SPECTRE: Thomas Newman is Back! (appreciation topic)

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    My absolute favourite track of the entire album is "Safe House":



    My review of this particular track: This is a perfect combination of some tongue-in-cheek, cheesy, but happy music (like we heard in his scores for "Towelhead" and "Wall*E"), with thrilling Bond-esque music that enhances mystery, espionage and suspense (think about Barry's track "Return To Scaramanga's Fun House") and opens up into one hell of a climax.

    It has everything really. Thomas Newman's own theme/melody, that he composed specifically for "SPECTRE" (also heard on the track "Crows Klinik"), injects the film with both fun and mystery. A funny reference to the good old "Cuckoo!" hide-and-seek whistle that we grew up with as a kid makes us mellow down a bit;-). And then this wonderful climax kicks in in which he obviously uses some cues from Monty Norman's James Bond Theme.

    I think Thomas Newman is especially good here with his electronic music. It enhances rhytmn, by using electronic drums/percussion, with lovely guitar riffs, simple piano riffs and lush strings.


    By the way, I have to say something, and perhaps that's clouding my judgement a bit. You know, before Sam Mendes came onboard the Bond wagon, I was already a big fan of both Sam Mendes and Thomas Newman. I still love "American Beauty" as much as when I saw it in cinema for the first time in 1999. It's a movie that shows all the minor suburbian problems in a 1990's world where there was so little political worries. Thomas Newman knew how to give a sound to these careless 1990's.

    So call me a big Sam Mendes-fan and Thomas Newman'-fan. Now what happens if your other fandom, James Bond, gets infused with that. Indeed, it's a movie lover's wet dream :-). I was so excited when Sam Mendes and Thomas Newman joined the Bond family. And I still am happy. Overjoyed really.

    So pardon me if my reviews sound a bit....over-positive sometimes ;-).
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    My absolute favourite track of the entire album is "Safe House":



    My review of this particular track: This is a perfect combination of some tongue-in-cheek, cheesy, but happy music (like we heard in his scores for "Towelhead" and "Wall*E"), with thrilling Bond-esque music that enhances mystery, espionage and suspense (think about Barry's track "Return To Scaramanga's Fun House") and opens up into one hell of a climax.

    It has everything really. Thomas Newman's own theme/melody, that he composed specifically for "SPECTRE" (also heard on the track "Crows Klinik"), injects the film with both fun and mystery. A funny reference to the good old "Cuckoo!" hide-and-seek whistle that we grew up with as a kid makes us mellow down a bit;-). And then this wonderful climax kicks in in which he obviously uses some cues from Monty Norman's James Bond Theme.

    I think Thomas Newman is especially good here with his electronic music. It enhances rhytmn, by using electronic drums/percussion, with lovely guitar riffs, simple piano riffs and lush strings.


    By the way, I have to say something, and perhaps that's clouding my judgement a bit. You know, before Sam Mendes came onboard the Bond wagon, I was already a big fan of both Sam Mendes and Thomas Newman. I still love "American Beauty" as much as when I saw it in cinema for the first time in 1999. It's a movie that shows all the minor suburbian problems in a 1990's world where there was so little political worries. Thomas Newman knew how to give a sound to these careless 1990's.

    So call me a big Sam Mendes-fan and Thomas Newman'-fan. Now what happens if your other fandom, James Bond, gets infused with that. Indeed, it's a movie lover's wet dream :-). I was so excited when Sam Mendes and Thomas Newman joined the Bond family. And I still am happy. Overjoyed really.

    So pardon me if my reviews sound a bit....over-positive sometimes ;-).

    Not at all, it is great to hear some enthusiasm for a change! we have enough negativity around here.
    Thomas Newman was nominated 14 times for an oscar, he is a master of his craft so you would think he knows what he is doing, maybe some don't agree with his direction but thats fine. I for one love his soundtrack and embrace a new flavor. His music is very... Stylish, and he actually made me buy OST cds again with his Bond scores
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited October 2015 Posts: 5,185
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    00Agent wrote: »
    My absolute favourite track of the entire album is "Safe House":



    My review of this particular track: This is a perfect combination of some tongue-in-cheek, cheesy, but happy music (like we heard in his scores for "Towelhead" and "Wall*E"), with thrilling Bond-esque music that enhances mystery, espionage and suspense (think about Barry's track "Return To Scaramanga's Fun House") and opens up into one hell of a climax.

    It has everything really. Thomas Newman's own theme/melody, that he composed specifically for "SPECTRE" (also heard on the track "Crows Klinik"), injects the film with both fun and mystery. A funny reference to the good old "Cuckoo!" hide-and-seek whistle that we grew up with as a kid makes us mellow down a bit;-). And then this wonderful climax kicks in in which he obviously uses some cues from Monty Norman's James Bond Theme.

    I think Thomas Newman is especially good here with his electronic music. It enhances rhytmn, by using electronic drums/percussion, with lovely guitar riffs, simple piano riffs and lush strings.


    By the way, I have to say something, and perhaps that's clouding my judgement a bit. You know, before Sam Mendes came onboard the Bond wagon, I was already a big fan of both Sam Mendes and Thomas Newman. I still love "American Beauty" as much as when I saw it in cinema for the first time in 1999. It's a movie that shows all the minor suburbian problems in a 1990's world where there was so little political worries. Thomas Newman knew how to give a sound to these careless 1990's.

    So call me a big Sam Mendes-fan and Thomas Newman'-fan. Now what happens if your other fandom, James Bond, gets infused with that. Indeed, it's a movie lover's wet dream :-). I was so excited when Sam Mendes and Thomas Newman joined the Bond family. And I still am happy. Overjoyed really.

    So pardon me if my reviews sound a bit....over-positive sometimes ;-).

    Not at all, it is great to hear some enthusiasm for a change! we have enough negativity around here.
    Thomas Newman was nominated 14 times for an oscar, he is a master of his craft so you would think he knows what he is doing, maybe some don't agree with his direction but thats fine. I for one love his soundtrack and embrace a new flavor. His music is very... Stylish, and he actually made me buy OST cds again with his Bond scores

    Thanks @00Agent ;-). And welcome to the forum. I haven't seen you around here before :-). I too think Newman brought a sophistication and nuanced style and suaveness to the franchise that I didn't quite fel with David Arnold. For me his scores were great on first listen, but as a lover of classical music one actually loves re-listens much more. And that too is a quality.
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
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    I too think Newman brought a sophistication and nuanced style and suaveness to the franchise that I didn't quite fel with David Arnold. For me his scores were great on first listen, but as a lover of classical music one actually loves re-listens much more. And that too is a quality.

    I could not agree more. Arnold was doing a good job, but there was nothing really sticking out about his score for me. I can't even tell you why. The only Score of his that was memorable to me was Casino Royale, i think that was his best work. It will be interesting to see who will be doing the soundtracks in the future
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Anyone know when it'll be available on Spotify in North America?
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 11,119
    jake24 wrote: »
    Anyone know when it'll be available on Spotify in North America?

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    Once downloaded, you will have your own good-old physical .mp3's, .flac's or .m4a's again. It's your own, and you don't need that big internal memory-burden anymore that Spotify or iTunes will cause to your hardrive. I severely dislike Spotify, as it's streaming stuff, constantly interfered by commercials.
  • Posts: 11,119
    My absolute favourite track of the entire album is "Safe House":



    My review of this particular track: This is a perfect combination of some tongue-in-cheek, cheesy, but happy music (like we heard in his scores for "Towelhead" and "Wall*E"), with thrilling Bond-esque music that enhances mystery, espionage and suspense (think about Barry's track "Return To Scaramanga's Fun House") and opens up into one hell of a climax.

    It has everything really. Thomas Newman's own theme/melody, that he composed specifically for "SPECTRE" (also heard on the track "Crows Klinik"), injects the film with both fun and mystery. A funny reference to the good old "Cuckoo!" hide-and-seek whistle that we grew up with as a kid makes us mellow down a bit;-). And then this wonderful climax kicks in in which he obviously uses some cues from Monty Norman's James Bond Theme.

    I think Thomas Newman is especially good here with his electronic music. It enhances rhytmn, by using electronic drums/percussion, with lovely guitar riffs, simple piano riffs and lush strings.


    By the way, I have to say something, and perhaps that's clouding my judgement a bit. You know, before Sam Mendes came onboard the Bond wagon, I was already a big fan of both Sam Mendes and Thomas Newman. I still love "American Beauty" as much as when I saw it in cinema for the first time in 1999. It's a movie that shows all the minor suburbian problems in a 1990's world where there was so little political worries. Thomas Newman knew how to give a sound to these careless 1990's.

    So call me a big Sam Mendes-fan and Thomas Newman'-fan. Now what happens if your other fandom, James Bond, gets infused with that. Indeed, it's a movie lover's wet dream :-). I was so excited when Sam Mendes and Thomas Newman joined the Bond family. And I still am happy. Overjoyed really.

    So pardon me if my reviews sound a bit....over-positive sometimes ;-).

    Can't get enough of this track :-). So...so "SPECTRE"-esque :-P.
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    00Agent wrote: »
    Arnold was doing a good job, but there was nothing really sticking out about his score for me.
    I feel the same way about what Thomas Newman has done so far here.
    Nothing Newman has done so far outperforms Arnold, IMO, who put his heart and soul into delivering great scores. Take 'Night of the Opera' from the QoS soundtrack, the 'Vesper'-theme and 'City of lovers' from CR, 'Diamonds' and 'Jinx Jordan' from DAD, most of the TND score and his rendition of the Bond theme for example. "Nothing sticking out"? To each his own, I guess.
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 157
    Arnold's Bond music in general just didn't float my boat, with the exception of the more ambient-experimental moments from QoS. His themes for Vesper, Solange and Jinx took a paint by numbers approach to approximating Barry yet failed to capture that almost indefinable quality his scores had. That sense of yearning and unfulfilled desires. Newman without aping Barry comes closer, IMO, as did Eric Serra in his underrated love theme for GE.

  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I'm in the minority it appears, but I actually enjoy Serra's score aswell.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I love Serra's score as well. It's what got me into Bond in the first place. Though my favorite track wasn't done by Serra himself.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I dislike that track, it doesn't feel like it belongs in the film and the way it's structured is really strange in parts like in the beginning.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I love it. It's what in a good Bond score. lots of Bond theme and something uplifting and exciting.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited October 2015 Posts: 8,025
    I actually prefer the unused Serra cue. I like it's unique and quirky take on the theme and fits better with the mood of the scene and the rest of the film.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I actually prefer the unused Serra cue. I like it's unique and quirky take on the theme and fits better with the mood of the scene and the rest of the film.
    I enjoy Both tracks actually. I have them on my Bond "Driving Tunes" mixed CD. ;)
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    00Agent wrote: »
    My absolute favourite track of the entire album is "Safe House":



    My review of this particular track: This is a perfect combination of some tongue-in-cheek, cheesy, but happy music (like we heard in his scores for "Towelhead" and "Wall*E"), with thrilling Bond-esque music that enhances mystery, espionage and suspense (think about Barry's track "Return To Scaramanga's Fun House") and opens up into one hell of a climax.

    It has everything really. Thomas Newman's own theme/melody, that he composed specifically for "SPECTRE" (also heard on the track "Crows Klinik"), injects the film with both fun and mystery. A funny reference to the good old "Cuckoo!" hide-and-seek whistle that we grew up with as a kid makes us mellow down a bit;-). And then this wonderful climax kicks in in which he obviously uses some cues from Monty Norman's James Bond Theme.

    I think Thomas Newman is especially good here with his electronic music. It enhances rhytmn, by using electronic drums/percussion, with lovely guitar riffs, simple piano riffs and lush strings.


    By the way, I have to say something, and perhaps that's clouding my judgement a bit. You know, before Sam Mendes came onboard the Bond wagon, I was already a big fan of both Sam Mendes and Thomas Newman. I still love "American Beauty" as much as when I saw it in cinema for the first time in 1999. It's a movie that shows all the minor suburbian problems in a 1990's world where there was so little political worries. Thomas Newman knew how to give a sound to these careless 1990's.

    So call me a big Sam Mendes-fan and Thomas Newman'-fan. Now what happens if your other fandom, James Bond, gets infused with that. Indeed, it's a movie lover's wet dream :-). I was so excited when Sam Mendes and Thomas Newman joined the Bond family. And I still am happy. Overjoyed really.

    So pardon me if my reviews sound a bit....over-positive sometimes ;-).

    Not at all, it is great to hear some enthusiasm for a change! we have enough negativity around here.
    Thomas Newman was nominated 14 times for an oscar, he is a master of his craft so you would think he knows what he is doing, maybe some don't agree with his direction but thats fine. I for one love his soundtrack and embrace a new flavor. His music is very... Stylish, and he actually made me buy OST cds again with his Bond scores

    Indeed. The SF OST was brilliant.

    I am now listening to leaked material from SP and am liking what I'm hearing.
  • Posts: 11,119
    I feel a bit lonely in this topic hehe :-P.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Well let me chime in. I love this cue. It reuses SF but is 'amped up' considerably with Bondian flavour.

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    I especially like the original "SPECTRE"-cues that Newman specifically composed for this film. They are heard in these three tracks:

    "Crows Klinik":


    "Secret Room":


    "Safe House":


    I love these tracks. They combine a certain fun with the mystery of espionage. Simply great espionage tracks.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Crows Klinik can be heard in two of the 30-second clips from Sony. But something tells me that the music in those will be different in the final film.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2015 Posts: 23,883
    I didn't even notice that these 3 tracks shared the same cue. Now that I listen to them more carefully, it's quite obvious. I like it. Similar to New Digs but a little more low key.

    I think Newman actually is the anti-Arnold for me. While I found Arnold too bombastic, loud and unmelodic, I find Newman way too refined, mellow and subtle, so much so that I actually miss out on a lot of what he's doing (and there's a lot of articulate finesse in his scores....it's just lost on a lot of people, myself included). Arnold was a thundering painful hammer to my ear for the most part........Newman is a fine small needle....so delicate that he isn't making enough of an impact in many cases..

    Having said that for the most part I've liked what he's done for the last two scores. Even though it's not what I ideally want for Bond, there are new sounds, and I like that from any composer.

    Most importantly, I don't find that he 'competes' with the scenery, but rather supports it. That's important to me. That was a criticism I had of the Man From Uncle score, where I felt Pemberton was showboating. Like Joe Kraemer on MI-RN, I think Newman supports the accompanying scenes, rather than compete with them. That's to be commended.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    That's why I find Newman's work more rewarding when relistening. I catch on on things I may not have caught the first time and it's always a new experience.
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Crows Klinik can be heard in two of the 30-second clips from Sony. But something tells me that the music in those will be different in the final film.

    Can confirm it's the same. The two 30-second clips ("Hotel" and "Future") both use "Secret Room" actually, which makes sense as actually in the film the scenes come one after another.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    antovolk wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Crows Klinik can be heard in two of the 30-second clips from Sony. But something tells me that the music in those will be different in the final film.

    Can confirm it's the same. The two 30-second clips ("Hotel" and "Future") both use "Secret Room" actually, which makes sense as actually in the film the scenes come one after another.

    :D
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    That's why I find Newman's work more rewarding when relistening. I catch on on things I may not have caught the first time and it's always a new experience.

    Exactly. Exactly.

    Sadly, that's an aspect most Bond fans don't really like :-). It has to be perfect on first listen :-).

    Part of my love for Thomas Newman also comes from previous work he did. Always been a big fan of this track from Newman. Now this is music I would have loved to hear in "Casino Royale":
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    That's why I find Newman's work more rewarding when relistening. I catch on on things I may not have caught the first time and it's always a new experience.

    Exactly. Exactly.

    Sadly, that's an aspect most Bond fans don't really like :-). It has to be perfect on first listen :-).

    Part of my love for Thomas Newman also comes from previous work he did. Always been a big fan of this track from Newman. Now this is music I would have loved to hear in "Casino Royale":

    Great movie
  • 00Agent00Agent Any man who drinks Dom Perignon '52 can't be all bad.
    edited October 2015 Posts: 5,185
    The most beutiful track for me on Spectre is 'Donna Lucia'


    The elegance and beauty of it gives me goosebumps every time, and for me this is also a very important aspect of Bond Music.

    Another cue that is one of my all time favorites is Eric Serra - We share the same passions. So emotional, It perfectly scored the scene in which Brosnan really became Bond, when we saw him in his tux in the casino with Xenia for the fist time. Timeless Music
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Donna Lucia is an excellent track. First class.

    It should have been used more often. Same with Severine from SF.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    "Madeline" is really growing on me. A beautiful track.
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