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Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny (30th June 2023)

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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Looks like young Indy…
  • Mr_BeachMr_Beach
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    @mtm I have never heard anyone describing Crusade and Crystal Skulls as Raiders remakes.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    Second unit filming has begun: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9657127/Indiana-Jones-5-shoots-scenes-dead-night-North-Yorkshire-Moors.html

    I wasn’t sure but the photos a bit further down of the guy wearing the mask on the bike do look a lot like young Ford, don’t they?
    Thanks for sharing! Great to see!
    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    @mtm I have never heard anyone describing Crusade and Crystal Skulls as Raiders remakes.

    Really? I mean they all start in the same place, have him racing against an army, third act vehicle chase, same ending (the thing they sought kills the baddie)... compare with Temple and how that doesn’t do the same things.
  • Mr_BeachMr_Beach
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    mtm wrote: »
    Really? I mean they all start in the same place, have him racing against an army, third act vehicle chase, same ending (the thing they sought kills the baddie)... compare with Temple and how that doesn’t do the same things.

    Come on! That's like saying every Bond film is a remake of Dr No.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Really? I mean they all start in the same place, have him racing against an army, third act vehicle chase, same ending (the thing they sought kills the baddie)... compare with Temple and how that doesn’t do the same things.

    Come on! That's like saying every Bond film is a remake of Dr No.

    Well it’s like saying Spy Who Loved Me is a remake of You Only Live Twice, and that’s not an uncommon statement.
    There’s no reason Indy has to battle an army (usually Nazis) in a race to find treasure that kills the person that uses it. That’s why Temple is a good sequel: it puts him in a different story.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    Second unit filming has begun: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9657127/Indiana-Jones-5-shoots-scenes-dead-night-North-Yorkshire-Moors.html


    Thanks for this. Exciting times.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Apparently Mads has been spotted in Newcastle at a restaurant so he’s clearly involved in this bit of filming- no massive surprise there I guess!
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    We’ll see a younger version of Mads in what’s probably there pre title sequence.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Kicking: Impossible
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    Mr_Beach wrote: »
    Second unit filming has begun: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9657127/Indiana-Jones-5-shoots-scenes-dead-night-North-Yorkshire-Moors.html
    The hair on that mask isn't grey. If that's meant to be Harrison Ford, it hints at a flashback as talos7 suggests.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    For certain shots, particularly long shots , particularly in night time settings , a well made mask alone can sell the shot .

    I expect most of the “young Indy” shots y to o be with a de-aged Harrison Ford.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited June 2021 Posts: 5,869
    I mean it has to be a flashback cause of the Nazis right?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Not necessarily a flashback but possibly a PTS, set in the 40’s that sets up the events in the 60’s
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Not necessarily a flashback but possibly a PTS, set in the 40’s that sets up the events in the 60’s
    Yes definitely. I mean, it makes sense. Every Indiana Jones film has had its own pre-title sequence I believe, with Last Crusade's being a "flashback". I can't remember if Crystal Skull had one?

    Also will be interesting to see which past adventure this sequence is set near.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Well Crusade is closest but it’s still going to be a couple of years before. I’m not sure if there have been many non-film stories set during the war- I think there was a Golden Fleece comic but that may have been about it- Spear of Destiny too maybe? And we know he was in the OSS in the war of course.
  • Matt007Matt007
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    I don’t think I’ve been been more disappointed in a theatre than watching Crystal Skull. I’m a huge Indy fan, and I remember turning to my wife just after the third waterfall drop and saying “this is shite”.

    I dislike almost everything about it, the humour, the lack of balls, Marion, the cgi green screen forest chase. Yuck. Terrible
  • ThrasosThrasos
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    mtm wrote: »
    I was watching the opening of Last Crusade this morning: it seems like he actually is stealing that cross from the rightful owner, is that wrong?
    You're probably right, since he took it by force. However, Indy had a point too, that it belongs in a museum, it originally belonged to Coronado and Panama Hat found it, and Indy sees its higher historical value as an artifact rather than with a price tag. And I guess if you're out in the middle of the ocean and can take it, and you're in a movie....

    The back story is, supposedly adult Indy tracked down Panama Hat to Portugal after getting a tip from a guy who worked for Panama Hat. Indy sneaks onto the ship and takes the cross from a safe. Panama Hat had struggled during the Depression and wanted to offload the cross for dough. A man said he'd buy it--he was suspected of being Walter Donovan--but said he'd only buy it if Indy was dead or killed. So on the ship, Indy is caught and realizes he was set up--as Admiral Ackbar said, it's a trap! And we know what happened after that.
  • Mr_BeachMr_Beach
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    Cinematographer Phedon Papamichael has arrived in Northern England according to his most recent instagram story.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Thrasos wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I was watching the opening of Last Crusade this morning: it seems like he actually is stealing that cross from the rightful owner, is that wrong?
    You're probably right, since he took it by force. However, Indy had a point too, that it belongs in a museum, it originally belonged to Coronado and Panama Hat found it, and Indy sees its higher historical value as an artifact rather than with a price tag. And I guess if you're out in the middle of the ocean and can take it, and you're in a movie....

    The back story is, supposedly adult Indy tracked down Panama Hat to Portugal after getting a tip from a guy who worked for Panama Hat. Indy sneaks onto the ship and takes the cross from a safe. Panama Hat had struggled during the Depression and wanted to offload the cross for dough. A man said he'd buy it--he was suspected of being Walter Donovan--but said he'd only buy it if Indy was dead or killed. So on the ship, Indy is caught and realizes he was set up--as Admiral Ackbar said, it's a trap! And we know what happened after that.

    Ah okay, what’s that from?
    It does seem that the police are on Panama’s side in the young Indy bit -and we’ve no reason to think they’re wrong- and then in the Portugal bit the boat is actually called the Coronado, which would seem to imply that Panama Hat is the rightful owner!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    What if they’re actually trying to make the whole film set in the 1940s and just have Ford de-aged completely?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    What if they’re actually trying to make the whole film set in the 1940s and just have Ford de-aged completely?

    It’s not impossible (after all, Captain Marvel did it with Sam Jackson; plus quite a bit of Temple of Doom was done with stunt doubles for Indy because Ford was injured), but Mangold did also say a couple of months ago that ‘all of the films’ he was working on at that point were set in the 60s. My money would be on this just being the opening teaser sequence, but I guess we’ll see.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    mtm wrote: »
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    What if they’re actually trying to make the whole film set in the 1940s and just have Ford de-aged completely?

    It’s not impossible (after all, Captain Marvel did it with Sam Jackson; plus quite a bit of Temple of Doom was done with stunt doubles for Indy because Ford was injured), but Mangold did also say a couple of months ago that ‘all of the films’ he was working on at that point were set in the 60s. My money would be on this just being the opening teaser sequence, but I guess we’ll see.

    I think the 40’s era will be limited to the PTS.
    We’ll see.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I only wonder because there’s been a big push to de-aging in films. First it was cameos in Marvel films. Then Captain Marvel expanded that with Samuel L Jackson having an extended role. Gemini Man featured a CGI young Will Smith very extensively. The Irishman did it for the first half of the film.

    So I wonder if LucasFilm thinks they can attempt to feature a de-aged Harrison Ford as the star of the film. Would be something of a breakthrough. Actors not only being able to reprise old characters but reprise them as they were decades ago.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I only wonder because there’s been a big push to de-aging in films. First it was cameos in Marvel films. Then Captain Marvel expanded that with Samuel L Jackson having an extended role. Gemini Man featured a CGI young Will Smith very extensively. The Irishman did it for the first half of the film.

    So I wonder if LucasFilm thinks they can attempt to feature a de-aged Harrison Ford as the star of the film. Would be something of a breakthrough. Actors not only being able to reprise old characters but reprise them as they were decades ago.

    Lucasfilm even brought Peter Cushing back from the dead! I wouldn’t rule it out, but if this is really HF’s last time, I would expect more closure, with him being older, and with some characters coming back.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Maybe he’ll get to bookend the film as old Indy like on that TV show.
  • Mr_BeachMr_Beach
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    Most of the story will take place in the 1960s. It has already been pretty much confirmed by director James Mangold.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    So I wonder if LucasFilm thinks they can attempt to feature a de-aged Harrison Ford as the star of the film. Would be something of a breakthrough. Actors not only being able to reprise old characters but reprise them as they were decades ago.
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Lucasfilm even brought Peter Cushing back from the dead! I wouldn’t rule it out, but if this is really HF’s last time, I would expect more closure, with him being older, and with some characters coming back.

    Yes and potentially postumously, as mentioned.

  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    It's a good job he wears a hat that causes a lot of shadow haha :D
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I only wonder because there’s been a big push to de-aging in films. First it was cameos in Marvel films. Then Captain Marvel expanded that with Samuel L Jackson having an extended role. Gemini Man featured a CGI young Will Smith very extensively. The Irishman did it for the first half of the film.

    So I wonder if LucasFilm thinks they can attempt to feature a de-aged Harrison Ford as the star of the film. Would be something of a breakthrough. Actors not only being able to reprise old characters but reprise them as they were decades ago.

    It’s only a matter of time, one would imagine. I don’t feel like it’s this time, but who knows.
    The Cap Marvel one was very good, Gemini Man used a 3D model for young Smith rather than just de-ageing him and I thought that looked really ropey.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited June 2021 Posts: 4,119
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I only wonder because there’s been a big push to de-aging in films. First it was cameos in Marvel films. Then Captain Marvel expanded that with Samuel L Jackson having an extended role. Gemini Man featured a CGI young Will Smith very extensively. The Irishman did it for the first half of the film.

    So I wonder if LucasFilm thinks they can attempt to feature a de-aged Harrison Ford as the star of the film. Would be something of a breakthrough. Actors not only being able to reprise old characters but reprise them as they were decades ago.

    I heard that some news that they were going to bring James Dean like that for a movie soon.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/afm-james-dean-reborn-cgi-vietnam-war-action-drama-1252703/

    Quite a few people aren’t happy with it.
  • kentonkenton
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    I'm excited to see what they come up with -- I think it will be tied to some Excaliburian legend
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