Bond 24 to CONTINUE to explore Bond's human side

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edited March 2013 in SPECTRE News & Spoilers Posts: 11,139
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/03/09/screenwriter-john-logan-gives-a-bond-24-update

Bond 24 to explore Bond's human side

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Expect James Bond 24 to adhere to the sort of exploration of 007's emotional character that Skyfall embraced.

Skyfall screenwriter John Logan wouldn't divulge plot details about the next Bond movie he's writing, but he did tell The Financial Times the sequel will once again lean on Bond creator Ian Fleming's more human interpretation of the character.

“Fleming’s courage in showing Bond’s fear and vulnerability and depression was really interesting and something that a modern audience can accept,” said Logan. “I think Skyfall demonstrated that they want more layers to that character. And those are the layers that Fleming wrote.”

Logan is reuniting with Skyfall cast members Judi Dench and Ben Whishaw for his new play Peter and Alice, which opens this month in London's West End. The play chronicles a real-life meeting between Alice Liddell Hargreaves and Peter Llewellyn Davies, the respective inspirations for Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan.


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  • edited March 2013 Posts: 1,215
    I'm absolutely thrilled that we're continuing in this direction! Behind all the fun and adventure, it's the sort of damaged man underneath that keeps me coming back for more. :D
  • Posts: 2,081
    Oh goodie. Sounds good to me. :D
  • Posts: 9,825
    Cool
  • Posts: 1,492
    I'm absolutely thrilled that we're continuing in this direction! Behind all the fun and adventure, it's the sort of damaged man underneath that keeps me coming back for more. :D

    Same here. Very happy the direction the Bonds are going in.

  • Posts: 1,548
    as long as Guy Ritchie isn't allowed anywhere near this B24 should be fine
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 11,189
    I'm going to see Peter and Alice next month :D

    Surely the title of the thread should also say "continue to...".
  • Posts: 2,081
    I guess I can put this one here, too...
    http://www.takeonecff.com/2013/interview-with-john-logan

    some excerpts:

    He describes SKYFALL as “the single best experience I’ve had on a movie.”

    Did he find writing the film – which is a sequel after all – a restrictive experience, working within a pre-defined formula and template? “I thought I might, but not at all. Because one of the reasons why it was such a joyous experience is that there were so many newbies doing it: Sam Mendes, Roger Deakins, Thomas Newton, people who had never done a Bond before, plus a whole new cast: bringing in a new M, a new Moneypenny, a new Q; we were all just really excited about it. I never had the sense that you have to put all the toys back in to the toy box when you’re done, and clearly we didn’t. The reason I think Bond has been going for 50 years is that the producers understand it has to reinvent itself boldly, and boldly is the key word. The producers were afraid of nothing.”

    Could he have done the same for Roger Moore’s era? “I don’t know. If you look at the difference between MOONRAKER and FOR YOUR EYES ONLY, they are so different in tone. Perhaps the range isn’t as broad, but there are great shifts in tone between all those movies, and certainly between Bonds, when you go from Roger Moore to Tim Dalton, and Dalton to Pierce Brosnan, and Brosnan to Daniel Craig, you get the big seismic shifts in the franchise and it’s a great opportunity to reinvent the character for the particular zeitgeist.”

    Is there now an opportunity to rejuvenate the character again after SKYFALL? “We’ll see”, he smiles knowingly. As he’s signed up to write the next two Bond films, contractual obligations doubtless prevent him from saying anything more.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    I'm going to see Peter and Alice next month :D

    Surely the title of the thread should also say "continue to...".

    Done ;-)
  • Posts: 908
    doubleoego wrote:
    http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/03/09/screenwriter-john-logan-gives-a-bond-24-update

    Bond 24 to explore Bond's human side

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    Expect James Bond 24 to adhere to the sort of exploration of 007's emotional character that Skyfall embraced.

    Skyfall screenwriter John Logan wouldn't divulge plot details about the next Bond movie he's writing, but he did tell The Financial Times the sequel will once again lean on Bond creator Ian Fleming's more human interpretation of the character.

    “Fleming’s courage in showing Bond’s fear and vulnerability and depression was really interesting and something that a modern audience can accept,” said Logan. “I think Skyfall demonstrated that they want more layers to that character. And those are the layers that Fleming wrote.”

    Logan is reuniting with Skyfall cast members Judi Dench and Ben Whishaw for his new play Peter and Alice, which opens this month in London's West End. The play chronicles a real-life meeting between Alice Liddell Hargreaves and Peter Llewellyn Davies, the respective inspirations for Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan.


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    This confirms ALL of my largest fears after the FINANCIAL Success of SF. Wow, that's something to Look forward to. The Return of old Grumpy, weeping and failing his Way through "My Shrink, his Couch and I" or some other Title along these Lines!
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 2,081
    ...and that Financial Times article:
    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/1c359f20-864d-11e2-ad73-00144feabdc0.html#axzz2N2uKKfci

    Excerpts:

    “Film is very linear,” he explains. “Abstraction in cinema is very difficult to do in ways that aren’t clichéd, whereas on stage you can do that better than anything. Film is very visual: you’re always looking for visual metaphors to tell emotional stories. So in Skyfall , for example, the bulldog that sits on M’s desk became a visual metaphor for M and then it pays off at the end when Bond gets it. Theatre can be about language – it can only be about language, and [yet still] be riveting.

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    ...his first film was 1999’s Any Given Sunday, directed by Oliver Stone. There was, he says, a steep learning curve.
    “I’d written a speech and he [Stone] said, ‘Al Pacino could give you that speech in a look.’ And he was absolutely right. Part of my education was realising when to let the actor, the cinematographer and the director do the job. Ingmar Bergman said ‘build your films on faces’, and that’s exactly what movies can do. You don’t need a lot when you have Daniel Craig’s eyes.”

    Ah yes, Mr Bond. When I meet Logan, he is about to be whisked away on a 007 assignment: he is writing the next two films and has to zip off for a meeting. One suspects that not even the sort of creative torture endured by Bond could prise plot details from him, but he can say that he hopes to build on Skyfall in examining the complexities of Bond’s character.
    “Fleming’s courage in showing Bond’s fear and vulnerability and depression was really interesting and something that a modern audience can accept,” he says. “I think Skyfall demonstrated that they want more layers to that character. And those are the layers that Fleming wrote.”


  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Thanks for the links @Tuulia.
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    Am I the only one who doesn't want to learn too much about Bond's past?

    I call it 'Boba Fett syndrome' Take a character who's unbelievably cool and then learn every detail about him; suddenly he's not so cool.
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 12,837
    Doesn't surprise me. I'm fine with Bonds human side being explored but I hope they strike a nice balance between character and story.

    I loved SF but I thought the story suffered because the film was pretty much entirely character focused.

    I hope this doesn't mean more MI6 though, I'm getting a bit tired of the "this time it's personal" shtick involving them now. It's great having a more human Bond but can the more human Bond go on a mission without his obvious earpiece or M tagging along?
    Am I the only one who doesn't want to learn too much about Bond's past?

    I agree, I think there should always be a bit of a mystery surrounding Bond. I don't think Skyfall showed too much though and showing Bond's human side doesn't necessarily mean his past.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Am I the only one who doesn't want to learn too much about Bond's past?

    I call it 'Boba Fett syndrome' Take a character who's unbelievably cool and then learn every detail about him; suddenly he's not so cool.

    There's nothing to suggest Bond's past is going to be delved into. They covered all that needs to be covered in SF and even then they didn't linger on it.

  • Posts: 1,492
    Making Bond more interesting and three dimensional doesn't just mean delving into his past. What motivates him now?
  • actonsteve wrote:
    Making Bond more interesting and three dimensional doesn't just mean delving into his past. What motivates him now?

    Agreed. Nowhere does it say that they will be delving into his past...*sigh*...



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    Sue me, I had just woken up. ;)
  • Posts: 908
    Am I the only one who doesn't want to learn too much about Bond's past?

    I call it 'Boba Fett syndrome' Take a character who's unbelievably cool and then learn every detail about him; suddenly he's not so cool.

    "Boba Fett syndrome" - Very,very well put. I guess i'm going to use that Expression myself in the Future.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    This ties in with what Barbara Broccoli said the plan was with Craig and the next two films. Great to hear, hopefully they explore the most interesting sides.
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 11,425
    If it's done well then I have no problem with it. I am very glad that Purvis and Wade are completely out of the picture and just have to be hopeful that Logan knows what he's doing. I like his comments about MR and FYEO and his appreciation for the shifts in tone that are possible within the series. My main concern is that the underlying plot is a little more coherent and fully resolved than SF which for me was a throwback to the Brosnan era in terms of plot devices and coherency. I know Logan can write fine dialogue, so that aspect is covered, and if he has a decent story behind it all then there is no reason it cannot be very good.
  • RC7RC7
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    actonsteve wrote:
    What motivates him now?

    Agree. This is the big question and I'm really interested to see how Logan answers it. It seems like the character direction will be rooted in Fleming so I can't imagine he'll go far wrong.

  • Posts: 172
    Casino Royale was great.
    Quantum of Solace was almost good.
    Skyfall was crap.
    What will be in next film?..
  • Posts: 163
    I also think Bond as a person has a bit of mystery behind him. He is also ruthless when he needs to be: "That's a Smith and Wesson, and you've had your six" kind. Let us not have purely character-centric film, and this aspect of SF was not attractive to me- I read Bond novels first in 1958, saw Dr No in the big screen in 1962, and I want that Bond.
  • Posts: 352
    I want to see a scene where Bond is popping pills repeatedly.
  • Posts: 4,813
    I want to see a scene where Bond is popping pills repeatedly.

    Skyfall sort of had a scene like that- and a great missed opportunity to show him smoking...
  • Posts: 12,511
    I am just wanting more concrete info for Bond 24 like a release date?!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    RogueAgent wrote:
    I am just wanting more concrete info for Bond 24 like a release date?!

    It'll be a good while before we figure all of that out.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I'm confident we'll get an October 2014 release date so I'm not concerned that much BUT I just want to know who'll be directing this.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    I want to see a scene where Bond is popping pills repeatedly.

    Skyfall sort of had a scene like that- and a great missed opportunity to show him smoking...

    Interesting point. SF shows a Bond who knocks back pills and booze - what is it Silva says 'possible acohol addiction and substance abuse'?

    So its fine to suggest Bond is an alcoholic and a drug abuser but its still not on to show him smoking?

    I can understand that in the Brozza films which were lightweight fluff that they didnt want kids copying Bond but who would want to be DCs Bond? He has an awful time of it and should be allowed to light one up if it helps him relax from all the bereavement, injuries and depression.

    How cool would the opening to Bond 24 be if the camera shows a guy lighting up and then pans up to DC with a fag in his gob saying 'Bond, James Bond'?
  • edited March 2013 Posts: 612
    How cool would the opening to Bond 24 be if the camera shows a guy lighting up and then pans up to DC with a fag in his gob saying 'Bond, James Bond'?
    I don't really understand the image of smoking. I just think people are kind of dumb doing it - there so much proof out there that it's horrible for you. I'd rather see him with a naked woman. Sex is good cardio.

    I think that the best Bond films use the Fleming books as their source. Looks like Bond 24 is headed in the right direction.

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