean when he forces himself on Pussy in the barn? I feel like "wokeness" isn't necessary to see how awful that scene is.

    I love that film, but nobody I know watches that scene and doesn't grimace at the least. It mars the film. It doesn't have to sour the entire experience, but that is undoubtedly a difficult scene of what amounts to basically rape.

    edit: In case you think I'm trying to "cancel" GF - it last ranked like 4th or 5th on my list. I adore it.
    You are seeing it through a modern, post-"Me Too" lens. Yes perhaps he goes a bit too far, but they are playfighting. She doesn't literally tell him to "STOP" in the moment. She may have been playing hard to get.

    I understand that this wouldn't fly today, but you are seeing it from a "today" perspective. Nowadays you can't even flirt in a work setting lest you risk losing your job, nowadays "Baby It's Cold Outside" is seen as a rape song. I wouldn't say today's views on this kind of thing are objective.

  • Posts: 2,400
    w2bond wrote: »
    "I wonder if the woke era has caught up to it." What do you mean by this? I assume you mean when he forces himself on Pussy in the barn? I feel like "wokeness" isn't necessary to see how awful that scene is.

    I love that film, but nobody I know watches that scene and doesn't grimace at the least. It mars the film. It doesn't have to sour the entire experience, but that is undoubtedly a difficult scene of what amounts to basically rape.

    edit: In case you think I'm trying to "cancel" GF - it last ranked like 4th or 5th on my list. I adore it.
    @ThighsOfXenia
    Fair call. But these days I see more reviews discussing that scene. But so far, as evidenced by your rating and the general consensus, it hasn't hurt opinion of it (tho I see the odd review that ranks gf - and frwl of all films - low because of the treatment of women)

    I have several issues with Goldfinger writing and pacing and "excitement" wise that factor into it being around the exact center of my ranking, but that scene definitely allows GoldenEye at the very least to edge it out for me.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 1,595
    @Bond They were absolutely playfighting or whatever, but what comes after is absolutely sexual assault. She didn't scream stop but she was struggling. Lol. That's like saying you shouldn't call Birth of a Nation's racism "racism" because I'm looking at it through "today's lens."

    Do you see what I'm getting at? Just because something was allowed 60 years ago, doesn't mean it was right then. Sometimes "today's lens" means we see the horrible things that went unchallenged for what they actually were.

    Again, I'm going to reiterate that I love Goldfinger. I'm not trying to "cancel" Goldfinger. But defending that scene is going to get a side eye from me every day of the week.

    Also, James Bond himself is a bastard. So we shouldn't be defending every single action he takes. That's what makes the character so compelling for 60 years!
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited October 2021 Posts: 651
    Trying to balance "best" and personal enjoyment:
    1. OHMSS
    2. LTK
    3. FRWL
    4. YOLT
    5. CR
    6. DN
    7. GF
    8. GE
    9. QOS
    10. LALD
    11. TMWTGG
    12. OP
    13. TSWLM
    14. TWINE
    15. TB
    16. FYEO
    17. TLD
    18. MR
    19. TND
    20. AVTAK
    21. DAF
    22. DAD
    23. SF
    24. SP
  • Posts: 2,400
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Trying to balance "best" and personal enjoyment:
    1. OHMSS
    2. LTK
    3. FRWL
    4. YOLT
    5. CR
    6. DN
    7. GF
    8. GE
    9. QOS
    10. LALD
    11. TMWTGG
    12. OP
    13. TSWLM
    14. TWINE
    15. TB
    16. FYEO
    17. TLD
    18. MR
    19. TND
    20. AVTAK
    21. DAF
    22. DAD
    23. SF
    24. SP

    With that ranking I think NTTD is either going to end up as your top or bottom pick after your first viewing.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    edited October 2021 Posts: 2,252
    I have several issues with Goldfinger writing and pacing and "excitement" wise...
    Same with me. Goldfinger is now my favourite villain and his banter with Bond is excellent therefore GF has moved from below average to just outside the top 10 for me.
    Also, James Bond himself is a bastard. So we shouldn't be defending every single action he takes. That's what makes the character so compelling for 60 years!

    Exactly. Let that scene be a discussion point and sure, dislike the scene, but I don't think people need to spite the film because of it (though like I said I haven't seen much evidence of this, same with TB)
  • Posts: 2,400
    w2bond wrote: »
    I have several issues with Goldfinger writing and pacing and "excitement" wise...
    Same with me. Goldfinger is now my favourite villain and his banter with Bond is excellent therefore GF has moved from below average to just outside the top 10 for me.
    Also, James Bond himself is a bastard. So we shouldn't be defending every single action he takes. That's what makes the character so compelling for 60 years!

    Exactly. Let that scene be a discussion point and sure, dislike the scene, but I don't think people need to spite the film because of it (though like I said I haven't seen much evidence of this, same with TB)

    For me it's just, Phoebe Waller-Bridge actually made this AMAZING point in an interview about Bond and about if the character should change in a post-#MeToo world, Barbara Broccoli said the character would naturally change over time anyway which is fair, but Waller-Bridge said that, no, it's okay if BOND disservices a woman within a film, it's that the FILM itself shouldn't disservice her, and in the case of the scene from Goldfinger I feel pretty strongly that the FILM is disservicing Pussy Galore which is why I have a problem with it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,081
    @Bond They were absolutely playfighting or whatever, but what comes after is absolutely sexual assault. She didn't scream stop but she was struggling. Lol. That's like saying you shouldn't call Birth of a Nation's racism "racism" because I'm looking at it through "today's lens."

    Do you see what I'm getting at? Just because something was allowed 60 years ago, doesn't mean it was right then. Sometimes "today's lens" means we see the horrible things that went unchallenged for what they actually were.

    Again, I'm going to reiterate that I love Goldfinger. I'm not trying to "cancel" Goldfinger. But defending that scene is going to get a side eye from me every day of the week.

    Also, James Bond himself is a bastard. So we shouldn't be defending every single action he takes. That's what makes the character so compelling for 60 years!

    People criticise this scene until the cows come home, but then when Bond forcibly strips a woman naked in The Living Daylights they praise it as dark and flemingesque.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,081
    Exactly.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    My gut instinct:

    01 OHMSS
    02 GF
    03 FRWL
    04 DN
    05 QOS
    06 NTTD
    07 SP
    08 YOLT
    09 CR
    10 TMWTGG
    11 TB
    12 SF
    13 OP
    14 DAF
    15 AVTAK
    16 LTK
    17 DAD
    18 MR
    19 TND
    20 NSNA
    21 FYEO
    22 TSWLM
    23 TLD
    24 GE
    25 LALD
    26 TWINE
  • Posts: 2,400
    @Bond They were absolutely playfighting or whatever, but what comes after is absolutely sexual assault. She didn't scream stop but she was struggling. Lol. That's like saying you shouldn't call Birth of a Nation's racism "racism" because I'm looking at it through "today's lens."

    Do you see what I'm getting at? Just because something was allowed 60 years ago, doesn't mean it was right then. Sometimes "today's lens" means we see the horrible things that went unchallenged for what they actually were.

    Again, I'm going to reiterate that I love Goldfinger. I'm not trying to "cancel" Goldfinger. But defending that scene is going to get a side eye from me every day of the week.

    Also, James Bond himself is a bastard. So we shouldn't be defending every single action he takes. That's what makes the character so compelling for 60 years!

    People criticise this scene until the cows come home, but then when Bond forcibly strips a woman naked in The Living Daylights they praise it as dark and flemingesque.

    Bond isn't doing that for his own titillation though (and say whatever you will about Bond needing Pussy on his side, he wants to have sex with her regardless) and while I certainly wouldn't say BOND is respectful to the woman in that moment, I don't think the FILM is disrespecting her.
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 14,870
    Pretty solid top ten there @Birdleson . Couple of changes I'd make personally, but your top five are outstanding. ^:)^
    I'm in the same boat, I'll re-evaluate my ranking after I've seen NTTD...next month! :((
  • Posts: 503
    Birdleson wrote: »
    Thanks @Benny . I just got an IMAX ticket for tomorrow night. Don't come on here anymore. Both @Creasy47 and I have come across some major spoilers. Stay away.
    That's unfortunate...oh the joys of being a moderator when you have to read spoiler threads. Or were you spoiled on this thread by that accidental comment on the last page?
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